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Barry Convex posted:huh, I don't recall this. what I recall hearing was that the originally planned crossover for 2006 was "superheroes vs. SHIELD" and that Millar didn't like the idea and turned it into Civil War through several editorial meetings quote:Marvel had a plan for a crossover, but it wasn't very good and I remember Brian and I passing each other little notes saying as much. [...] Brian went away slightly troubled, feeling we could do better. Next morning we hopped a cab from the hotel together and he said he had a great idea. Why don't we do something he'd touched upon as part of his big New Avengers plans with regard to secret identities and registration? He had this idea of SHIELD vs. the Marvel Universe... Anecdotally, I was at a Millarworld bar meet-up that took place possibly the night before Civil War was conceived, and at said bar most of the Marvel Creative Summit people were there and being way too loose lipped about what was going on at the creative summit, which is where I got the "the crossover plan before Civil War was basically World War Hulk", which also explains how the original outline for Civil War (also reprinted in the Scriptbook) contains this suggestion for part of the third act: quote:It all comes to a head as the cliffhanger from Planet Hulk neatly cuts into our own series. Another thing I'd like to suggest is completely rethinking the alien attacks thing discussed at the summit. We've seen aliens attack many times and varied types of aliens will only be confusing and a turn-off for the end of a big superhero series. For a summer event, the kids want Marvel characters and the conclusion to this should be the biggest Marvel character of all. I'd really like to see the Hulk attack Earth and bring with him small, five-foot versions of the Hulk called Hulk Babies who are just as powerful and dangerous, but the spawn of the Hulk after he's hosed a hundred thousand alien chicks. As for Loeb/JMS losing interested in Planet/World War Hulk once it got demoted, the evidence I have is mostly everyone at that bar complaining about how said alien/Hulk invasion story was their idea, and also in the same scriptbook there being some comments from Brevoort about how Loeb argued against letting Civil War be the big 'event'. Also here's Greg Pak talking about how he came to write Planet Hulk back in 2006: quote:I wasn’t in the room when the idea first germinated. But as I understand it, Joe Quesada and the other Marvel editors saw that it was time for the Hulk to cut loose, to run wild -— essentially, to be the Hulk. And a savage alien planet seemed like the perfect place to stage that kind of story. So I admit I'm connecting the dots here (and I may be forgetting some other corroborating evidence/interviews) but I'm pretty confident in it.
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Wednesday trip report: Amazing Spider-Man continues to be great. Ditto Captain Marvel. I'm digging Carol's half-sister.
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Yvonmukluk posted:Wednesday trip report: Amazing Spider-Man continues to be great. Ditto Captain Marvel. I'm digging Carol's half-sister. I haven't read any of the new Captain Marvel series until now, but I agree. Really interested to see where they go with this new character.
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She is great, and it doesn't hurt that Chewie clearly thinks so too. That was a fun bit.
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What the gently caress? https://twitter.com/Marvel/status/1293623211280801792?s=20 A Phoenix event that doesn't involve the X-Men, sure, why the gently caress not? I'm trying to think of red heads it could possess that aren't Mutants and all I've got is Mary Jane. Is Pepper Potts a red head? Air Skwirl fucked around with this message at 20:23 on Aug 12, 2020 |
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So we're gonna see how Logan became the Phoenix in Thor? E: wait did we already see that?
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Skwirl posted:What the gently caress? Black Widow
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I'm taking that to mean Marc Spektor is getting the Phoenix Force.
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Skwirl posted:What the gently caress? The Phoenix is a member of the One Million BC Avengers so this probably has something to do with that.
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Endless Mike posted:Black Widow :foreheadslap: Rhyno posted:I'm taking that to mean Marc Spektor is getting the Phoenix Force. At least one of his personalities has got to be a redhead.
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Age of Khonshu is the (currently running, self-contained) story arc in Avengers, I assume Enter the Phoenix is the next self-contained arc, not an event. And yes, Khonshu and the Phoenix Force (and the Star Brand, which is part of Age of Khonshu) are all part of the Avengers of 1,000,000 BC. There's built-in story (if not branding) reasons for it to be an Avengers story, not an X-Men one.
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trailer for Rise of Ultraman. Not much new, except that it shows Ultraman and Ultraseven fighting. Which is absurd, Ultraman and Ultraseven are both Ultras from The Land of Light who fight to protect the earth. Why would they be fighting each other? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eumtx4wqRY
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Gripweed posted:trailer for Rise of Ultraman. Not much new, except that it shows Ultraman and Ultraseven fighting. Which is absurd, Ultraman and Ultraseven are both Ultras from The Land of Light who fight to protect the earth. Why would they be fighting each other? Hero-on-hero fights sell more than team ups.
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Gripweed posted:trailer for Rise of Ultraman. Not much new, except that it shows Ultraman and Ultraseven fighting. Which is absurd, Ultraman and Ultraseven are both Ultras from The Land of Light who fight to protect the earth. Why would they be fighting each other? Oh, so you've never read a superhero comic book before? Welcome to the hobby, please feel free to ask any questions you might have, we might make some jokes about your naivate but it's hopefully all in good fun.
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Aug 12, 2020 23:09
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After a couple slower issues poo poo's hitting the fan again in Immortal Hulk. Well, poo poo, gamma radiation, blood, and various other things. As usual, I can't wait til the next issue!
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I don't really have anything big against Aaron, but he's always treated the Phoenix Force like some worn-down sweater to be passed back and forth between people and that whole teaser with Namor wanting to host it again just seems to drag that trend on. Coming soon: Phoenix Captain America! Phoenix Ghost Rider! Phoenix Black Panther! Will they be able to control this dangerous power or will it consume them??! WHO WILL BURN??? yada yada. Any chance of seeing actual the Phoenix, Jean, taking any part in these shenanigans?.......no...? :\
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Gripweed posted:trailer for Rise of Ultraman. Not much new, except that it shows Ultraman and Ultraseven fighting. Which is absurd, Ultraman and Ultraseven are both Ultras from The Land of Light who fight to protect the earth. Why would they be fighting each other?
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i could see phoenix being uninterested in the usual mutants right now because they live on krakoa. death and rebirth don't mean much there, and the cosmic entity of death and rebirth might not care for that.
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BrianWilly posted:Any chance of seeing actual the Phoenix, Jean, taking any part in these shenanigans?.......no...? :\ Jean told the Phoenix Force to gently caress off when she came back so maybe the fire chicken is holding a grudge? More broadly though, Aaron's Avenger run seems fascinated with power that is handed down across generations -- Ghost Rider, Iron Fist, Starbrand, etc and the Phoenix Force fits alongside that quite nicely.
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howe_sam posted:Jean told the Phoenix Force to gently caress off when she came back so maybe the fire chicken is holding a grudge? I would accept the Phoenix Force being afraid of Jean and thus giving all mutants a wide berth given the current status quo.
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Endless Mike posted:Since I know you love animes: Goku and Spiky Goku are both Gokus from Gokuplanet and they fight all the time. No that comparison doesn't work. Goku and Vegeta are both Saiyans from the planet Vegeta, but Goku was sent to earth as a baby where he sustained brain damage and was then raised as a good guy by Gohan. Meanwhile Vegeta grew up in Saiyan culture, working for Frieza. Their conflict began when Vegeta came to earth to conquer it for Frieza, and of course Goku didn't want that to happen. And they don't fight all the time, they fought twice. First when Vegeta came to earth to conquer it, and again almost a decade later when Vegeta allowed Babidi to turn him evil. That's not comparable to Ultraman and Ultraseven at all. They are both Ultras from Nebula M78, the Land of Light. Ultraman was chasing the criminal Bemular and SSSP member Shin Hayata got caught in the middle and died. Ultraman fused his life force with Shin's to save his life, and stayed on earth to defend it until the SSSP could handle itself. Ultraseven was a cartographer exploring the milky way when he noticed that earth was the target of numerous alien invasion schemes. So he took the form of a human called Dan Moroboshi and joined the Ultra Guard to defend the planet. He left when his time on earth was taking too much of a toll on his Ultra body for him to continue, and the Ultra Guard had shown itself capable of defending the earth without him. The earths Ultraman and Ultraseven defended existed in different universes, and they have regularly ppked their heads into other universes to help other Ultramen, and even worked together. There is no conflict between Ultraman and Ultraseven. edit: I'm dumb, it's probably an Alien Babarue disguising itself as either Ultraman or Ultraseven Gripweed fucked around with this message at 01:14 on Aug 13, 2020 |
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There's no conflict yet, but we haven't read the comic because it doesn't actually exist yet. It's an Ultraman origin story and it's going to be different from previous ones if only to justify its own existence. So we don't know why they're fighting.
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Gripweed posted:ULTRAMAN STUFF Thank you for this, I love tokusatsu stuff but Ultraman has always been a blind spot for me.
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The Leader is just having a hell of a time, hard not to feel good for the guy.
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Gripweed posted:No that comparison doesn't work. Goku and Vegeta are both Saiyans from the planet Vegeta, but Goku was sent to earth as a baby where he sustained brain damage and was then raised as a good guy by Gohan. Meanwhile Vegeta grew up in Saiyan culture, working for Frieza. Their conflict began when Vegeta came to earth to conquer it for Frieza, and of course Goku didn't want that to happen. And they don't fight all the time, they fought twice. First when Vegeta came to earth to conquer it, and again almost a decade later when Vegeta allowed Babidi to turn him evil.
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Dreqqus posted:Thank you for this, I love tokusatsu stuff but Ultraman has always been a blind spot for me. I'm just an Ultra novitiate, I've only seen like 5 and a half seasons of it so far. But when the comic comes out I'll be more than happy to explain any extra Ultra stuff in it that I catch.
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howe_sam posted:More broadly though, Aaron's Avenger run seems fascinated with power that is handed down across generations -- Ghost Rider, Iron Fist, Starbrand, etc and the Phoenix Force fits alongside that quite nicely. I'd love to be proven wrong of course. -ancient parable of comic book readers
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In universe the Phoenix has been around for billions of years before Jean and will exist for billions of years afterwards so who cares
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site posted:In universe the Phoenix has been around for billions of years before Jean and will exist for billions of years afterwards so who cares Also in universe Jean is way the gently caress more powerful than Phoenix.
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BrianWilly posted:I just think that they really should've run out of excuses to omit Jean from Phoenix storylines now that Jean has actually come back, but then somehow Aaron's gonna find a way to do it anyway. This was Jean's most recent interaction with the Phoenix Force.  The entire point of Jean's return was to decouple her from the Phoenix. If anything bringing her into a Phoenix story is a step backwards for her.
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Yeah and that was really dumb for more reasons than I care to reiterate at the moment, but even so it doesn't mean the a major Phoenix storyline shouldn't involve her in some way given how important she's been as a host. She's literally the template for the Phoenix host that we see in the prehistoric Avengers! Bendis also said "NO MORE PHOENIX" in AvX and the Phoenix came back pretty quick anyway so like. Y'know. Writers don't have to stick with things if there's a better reason not to. Skwirl posted:Also in universe Jean is way the gently caress more powerful than Phoenix. It's also a weird idea to quantify because Jean's role as the Phoenix has largely been an expression of her ultimate potential. The fact that she even can be Phoenix is an indication of her power, the concept of which gets diluted every time some writer has some other random character host the Phoenix for shoots and giggles. Tom Taylor's idea that the Phoenix Force was holding Jean back somehow is...not terrible, but it's also really just a way to work around the mandate of Jean not being the Phoenix but still being powerful. Some writer can also just say "nah it doesn't work that way" and they'd frankly have more cause for it. site posted:In universe the Phoenix has been around for billions of years before Jean and will exist for billions of years afterwards so who cares
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I wouldn’t get too worked up about Aaron’s super silly Avengers book. It doesn’t really effect any other books, and is just a lot of bombastic fun. I look forward to an epic confrontation between Phoenix Namor and Starbrand baby. Ghost Rider will probably get his hands on an Iron Man suit, and hellfire it up. And maybe if we’re lucky, we’ll finally get The Orb of 1,000,000 BC.
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The arc will end with Jean coming and scolding the Phoenix Force and it going away for a bit again.
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I'd rather just have Hope again, but that's mostly just wanting to see more "What if Jean Grey was also Cable" and wanting to see more Cable with the Avengers. I'm probably one of three people who I feel like actually have this opinion
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KaosMachina posted:I'd rather just have Hope again, but that's mostly just wanting to see more "What if Jean Grey was also Cable" and wanting to see more Cable with the Avengers. Hope is a bit busy at the moment.
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Or the X-Men show up at the end and are like "See? We loving told you. You tried to give us poo poo about the Phoenix, but noooo. So now you assholes deal with it."
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Codependent Poster posted:Or the X-Men show up at the end and are like "See? We loving told you. You tried to give us poo poo about the Phoenix, but noooo. So now you assholes deal with it." That's the opposite of how that story went, but ok.
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I tell you what, reading the latest issues of Immortal Hulk and Attack on Titan back to back was a mistake I won't be repeating in the future. I frigging love Immortal Hulk, but now that we're onto what seems to be the next arc's villain I'm just wondering how long Ewing plans to keep it going on for. I feel like if there's a point where he starts tying it into the big endgame scenario he showed us ages back then this is the arc to really start off, but then again I've successfully predicted zero things about this entire run so what do I know?
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Nilbop posted:I tell you what, reading the latest issues of Immortal Hulk and Attack on Titan back to back was a mistake I won't be repeating in the future. I believe they say it ends at 50
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