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I've never had an actual tube amp so I was thinking about getting one for myself as a birthday present, I was gonna wait cause my birthdays in October and I just spent money on that new Gretsch I bought but my used music gear store of choice has a Marshall dsl5cr for $300. The cheapest I can find it anywhere else in the world is like $450 used plus shipping so I feel like I should buy it now instead before someone else gets it.. It surprised me shopping around for a tube amp cause I wasn't really a fan of Marshall stuff before but I realize that might be because 99% of my exposure to them was people Slashing it up with a les Paul which does nothing for me. But I heard someone play on one with just a medium low amount of breakup and it sounded perfect. Im just gonna be a cheap Malcolm Young imitation from now on
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Wowporn posted:I've never had an actual tube amp so I was thinking about getting one for myself as a birthday present, I was gonna wait cause my birthdays in October and I just spent money on that new Gretsch I bought but my used music gear store of choice has a Marshall dsl5cr for $300. The cheapest I can find it anywhere else in the world is like $450 used plus shipping so I feel like I should buy it now instead before someone else gets it.. What no get a Fender tube. Fender 68 Custom Princeton Reverb brand new for $900. Don't cheap out on an amp of all things. I'd rather play a cheap 1970s busted rear end up Japanese clone $200 guitar than a low quality amp, anyday. If it's a 5 watt you want, vintage Fender Champ/Vibro
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Aug 12, 2020 06:48
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I bought an AC15 after years of playing on tiny SS amps and it blew my mind. Around $400 used
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Aug 12, 2020 08:38
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excellent bird guy posted:What no get a Fender tube. Fender 68 Custom Princeton Reverb brand new for $900. Don't cheap out on an amp of all things. I'd rather play a cheap 1970s busted rear end up Japanese clone $200 guitar than a low quality amp, anyday. I like Fender amps and would be all for a blues Jr (in a perfect world I could have a separate amp that paired perfectly with each guitar...) but it was specifically that British style midrange that drew me to the Marshall. Also I wish money was no object but the truth is even if I get a nice tube amp I will still be spending the majority of my guitar playing either through headphones, direct out to a computer, or with the volume turned down too low to make real good use of it since I live in a really small old apartment so spending that much seems wasteful in my scenario. If there was a mythical amp that sounded equally good through the emulated cabinet output to phones/pa/etc as it did mic'd maybe it would be worth it but I don't see that happening.
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Aug 12, 2020 14:58
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Wowporn posted:If there was a mythical amp that sounded equally good through the emulated cabinet output to phones/pa/etc as it did mic'd maybe it would be worth it but I don't see that happening. https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/TorpedoCapX--two-notes-torpedo-captor-by-reactive-loadbox-di-and-attenuator-8-ohm
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Aug 12, 2020 15:24
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Wowporn posted:I like Fender amps and would be all for a blues Jr (in a perfect world I could have a separate amp that paired perfectly with each guitar...) but it was specifically that British style midrange that drew me to the Marshall. Also I wish money was no object but the truth is even if I get a nice tube amp I will still be spending the majority of my guitar playing either through headphones, direct out to a computer, or with the volume turned down too low to make real good use of it since I live in a really small old apartment so spending that much seems wasteful in my scenario. If there was a mythical amp that sounded equally good through the emulated cabinet output to phones/pa/etc as it did mic'd maybe it would be worth it but I don't see that happening. Do you have a BOSS Katana II yet? Get a BOSS Katana II. If you’re feeling spendy and sad about not having a real tube amp get the $600 Artist one, otherwise a single-speaker 100W or 50W is probably more amp than you’ll ever need. If you can look past the fact that it’s not a real tube amp, it ticks all of your actual boxes. Plus if you get the 50W one you’ll have probably enough cash and space left over to save a bit for an interesting tube amp, which is better than a fancy tube amp IMO. Hell, you could build a solid low-power tube amp if you wanted to. There are tons of kits and parts out there. trilobite terror fucked around with this message at 15:27 on Aug 12, 2020 |
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Aug 12, 2020 15:24
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The Muppets On PCP posted:https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/TorpedoCapX--two-notes-torpedo-captor-by-reactive-loadbox-di-and-attenuator-8-ohm I am curious about these, I've only ever heard one or two people talk about using things like this and they seem really cool if they work as advertised. Would this version still get the trick done? It looks like the same thing but with less of the extra modeling app stuff and half the price which makes the prospect of needing an expensive extra tool to make an expensive amp usable to my use case a little easier to swallow https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/TorpedoCap8--two-notes-torpedo-captor-reactive-loadbox-di-and-attenuator-8-ohm I have one of the smaller boss Katanas and it totally works great as a practice amp, and I also have the pro version of bias FX which handles any digital modeling needs I could possibly have just fine. I'm specifically chasing the dragon of authentic tube amp experience with all this cause cause I never learn my lesson about trying to have my cake and eat it too E also have never considered building one cause I assumed I don't have the tools/space to work on something like that myself, but I do love the looks of the heads that are just the barebones exposed tubes and some dials Wowporn fucked around with this message at 18:34 on Aug 12, 2020 |
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Aug 12, 2020 18:32
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Wowporn posted:I am curious about these, I've only ever heard one or two people talk about using things like this and they seem really cool if they work as advertised. Would this version still get the trick done? It looks like the same thing but with less of the extra modeling app stuff and half the price which makes the prospect of needing an expensive extra tool to make an expensive amp usable to my use case a little easier to swallow I have one that should be arriving today, i'll let you know how the cheaper guy works
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Aug 12, 2020 18:44
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The Captor X is an IR loader; the Captor is an analog based cab sim. Both usable but different approaches. The CX is wild though - played with a guy last year who was using a Bogner/Friedman/Plexi triple head combo into individual Captors and it sounded IMMENSE onstage and through FoH.
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Aug 12, 2020 20:24
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Update: 20dB of attenuation is not enough to tame the JCM800. Going to test the DI recording on the Captor Further update: LOL why in the world is there a speaker built into this thing. This is the dumbest poo poo. Spanish Manlove fucked around with this message at 21:27 on Aug 12, 2020 |
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Aug 12, 2020 20:56
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Wowporn posted:I am curious about these, I've only ever heard one or two people talk about using things like this and they seem really cool if they work as advertised. Would this version still get the trick done? It looks like the same thing but with less of the extra modeling app stuff and half the price which makes the prospect of needing an expensive extra tool to make an expensive amp usable to my use case a little easier to swallow I love mine. Headphone playing is awesome as is DI recording. The -36dB attenuation is actually a bit quiet for playing at home imo*, fortunately you can plug monitors into the headphone jack and use IRs if you want to dial in the volume (your cab speakers aren’t really doing their thing at those volumes anyways). It’s already become something I can just turn on and forget about and just play and enjoy myself. *Tested on a Two Rock 100w and my Ampeg 50w running KT88s biased for 60 actual output watts. Dang It Bhabhi! fucked around with this message at 21:26 on Aug 12, 2020 |
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Aug 12, 2020 21:17
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How the gently caress am I getting feedback when using a loadbox's direct out? This makes no sense. At about 40 seconds I realized it's microphonic feedback as I started pointing my guitar towards and away from the box sitting on my desk https://soundcloud.com/lfranco321/attenuator-caused-noise
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Aug 12, 2020 21:45
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Spanish Manlove posted:How the gently caress am I getting feedback when using a loadbox's direct out? This makes no sense. At about 40 seconds I realized it's microphonic feedback as I started pointing my guitar towards and away from the box sitting on my desk That's not microphonic - at least not from pickups. Sounds more like oscillation in something. What are you running? darkwasthenight fucked around with this message at 21:58 on Aug 12, 2020 |
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Aug 12, 2020 21:55
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Aug 12, 2020 21:57
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Ok, i don't know how but the JCM800 was set to 16ohm instead of 8. Let's try this again because I've never ever touched that knob so I didn't even know it was at 16 not 8 this whole time. I'm stupid It was likely providing too much current to the attenuator because of that Edit: Nope still emitting guitar noises with the right impedance selected. Spanish Manlove fucked around with this message at 22:16 on Aug 12, 2020 |
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Aug 12, 2020 22:08
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Spanish Manlove posted:Ok, i don't know how but the JCM800 was set to 16ohm instead of 8. Let's try this again because I've never ever touched that knob so I didn't even know it was at 16 not 8 this whole time. I'm stupid Yup, that'll do it. Will also explain why you were hearing sound from the Captor - it's the stressed transformer trying to blow off the excess voltage in the form of heat and sound. OTs actually do this in amps but you don't usually hear them unless you have it rigged to a dummy load! quote:Edit: Nope still emitting guitar noises with the right impedance selected. Running a 16 ohm output into an 8 ohm load there's a chance you've damaged the OT, the tubes, the load, or all three. Time to get a check up I'm afraid. darkwasthenight fucked around with this message at 22:22 on Aug 12, 2020 |
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Aug 12, 2020 22:19
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darkwasthenight posted:Running a 16 ohm output into an 8 ohm load there's a chance you've damaged the OT, the tubes, the load, or all three. Time to get a check up I'm afraid. drat, well it sounded fine when I put it at the right impedance. Well I never play the amp anyway so it's no big loss. After the pandemic I'll get it checked out again.
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Aug 12, 2020 22:46
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Also it will still feedback if you put your pickups right up against the output transformer of your amp or near the transformer inside the Captor. They are dissipating so much energy you might be able to actually hear them electromechanically “sing” as you play. It even says this in the manual I think.Spanish Manlove posted:Further update: LOL why in the world is there a speaker built into this thing. This is the dumbest poo poo. I’m assuming you figured out there is no speaker built in? Dang It Bhabhi! fucked around with this message at 23:38 on Aug 12, 2020 |
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Aug 12, 2020 23:36
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The Muppets On PCP posted:https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/TorpedoCapX--two-notes-torpedo-captor-by-reactive-loadbox-di-and-attenuator-8-ohm Wow, a basic tube amp and that thing and we’re into this for a thousand dollars before we even get the obligatory tube screamer and whatever other pedals one would need.... If a modern s/s modeling amp gets me 85% there for $200, it’s not even a contest.
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Aug 13, 2020 00:28
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Yup I learned a lot about physics today
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Aug 13, 2020 00:28
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Firefly is releasing a batch of FF338 on guitar garden sometime in the next couple of days for the people interested
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Aug 13, 2020 01:46
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goodness posted:Firefly is releasing a batch of FF338 on guitar garden sometime in the next couple of days for the people interested Are there different versions of the FFLP? It seems like there’s an elite and something else. I don’t think I’ll go for an FF338 but probably an FFLP.
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Aug 13, 2020 02:01
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This is a weird question but I can't find an easy answer to this. Strat bridge pickups are a different width than middle and neck pickups, right? What's the difference?
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Aug 13, 2020 02:13
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Rolabi Wizenard posted:Wow, a basic tube amp and that thing and we’re into this for a thousand dollars before we even get the obligatory tube screamer and whatever other pedals one would need.... yep it's a tradeoff between price, convenience, and how much that last 15% matters to you
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Rolabi Wizenard posted:Wow, a basic tube amp and that thing and we’re into this for a thousand dollars before we even get the obligatory tube screamer and whatever other pedals one would need.... Oh yeah I absolutely agree, a katana or a copy of bias fx2 will get you so much further if your looking for versatility and have no gear yet, I was very specifically looking at getting a decent tube amp as a way to splurge after being so conservative with my money on all my other musical purchases in the past. Anyways I was gonna hold off for a little while until I got more info on some of this stuff but I was able to get the $500 Marshall I really like for $180, I am 99% sure the shop I got it at thought it was the older version that retails for like $300 new but I can tell it's not cause the older one didn't have separate volume and gain for the clean channel like this one does. I'll still look into that attenuator stuff though, but for now the 1 watt mode and cab emulation built into the headphone jack/direct out will hold me over while my dumb rear end tries to understand that stuff
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Aug 13, 2020 02:33
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Baron von Eevl posted:This is a weird question but I can't find an easy answer to this. Strat bridge pickups are a different width than middle and neck pickups, right? What's the difference? They don't differ in width, but sometimes the polepiece spacing is different for each/some of the pickups.
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Aug 13, 2020 02:36
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my 112J goes out of tune a little easier than I'd like. What's the recommended route for blocking off the trem (i never use it, ever). Block of wood, stack of coins, D Battery or just more springs from ebay?
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Aug 13, 2020 02:56
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If what you want is tubey euphonics and behavior in a home setting—ie you’re not gonna drag your tube amp out to go gigging—and you don’t want to mess with DIY (or maybe you want a hacking/modding platform but you don’t want to scratch-build) how good are the plethora of cheap, sub-$600 tube amps out there? I get that you lose features like multiple channels and especially wattage- but that shouldn’t matter that much at home. I know the mantra often goes ‘cheap guitar + expensive amp beats expensive guitar + cheap amp’—but just in the same way that cheap guitars are often super charismatic and idiosyncratic, can’t cheaper/simpler tube amps potentially be more charming to play with at home than a tricked out monster amp that never breaks a sweat but you also never push very far? This is especially worth considering if you have a Katana or Bias FX or whatever, and can get 90% of the way to any “pro” sound you can imagine, rather than dropping stacks to replicate it in situ (or worse, holding back your $1500 amp with lovely chain components because you could only afford the $1500 amp and not the other $1000 worth of top shelf pedals, etc to really showcase it). There seems to be a trend of lots of stripped-down and simplified stuff, but also a lot of reissues of neat vintage gear. There’s stuff like the VOX AC10C1, Blackstar HT1R, Monoprice amp, Fender Bassbreaker, Supro 8, Tweaker 15, Harmony 8418, Marshall origin, Laney Cub, Fender Pro Junior, etc... Idk, seems more interesting to me than chasing perfect tone with a pricey four-figure tube amp. Tell me all the ways I’m wrong please, I actually have no idea. My most expensive guitar is an Epi Swingster.
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Springs or block of wood are the two main ways but anything you can wedge in between the body and the trem block will work. I probably wouldn't use a battery though, if only because they can leak/corrode.
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Spanish Manlove posted:Yup I learned a lot about physics today ?
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Chip McFuck posted:They don't differ in width, but sometimes the polepiece spacing is different for each/some of the pickups. Good to know! I was thinking about that Harley Benton Mustang-esque guitar I really shouldn't buy and whether I'd need to get replacement "bridge" pickups for both pickups since they're both angled. From the looks of it it would be strat replacement pickups since they mount to the pickguard instead of directly to the body.
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Weird thing that makes me and a bunch of other people on the internet nervous: to actually use headphones/the emulated out on this Marshall you have to disconnect the speaker completely. It is supposed to not blow up if you do that, as it’s designed to be used that way, but still...
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Wowporn posted:Weird thing that makes me and a bunch of other people on the internet nervous: to actually use headphones/the emulated out on this Marshall you have to disconnect the speaker completely. It is supposed to not blow up if you do that, as it’s designed to be used that way, but still... The manual is far more vague on how that works than I'd personally like, but it will be safe if you do it sensibly. Don't disconnect or connect while the amp is on and keep it in low power mode. Tube amps are generally tougher than they are made out to be, especially low wattage ones made with decent components. I've inadvertently left my Hayden running at low power without a load for at least an hour before now and it survived. Not that I would recommend risking it!
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Baron von Eevl posted:This is a weird question but I can't find an easy answer to this. Strat bridge pickups are a different width than middle and neck pickups, right? What's the difference? Siivola fucked around with this message at 07:26 on Aug 13, 2020 |
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Wowporn posted:Weird thing that makes me and a bunch of other people on the internet nervous: to actually use headphones/the emulated out on this Marshall you have to disconnect the speaker completely. It is supposed to not blow up if you do that, as it’s designed to be used that way, but still... 
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Wowporn posted:Weird thing that makes me and a bunch of other people on the internet nervous: to actually use headphones/the emulated out on this Marshall you have to disconnect the speaker completely. It is supposed to not blow up if you do that, as it’s designed to be used that way, but still... My Blackstar head is the same. It just feels so wrong
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Aug 13, 2020 08:57
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My old (electric) Teisco has hundreds of miles put on it just played unplugged, no amplification. A big "no thanks" to playing a guitar through headphones for me.
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Aug 13, 2020 10:33
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https://www.ebay.com/str/guitarsgardenmusic?fbclid=IwAR0hvY6eP5uQzndrJ_Pi4ceIUx38lVLaEYHp8aMI9D2KSMUHTAs3GF0vCF0 Cases for the FFLP and FF338 are up
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Ok Comboomer posted:If what you want is tubey euphonics and behavior in a home setting—ie you’re not gonna drag your tube amp out to go gigging—and you don’t want to mess with DIY (or maybe you want a hacking/modding platform but you don’t want to scratch-build) how good are the plethora of cheap, sub-$600 tube amps out there? I don't see anything wrong with that realm of amps personally. They have a few inconveniences for the musician at home sure (often no headphone out, no built-in FX, no line-in, no tuner, et cetera). Still I've eyed up almost all of those amps at one point or another in my life, and haven't really stopped being tempted by them. I've got just enough pedals that I could have a good time with any of those now too. That said, I think the main argument we'd use around here is that people will save money (and have an easier time in general) by going with one of the beloved modeling amps instead. So, I don't know, maybe my advice would be everyone should really get a Squier and a Katana or THR or whatever, but after that go bananas. Those Swingsters are super cool, by the way. I've been on a guitar safari as I've mentioned, so now I'll add a dozen or so to my Reverb Watch List.
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nitsuga posted:I don't see anything wrong with that realm of amps personally. They have a few inconveniences for the musician at home sure (often no headphone out, no built-in FX, no line-in, no tuner, et cetera). Still I've eyed up almost all of those amps at one point or another in my life, and haven't really stopped being tempted by them. I've got just enough pedals that I could have a good time with any of those now too. Yeah, that’s basically my take. A flagship-quality modeling amp in 2020 will take you to more places, more reliably, and for less money than investing in flagship-quality tube gear. So for the price of a $2k tube setup (there’s also a lot of great tube gear in the $500-$1k range, although those are almost all heads so you’re budgeting in the price of a cabinet in a lot of those cases) I’d much rather get a Katana Artist or something like that, maybe get a decent cabinet and a bunch of nice effects, and then maybe accumulate a bunch of less expensive amps “with character”. Kind of like how I’d rather have a roomful of weird Squiers and MIM Fenders than one Custom Shop/Road Worn/limited edition dealie. And the Swingster’s a great guitar, but the E decal on the pickguard kept coming unglued for a while  .
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