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I for one am excited for the next icon redesign!
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https://twitter.com/withoutboats/status/1217558588857544704
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Aug 11, 2020 17:27
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250 people? How many are left? A thousand?
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Aug 11, 2020 17:38
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wooger posted:Mozilla lay off 250 staff: https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2020/08/11/changing-world-changing-mozilla/ TBH, I'd be down with this if it's just paid email, cloud storage, VPN, etc.
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Aug 11, 2020 17:42
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Fame Douglas posted:I for one am excited for the next icon redesign! Im really looking forward to when they put two menu items together into one inconvenient sub-menu, adding additional steps!
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Aug 11, 2020 19:03
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https://twitter.com/MichalPurzynski/status/1293220570885062657 Seems bad.
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Aug 11, 2020 20:24
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Insanite posted:TBH, I'd be down with this if it's just paid email, cloud storage, VPN, etc. This seems potentially fine, though there are competent versions of each already in existence. What are they bringing to the table, given they have no proven competence in cloud services? They need to adjust thier structure to allow people to donate, with the money earmarked to go to Firefox dev only. As is, the browser is part of Mozilla Corporation, so no way to support it. The foundation, which you can donate to is purely faffing around with campaigning and marketing poo poo and nothing of value. Internet freedom is good, but allowing the only viable browser not owned by a megacorp to whither and die is criminal, and makes the former impossible.
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Aug 11, 2020 20:52
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I don't know about you, but I'd totally pay for Firefox. They could have their normal free version, and also maybe have a paid version with extra features or whatever. Or even just to donate to the browser itself. That's the main issue here. I specifically want to contribute to the development of the browser, not some other initiative.
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Aug 11, 2020 21:05
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Apparently also the Servo team, ie the people who did the technical core of what became Quantum. Meanwhile their 'chief innovation officer' was self-congratulating on twitter over firefox Voice aka Siri for firefox. Because if there's one thing mozilla loves, it's jumping on a bandwagon 3 years too late. Though that does give me hope that we're only 6 months away from everyone being done with voice assistants.
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Aug 11, 2020 22:26
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Let's fire our threat team and try to get into the corporate market, because if there is one thing companies don't care about, it's risk. 
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Aug 12, 2020 01:05
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What the hell is a "threat management team", yeah, I guessing you don't need one of those.
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Aug 12, 2020 02:06
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wooger posted:As always, they need to focus on Firefox & employing developers. Announce that you're going to move to somewhere like Bangalore. Existing programmers and such can work from home but all new hires come from India. If you're an activist you are now activisting in India. At a stroke you'll rid yourself of SF social climbers, reduce your running costs, open up a vast pool of programming talent that is also relatively low cost and your activism becomes much more meaningful and easier to boot.
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Aug 12, 2020 03:05
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Looks like the Servo team is gone.
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Aug 12, 2020 03:29
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Im_Special posted:What the hell is a "threat management team", yeah, I guessing you don't need one of those. If they were that good, they should have seen it coming.
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Aug 12, 2020 03:51
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Megillah Gorilla posted:If they were that good, they should have seen it coming. First, you fire the threat prediction team, then the threat management team.
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Aug 12, 2020 04:44
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Dramicus posted:I don't know about you, but I'd totally pay for Firefox. They could have their normal free version, and also maybe have a paid version with extra features or whatever. Or even just to donate to the browser itself. That's the main issue here. I specifically want to contribute to the development of the browser, not some other initiative. how does firefox even earn money?
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Aug 12, 2020 06:21
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Fashionable Jorts posted:how does firefox even earn money? People like me have hopes and dreams and give them money when they have it. I no longer have hopes, dreams or money so this is moot in the present.
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Aug 12, 2020 06:35
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Inceltown posted:People like me have hopes and dreams and give them money when they have it. I no longer have hopes, dreams or money so this is moot in the present. You may think this, but you don’t. Mozilla has two separate parts, Mozilla Foundation & Mozilla Corporation. Only the first can or has ever taken donations. Firefox is under the second, so will never have received a penny. They are idiots.
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Aug 12, 2020 08:22
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Fashionable Jorts posted:how does firefox even earn money? Why should they? Firefox is free software, and as such, they should work on it, for free, forever!
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Aug 12, 2020 12:26
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Fashionable Jorts posted:how does firefox even earn money? Default search engine deals. So Google, mostly.
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Aug 12, 2020 12:37
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I'd imagine that a default search engine deal with an advertising company during a global economic crisis doesn't pay what it used to.
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Aug 12, 2020 13:27
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https://twitter.com/SteveALee/status/1293487542382333952?s=20 MDN team is gone too. Insanite posted:I'd imagine that a default search engine deal with an advertising company during a global economic crisis doesn't pay what it used to. Now that's an understatement after reading this: https://www.zdnet.com/article/mozilla-lays-off-250-employees-while-it-refocuses-on-commercial-products/ quote:Furthermore, Mozilla's contract with Google to include Google as the default search provider inside Firefox is set to expire later this year, and the contract has not been renewed. The Google deal has historically accounted for around 90% of all of Mozilla's revenue, and without it experts see a dim future for Mozilla past 2021.
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Aug 12, 2020 14:09
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Insanite posted:I'd imagine that a default search engine deal with an advertising company during a global economic crisis doesn't pay what it used to. A default search engine deal doesn't pay what it used to because google is a monopoly and nobody else exists in a state where they will counter-bid. Yahoo is dead, and MS knows that Bing is not gonna have some amazing success. They continue to operate it for their own products, but they're not burning hundreds of millions of dollars to try to increase market share with firefox's sliver of market share. OhFunny posted:https://twitter.com/SteveALee/status/1293487542382333952?s=20 Mozilla wants to be Google. Google kills off their good products and ideas when they don't turn into trillion-dollar services. Therefore, Mozilla will also kill off all their good products and ideas.
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Aug 12, 2020 15:01
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Man, MDN and FireFox Developer Edition are both awesome. I'd gladly have paid money to keep those folks from being laid off.
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Aug 12, 2020 15:54
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OhFunny posted:Now that's an understatement after reading this: Sounds like they're desperately cutting costs in anticipation of the revenue loss, which is unfortunate but not unexpected. I'm sure all of us here would rather see the art/UI teams get axed but they're probably being kept to work on getting the new services going. As far as I see it though Firefox is now dead in the water, we're looking at little to no performance improvements for the foreseeable future but a whole lot of updates to sell their new services while they try to stay afloat. Probably be years before they feel like making things go fast again.
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GRECOROMANGRABASS posted:Man, MDN and FireFox Developer Edition are both awesome. I'd gladly have paid money to keep those folks from being laid off. This is the most infuriating part, Mozilla literally won't let anyone do that. I'm sure there would have been an enormous number of people in the Linux/open software community that would have contributed so much, had it been possible to support the browser development specifically. isndl posted:Sounds like they're desperately cutting costs in anticipation of the revenue loss, which is unfortunate but not unexpected. I'm sure all of us here would rather see the art/UI teams get axed but they're probably being kept to work on getting the new services going. Hopefully Librewolf will turn into something decent. I imagine it will take several years of development before it gets there, though.
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https://twitter.com/gcpascutto/status/1293519587967983616
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Mitchell Baker on blog.mozilla.org posted:This is a time of change for the internet and for Mozilla. From combatting a lethal virus and battling systemic racism to protecting individual privacy — one thing is clear: an open and accessible internet is essential to the fight.
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Aug 12, 2020 17:14
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Fame Douglas posted:Default search engine deals. So Google, mostly. That seems like the kind of income that can support like, 2 employees total lol
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Aug 12, 2020 17:35
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Fashionable Jorts posted:That seems like the kind of income that can support like, 2 employees total lol In 2017 they made > $500 million on their search deals IIRC.
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Aug 12, 2020 17:49
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Splinter posted:In 2017 they made > $500 million on their search deals IIRC. 2 Bay Area employees.
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Aug 12, 2020 18:10
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Splinter posted:In 2017 they made > $500 million on their search deals IIRC. That's probably why their search deal contract with Google hasn't been renewed. Firefox used to have market share worth multi-million dollar deals. They don't anymore, and Google's not going to sign onto a new contract at the premium price that a contract that was negotiated in better days for Firefox had. The next year or two are going to be very unkind to Mozilla. Their consequences of their strategy of letting designers run wild and constantly chase away users, and giving up all their differentiating factors in the marketplace are going to come home to roost. The money they bring in is going to start reflecting their vanishing userbase. biznatchio fucked around with this message at 18:16 on Aug 12, 2020 |
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Look at the bright side, if Mozilla goes under then at least they won't be able to ruin Thunderbird. 
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So uh, if Firefox is gently drifting into an iceberg, anyone have positive experiences with any alternatives (inb4 obligatory "Chrome" gag)?
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Aug 12, 2020 19:37
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loving yikes, at this point they should just spin off the non-business parts of Mozilla into something similar to The Document Foundation. There's no way the community could possibly gently caress this up any worse than Mozilla already has.
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Insanite posted:I'd imagine that a default search engine deal with an advertising company during a global economic crisis doesn't pay what it used to. It does, because it was a lump sum paid for N years of exclusivity as the default. However, that’s up soon, and no follow-on deal is agreed this far. That alone is 90% of revenue.
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biznatchio posted:That's probably why their search deal contract with Google hasn't been renewed. Firefox used to have market share worth multi-million dollar deals. They don't anymore, and Google's not going to sign onto a new contract at the premium price that a contract that was negotiated in better days for Firefox had. Their strategy of not allowing donations directly to fund the browser, and on spending money on anything other than the browser is what’s killed them. That plus having multiple HQs in the most expensive cities in the world, and generally behaving like a tech giant in terms of staff luxuries. 90% of everything they have been doing is worthless. They could’ve made $500 mil last a long time with competent management and behaving like the open source project they are. I’d be very sad to see MDN disappear or go to poo poo too, it’s the best reference for web dev stuff by far imo.
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Lightningproof posted:So uh, if Firefox is gently drifting into an iceberg, anyone have positive experiences with any alternatives (inb4 obligatory "Chrome" gag)? Microsoft Edge is good. It's Chrome, but it has tab mute (which is pretty much the only reason to use it over Chrome). Also, instead of annoying you with Google login prompts, it annoys you with Microsoft account login prompts. And it has terrible feature creep compared to Chrome, but luckily, those extra features can be ignored. Extensions can be installed directly from the Chrome Web Store (just enable "Allow extensions from other stores" in the bottom left corner of the Extensions window)
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Oh, that's good to hear. What the heck was the Threat & Incident Team then? Security PR? Lightningproof posted:So uh, if Firefox is gently drifting into an iceberg, anyone have positive experiences with any alternatives (inb4 obligatory "Chrome" gag)? Vivaldi, but I think jumping ship right now is a bit premature. Unless you were already up on the deck looking around for a lifeboat. overmind2000 posted:loving yikes, at this point they should just spin off the non-business parts of Mozilla into something similar to The Document Foundation. There's no way the community could possibly gently caress this up any worse than Mozilla already has. Mozilla is already controlled by a Foundation, but it's a great example of how non-profit foundations aren't automatically better than for-profit corporations. Even though the organization itself doesn't have the motive for unchecked profit, the people in charge still do. More money justifies bigger salaries. tl;dr 
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Lightningproof posted:So uh, if Firefox is gently drifting into an iceberg, anyone have positive experiences with any alternatives (inb4 obligatory "Chrome" gag)? Obviously just move to {{insert fork of Firefox whose development would also screech to a halt, since most/all of its underlying code is based off of Mozilla's}}
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