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| Biden |
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425 | 18.06% |
| Trump |
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105 | 4.46% |
| whoever the Green Party runs |
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307 | 13.05% |
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151 | 6.42% |
| Bernie Sanders |
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346 | 14.70% |
| Stalin |
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246 | 10.45% |
| Satan |
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300 | 12.75% |
| Nobody |
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202 | 8.58% |
| Jess Scarane |
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110 | 4.67% |
| mystery man Brian Carroll of the American Solidarity Party |
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61 | 2.59% |
| Dick Nixon |
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100 | 4.25% |
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joepinetree posted:This election isn't close and is not going to be close. Pentecoastal Elites posted:I guess? It's a longer, slower bleed-out, that's for sure. I get the feeling that a lot of people who agree with your line of thinking have this expectation that either help is just around the corner or under a Biden administration we can start rebuilding, and I just don't see it and, frankly, don't get why anyone does. A Biden administration profits from the same underlying cancers that plague the working class as a Trump administration does. Sure, the former will have some means-tested young entrepreneur initiatives that the latter won't, but on the meaningful stuff (wealth redistribution, healthcare, a social safety net, defunding the loving cops, US imperialism, etc) Biden has already made clear that he's not going to lift a finger.
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joepinetree posted:Sure, she is not the lead outreach person, just someone that the campaign tapped to do Latino outreach occasionally. Doesn't change much though. And if you look at his team for Latin America, it doesn't get much better. People like Juan Gonzalez of the Cohen group, who not too long ago was praising Trump's approach to Venezuela and mourning the retirement of Ros-Lehtinen. The issue is that the people defending Biden in situations like this use the logic "he should be judged by the best of those in his orbit." Of course, this is the complete opposite of how any reasonable person should judge these things, but there's not really anything you can do if someone is desperate to find some reason to be optimistic about Biden. Glumwheels posted:I agree and this is how I feel about the position we’re in Using the euphemism "imperfect" to describe genuinely terrible people who are responsible for mass human suffering is pretty hosed up and basically the way a lot of terrible poo poo is normalized In general the framing of Democrats as "not as good as I'd like" is extremely misleading, given they're responsible for most of the same harm the GOP is.
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Aug 12, 2020 19:21
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spunkshui posted:The yanking of sorting machines is being called a “cost saving measure.” Would Biden be able to dismiss or override the Postmaster General or are we stuck with this psycho for some specific term?
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Aug 12, 2020 19:24
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Wicked Them Beats posted:Would Biden be able to dismiss or override the Postmaster General or are we stuck with this psycho for some specific term?
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Aug 12, 2020 19:25
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LionArcher posted:Come on. He's not great. I didn't want him to be the nom. But Trump is far, far worse. If nothing else, from an Environmental point. HIs handling of Covid will be better (as in he'll try something, not this bullshit). There's a reason Bernie is supporting him. Biden is not great and long term the world is still hosed if we don't change a lot of things we won't, but we're literally bleeding out as a country from a gunshot wound to the head. Bernie would have been emergency surgery, Biden's just duck tape over the wound, but it gives us a shot of getting to better care later. Trump round 2 is a second gunshot wound. Except Biden isn't "duct tape on the wound" he's explicitly pro-wounding us more, just at a slightly reduced rate over Trump. Biden explicitly opposes all of the specific policy actions that would address climate change. Biden opposes ending Oil & Gas drilling, Biden opposes ending Coal Mining, Biden opposes ending the sale of ICE vehicles, and so on. Biden has already endorsed the coal and gas industry plan to burn more coal and gas but use paperwork to declare it is good for the climate. Trump and Biden are both a second gunshot wound, Biden is just promising to shoot somewhere you won't notice as quickly and he promises after another few gunshots then he'll start on the gun-approved plan to stop the bleeding by filling your gunshot wounds with more lead.
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Aug 12, 2020 19:26
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If Michael Bloomberg were the Democratic nominee should we vote for him?
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Aug 12, 2020 19:28
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Mind_Taker posted:If Michael Bloomberg were the Democratic nominee should we vote for him?
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Aug 12, 2020 19:30
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Wicked Them Beats posted:Would Biden be able to dismiss or override the Postmaster General or are we stuck with this psycho for some specific term? Immediately poo poo canned. This is one of those many areas where our government isn’t set up for a president who intentionally makes the government work less good. The only reason I’m not loving terrified is because it’s pretty clear the military is not on trumps side. They’re banning confederate flags, and the generals left the White House after calling him a dumb rear end. It’s pretty obvious why he wanted those generals on his side. I think it’s gonna be pretty hard for him to become a dictator unless there’s a lot going on in the military that I’m not seeing. The fact that he keeps using DHS for everything and not real troops is another clear indicator of how little control he has over the military.
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Aug 12, 2020 19:30
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JT Jag posted:Yes, America will still be bleeding out even under a Biden administration. He's a centrist who will bring in a lot of bloodless deficit hawk and foreign policy hawk technocrats into his administration and that's not great. But the bleed out being slower is, in my opinion, what matters here, because it gives a longer timespan to stop the bleeding. I totally understand what you're saying, but I disagree that we'll have any sort of better opportunity to stop the bleeding. I think it's extremely naive and ahistorical to believe that the Biden administration will allow anyone who cares to actually do anything meaningful, and I think that it's very clear that they have a direct interest in making sure there won't be another Bernie Sanders that might allow for those opportunities. I think that the second Biden secured the nomination that any sort of change coming from electoral politics is going to be far too little, far too late from a party that is being very quickly driven rightward. I think the combination of left suppression and the bulk of liberals being able to happily ignore politics and return to brunch is going to easily offset any sort of slowdown of immiseration that Biden might mean. Since the nomination, I think nothing is really going to change in this country until a critical mass of people is mad and desperate enough. I'm not advocating for "accelerationism" here or anything, I think this is just a very depressing fact. No one knows if a second Trump term would be objectively better than 4-8+ years of Biden/Harris, least of all me, but -- again -- I can't see a Biden presidency being meaningfully "better" for the vast majority of working Americans (to say nothing of non-Americans) outside of people no longer having to suffer the psychic weight of Trump's big dumb face on TV all the time.
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Aug 12, 2020 19:41
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Mind_Taker posted:If Michael Bloomberg were the Democratic nominee should we vote for him? There is absolutely no doubt in my mind, utterly zero, that we wouldn't be hearing the exact same defenses and breathless exhortations for #BlueNoMatterWho if Bloomberg were the candidate. We might have a few more NoMikes than NoJoes, but that's pretty much it.
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Aug 12, 2020 19:43
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Pentecoastal Elites posted:I totally understand what you're saying, but I disagree that we'll have any sort of better opportunity to stop the bleeding. I think it's extremely naive and ahistorical to believe that the Biden administration will allow anyone who cares to actually do anything meaningful, and I think that it's very clear that they have a direct interest in making sure there won't be another Bernie Sanders that might allow for those opportunities. I think that the second Biden secured the nomination that any sort of change coming from electoral politics is going to be far too little, far too late from a party that is being very quickly driven rightward. 3 trillion recovery bill passed vs nothing Both parties are not the same.
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Aug 12, 2020 19:44
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Pentecoastal Elites posted:There is absolutely no doubt in my mind, utterly zero, that we wouldn't be hearing the exact same defenses and breathless exhortations for #BlueNoMatterWho if Bloomberg were the candidate. We might have a few more NoMikes than NoJoes, but that's pretty much it.
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Aug 12, 2020 19:47
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Would it? No one likes Joe Biden (or so I'm told!) but there seemingly is not a liberal alive who can help themselves from demanding I vote for Joe because of the Orange Fascist Putin's Boyfriend FREAKIN CHEETO in the FREAKIN WHITE HOUSE!! e: I mean, Mike couldn't be as bad as Hitler, right? https://twitter.com/Of_the_People7/status/1293317296979468289 Pentecoastal Elites fucked around with this message at 19:53 on Aug 12, 2020 |
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Aug 12, 2020 19:49
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Pentecoastal Elites posted:Would it? No one likes Joe Biden (or so I'm told!) but there seemingly is not a liberal alive who can help themselves from demanding I vote for Joe because of the Orange Fascist Putin's Boyfriend FREAKIN CHEETO in the FREAKIN WHITE HOUSE!! this meme needs to die as it is exceedingly disparaging to all cheese-flavored puffed corn snacks
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Aug 12, 2020 19:54
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We will never know how bad mike is because he has paid many many women to keep it that way. He was an obvious republican trying to gently caress our election and I laugh at his new legacy as a sex pest. Edit: I miss debate warren and her knives.
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Aug 12, 2020 19:54
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spunkshui posted:He was an obvious republican trying to gently caress our election and I laugh at his new legacy as a sex pest. Oh, buddy...
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Aug 12, 2020 19:55
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Pentecoastal Elites posted:Would it? No one likes Joe Biden (or so I'm told!) but there seemingly is not a liberal alive who can help themselves from demanding I vote for Joe because of the Orange Fascist Putin's Boyfriend FREAKIN CHEETO in the FREAKIN WHITE HOUSE!! In this hypothetical Bloomberg would be a Republican billionaire single-handedly subverting the democratic process by buying delegates, bribing other people to drop out and so on. He's also an inherently unlikable spineless worm. People wouldn't be going out of their way to defend him. The argument isn't really worth thinking about in depth, though, in my opinion. Bloomberg never could have won, the purpose of his campaign was to kamikaze Bernie, and the fact that after a couple good polls he got a big head and thought he actually had a shot for a few weeks doesn't change that.
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Aug 12, 2020 19:56
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JT Jag posted:After 2016 I'm not going to believe this until I see it. Indeed, my null hypothesis is essentially the opposite; there are already red flags flying for his campaign, such as that those folks talking about the hispanic vote in florida I posted a while back, the fact that they want to depend on a mail voting system that is undergoing pre-privatization wrecking. As to the quality of governance that Biden will bring... well, I increasingly fall into this camp: https://twitter.com/TomColetti/status/1293615021612703744
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Aug 12, 2020 20:01
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shrike82 posted:The lesson from this primary and election as a whole (especially if Biden ends up winning) is that people need to break out of the online leftist Twitter bubble. Basically everything that seized the attention of the bubble had no real world relevance - all the bullshit about Warren and Buttigieg was just in the imaginations of the terminally online. Yeah, the mainstream media never gave Buttigieg any air time, especially after Iowa. And they never gave Warren any air time either or made a big deal about her thing with Bernie. That just never showed up in the mainstream media at all and was only a thing in the lefty twitter bubble. Idiot. You just came back from a probation for trolling this thread with obvious bullshit. gently caress off. If you have to troll, go into USPol and tell them that only weird lefties hate Trump and he barely gets any coverage in the mainstream media. Have your fun there.
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Aug 12, 2020 20:07
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Pentecoastal Elites posted:Would it? No one likes Joe Biden (or so I'm told!) but there seemingly is not a liberal alive who can help themselves from demanding I vote for Joe because of the Orange Fascist Putin's Boyfriend FREAKIN CHEETO in the FREAKIN WHITE HOUSE!! StealthArcher posted:Vote Goering (D), or youre letting Heydrich (R) win! My dumb jokes can't even last 24 hours anymore, guess I'm out of an onion job opportunity.
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Aug 12, 2020 20:07
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https://twitter.com/herosnvrdie69/status/1293571805345611776?s=19 Remember when liberals claimed that Bernie was personally responsible for every snake emoji that was ever sent Warren's way? These are the people fighting for Biden and Kamala. Well, Kamala at least.
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Aug 12, 2020 20:14
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the_steve posted:https://twitter.com/herosnvrdie69/status/1293571805345611776?s=19 yeah one of the few good things about Biden is that he doesn't have a disturbing cult of personality of true believers. well, outside of the standard lib cult i guess.
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Aug 12, 2020 20:17
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https://twitter.com/jstein_wapo/status/1293588320396742656?s=21 Don’t worry tho I have it on good authority in D&D that Biden can be pushed left. Surely he’ll come around, even on far left ideas like not forcing people to choose between homelessness and working through a plague.
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Aug 12, 2020 20:34
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rko posted:https://twitter.com/jstein_wapo/status/1293588320396742656?s=21 Well sure. He may have built a career on racism and flipping off progressive ideals at every turn, but now that he has exactly what he wants, he's bound to throw some concessions our way now! 
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Aug 12, 2020 20:36
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Is there any evidence that a president Biden (or Kamala) would improve chances for flipping the Senate and/or keeping the house? These sound like good reasons they will suppress turnout more than a president Trump.
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Aug 12, 2020 20:39
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The differences between Trump and Biden ar eminute and mostly aesthetic.
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Aug 12, 2020 20:47
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MonsieurChoc posted:The differences between Trump and Biden ar eminute and mostly aesthetic. Exactly. Biden won't tweet, he'll generally be able to avoid saying the quiet parts out loud, and will act like a mature grown-up as he condemns more children to cages and bombs more brown people. But since he isn't making a big scene about it, the Succ Crowd can ignore it in peace, which is all they ever wanted.
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Aug 12, 2020 20:50
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joepinetree posted:Sure, she is not the lead outreach person, just someone that the campaign tapped to do Latino outreach occasionally. Doesn't change much though. And if you look at his team for Latin America, it doesn't get much better. People like Juan Gonzalez of the Cohen group, who not too long ago was praising Trump's approach to Venezuela and mourning the retirement of Ros-Lehtinen. And the Jani situation is just purely loving ridiculous.
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Aug 12, 2020 20:54
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Aug 12, 2020 20:59
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E: ^^^ our hyperguilded age is so disgusting and horrifying, and watching so many of my peers who think of themselves as “progressives” cheering this dystopia on is probably the most depressing thing I’ve ever experienced. Ruzihm posted:Is there any evidence that a president Biden (or Kamala) would improve chances for flipping the Senate and/or keeping the house? These sound like good reasons they will suppress turnout more than a president Trump. In 2022? I expect another 1994 or 2010, with Democrats depressed at a lack of action and Republicans highly motivated in response to the terrifying specter of socialism. Unless you think the Biden administration, given everything we know, will pursue an economic strategy likely to pull us out of the forthcoming collapse, I see no reason for optimism. Of course, a Trump win probably means four more years of the Republicans demolishing the government completely and getting rid of the last vestiges of democracy, so optimism in general seems pretty dumb. rko fucked around with this message at 21:05 on Aug 12, 2020 |
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Aug 12, 2020 20:59
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"Bad crap" in this context means "A latin american country overthrowing their right wing dictator"
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Aug 12, 2020 21:04
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the weird infantilism of these people, christ they want a big strong parent figure to just fix everything and that they can love and worship
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Aug 12, 2020 21:13
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Mellow Seas posted:No. Not even close. Reading between the lines, Ana Navarro is to directly appeal to Cubans, and to moderate/conservatives in general. Her husband is a prominent Miami Cuban who has been, among other things, Chairman of the Florida GOP and a senior advisor to JEB! In otherwords, she's a button labeled Win Florida; who knows whether that'll actually do anything though.
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Aug 12, 2020 21:14
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:In otherwords, she's a button labeled Win Florida; who knows whether that'll actually do anything though. Thanks to being an early part of the #NeverTrump GOP, she’s also on tv all the time, which automatically makes her one of Biden’s more visible surrogates. Unless she’s been transferred to only work for CNN Florida? This idea that she’s just a minor functionary in the campaign is true on paper, sure, but it’s absurd to ignore the degree to which the Democrats are doing their best to promote their bipartisan bona fides by showcasing their support from moderate Republicans. They’re having the monstrous anti-abortion governor who ran for the GOP nomination last time around have a primetime speaking role at the convention ffs. Quibble over the details all you want, the pattern is plain to see.
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Aug 12, 2020 21:29
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The new narrative around supporting Kamala Harris that I am seeing, is that she has grown as a politician and is trying to apologize and atone for her cruel actions as a lawyer in California. Something about this doesn't sit with me but I am having a hard time explaining why. Does her support of progressive laws in congress really get her off the hook for all of this?
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Aug 12, 2020 21:34
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I said come in! posted:The new narrative around supporting Kamala Harris that I am seeing, is that she has grown as a politician and is trying to apologize and atone for her cruel actions as a lawyer in California. Something about this doesn't sit with me but I am having a hard time explaining why. Does her support of progressive laws in congress really get her off the hook for all of this? It's complete bullshit. She has only voted in favor of progressive legislation that has no chance of passing so it's pretty meaningless.
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Aug 12, 2020 21:38
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~~dreaming of those nuns her dad murdered~~ TheDeadlyShoe posted:who knows whether that'll actually do anything though. you coulda just left this part. either they are dumb enough to think it will have an impact, or they are doing it because of the larger trend of abandoning progressive ideals in favor of swinging hard right. rko posted:They're having the monstrous anti-abortion governor who ran for the GOP nomination last time around have a primetime speaking role at the convention ffs.
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I said come in! posted:The new narrative around supporting Kamala Harris that I am seeing, is that she has grown as a politician and is trying to apologize and atone for her cruel actions as a lawyer in California. Something about this doesn't sit with me but I am having a hard time explaining why. Does her support of progressive laws in congress really get her off the hook for all of this?
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Aug 12, 2020 21:39
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I don't know about this Kasich guy, maybe he's alright. I need some other opinions on him. Let's ask the Democrats what they think: https://twitter.com/TheDemocrats/status/698701260380356608 Wow, sounds like a terrible person. Whose brilliant idea was it to invite him to this thing after the DNC felt the need to publicly blast him for destroying his own state? Joking aside, that they went from publicly condemning Kasich in 2016 to inviting him to speak at the convention in 2020 is clear evidence that if the party has moved since the last election, it hasn't been to the left. This is not a good sign, and I don't think people should just be blithely dismissing them pulling Kasich up as nothing. Clearly the party thinks something is different from four years ago if they're trying to get away with this. I said come in! posted:The new narrative around supporting Kamala Harris that I am seeing, is that she has grown as a politician and is trying to apologize and atone for her cruel actions as a lawyer in California. Something about this doesn't sit with me but I am having a hard time explaining why. Does her support of progressive laws in congress really get her off the hook for all of this? She's done literally nothing to apologize and now she's joined a campaign that at best agrees with all her old badness and at worst probably thinks she didn't go far enough with the cruelty. There's not a scrap of evidence she's actually changed. Roland Jones fucked around with this message at 21:51 on Aug 12, 2020 |
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Aug 12, 2020 21:40
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You’re smelling bullshit for what it is, ISCI. It hasn’t even been a year since her incredible flip-flop-ery resulted in her getting laughed out of the primary, unable to secure funding for her rapidly tanking campaign (that, as I recall, had sitcom-style mismanagement). How has she changed since then, exactly?
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