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Lostconfused posted:You know that NDP are just a different flavor of succ and they would fold just like any other social democrat party when give power. They didn't in BC in the 70s so I say we build a time machine and
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Remember when the NDP actually had enough lead in its pencil that its leader was being tailed by the CIA and RCMP?
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Aug 13, 2020 15:32
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I will never not vote NDP federally, but just lol at the thought of them winning the election.
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Rutibex posted:it would be the NDP ... not the succ libs lol boy, do i have some bad news for you
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Aug 13, 2020 15:50
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Stickarts posted:Remember when the NDP actually had enough lead in its pencil that its leader was being tailed by the CIA and RCMP? the NDP started as a communist uprising in Winnipeg 1918. Many of the first leaders of the party were arrested on charges of conspiracy to overthrow the government. They are less cool today 
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nevermind i'm dumb
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Aug 13, 2020 15:54
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I give it ten years before the libs and ndp make a coalition to get a majority government, merge parties, and nobody aside from a handful of ndp voters will care.
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Fashionable Jorts posted:I give it ten years before the libs and ndp make a coalition to get a majority government, merge parties, and nobody aside from a handful of ndp voters will care. Conservatives will literally shout R A E D A Y S until their cold hate filled hearts die of old age in our publicly funded hospitals
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Slotducks posted:Conservatives will literally shout R A E D A Y S until their cold hate filled hearts die of old age in our publicly funded hospitals Bob Rae gave me an extra week of march break. this is my only experience of NDP governance, and i liked it
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Aug 13, 2020 16:08
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Imagine looking at the Liberal party and thinking 'the NDP are just as bad' Give your drat heads a shake
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Aug 13, 2020 16:10
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Of course not, they'd have to be a ruling party first.
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Aug 13, 2020 16:12
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The NDP has been real useless in this minority government
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linoleum floors posted:The NDP has been real useless in this minority government CERB was NDP policy first, as was the extension. But go on...
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Aug 13, 2020 16:34
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You don't vote for the NDP to win, you vote for the NDP for them to be popular enough that the Liberals have to implement then steal credit for the good policies.
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Aug 13, 2020 17:06
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Hand Knit posted:You don't vote for the NDP to win, you vote for the NDP for them to be popular enough that the Liberals have to implement then steal credit for the good policies. 
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Aug 13, 2020 17:14
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Hand Knit posted:You don't vote for the NDP to win, you vote for the NDP for them to be popular enough that the Liberals have to implement then steal credit for the good policies. My riding has been NDP for over a decade 
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Aug 13, 2020 17:29
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My riding was NDP for the longest time until everyone ~strategically voted~ for Trudeau and now our MP might as well not exist for all I've seen of him. Also the VA for Aisha Clan Clan ran for NDP leadership, lost, and immediately bounced over to the liberals so theres that
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Aug 13, 2020 17:35
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I’ve literally never voted for a winning candidate at any level in the 15 years I’ve been an eligible voter. 0/10.
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Aug 13, 2020 17:43
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Stickarts posted:I’ve literally never voted for a winning candidate at any level in the 15 years I’ve been an eligible voter. 0/10. Use your c-spam knowledge and run for office on the platform of “my opponent sucks and I will give you what you want”
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Aug 13, 2020 18:00
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 This mural in Calgary was going to be painted over with a new Black Lives Matter mural. The original artist was OK with it, but the plan's on hold for a few months as they look for a new location because the new artists were getting so many death threats.
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Aug 13, 2020 22:23
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i voted for the lib candidate over the ndp candidate in my area in 2015 because the lib candidate was a much better person overall, i do not regret this
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Aug 13, 2020 22:37
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Hand Knit posted:You don't vote for the NDP to win, you vote for the NDP for them to be popular enough that the Liberals have to implement then steal credit for the good policies. exactly. the job of the NDP is to pull the libs left and 2011 broke the brains of the party and many of its supporters into thinking their job was to win. They hosed up the last two elections by becoming almost indistinguishable from the liberals and making ~strategic voting~ a no brainer but maybe they learned their lesson.
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Chamale posted:
The original artist should touch it up a bit, by painting the hands black.
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Aug 14, 2020 01:24
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should I stop donating to the ndp? I just want things to be better
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prom candy posted:should I stop donating to the ndp? I just want things to be better apparently leftists are planning on brigading the green party before a leadership vote, anyone got any ideas if that could work?
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Aug 14, 2020 04:33
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The votes from a marginal group for a marginal party are likely to have marginal impact. If Canada is so far north why aren't we in the cool zone yet?
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Aug 14, 2020 09:13
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xtal posted:If Canada is so far north why aren't we in the cool zone yet? turns out you only need a mild social safety net to keep people out of the streets?
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yippee cahier posted:apparently leftists are planning on brigading the green party before a leadership vote, anyone got any ideas if that could work? Oh Christ - now the left is going to be split between the NDP and the Greens? gently caress me just start a labour party and actually build from there.
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Aug 14, 2020 13:32
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NDP was the labour party
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and the greens are tories with subsidized hybrids
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The problem with the NDP is that they're as much a neoliberal party as the others at this point, not that they "try to win elections". Just a different coat of paint on the same failing political philosophy. Jagmeet Singh won his leadership race promising to enact means testing on old age security.
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The thing about the NDP is that they aspired to be a labour party constituted along the same lines as the British Labour Party. The NDP's affiliation with labour unions peaked within about 15 years of its founding, and even affiliated unions often struggled to consistently get their own members to vote for the NDP. Some major industrial unions like the Steelworkers and CAW were tightly integrated into the party (the Steelworkers still are, the CAW's successor union Unifor is very much not) but this partnership was always strongest at the leadership level - members of the union bureaucracy had an ideological commitment to the NDP and viewed it as "their" party. However, while union members were more likely to vote NDP they mostly voted for the Liberals and Conservatives. The hope that Canadians could be enticed into voting along class lines never panned out: workers continued to largely support the bourgeois parties, as did many labour unions. The NDP did maintain an important alliance with the leadership of a significant fraction of the union movement in Canada but they were never able to achieve their original ambition of creating a true labour party. Additionally, the role of labour unions within the NDP is complicated. Contrary to what one might hope the unions that dominant the NDP have tended to be very cautious and incrementalist. They haven't exactly been pushing the party toward a more radical platform.
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yippee cahier posted:apparently leftists are planning on brigading the green party before a leadership vote, anyone got any ideas if that could work? No way that can work. The lib succ is way stronger in the greens. They have some stuff going well for them, but they aren't about to start pushing pro-labour stuff, and most of their base isn't going to want to. It's a real shame, but honestly the greens are the equivalent of buying a Prius and then deciding that makes you a good environmentalist. They are pro-capital at the end of the day.
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yippee cahier posted:apparently leftists are planning on brigading the green party before a leadership vote, anyone got any ideas if that could work?
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leftists should be pushing to divide the right vote between more parties than the left is split between
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Sometimes when I smoke weed I daydream about starting an explicitly red tory party that stresses voting your conscious and makes appeals to moderate/progressive religious Canadians, in the hopes of peeling enough votes away in central/eastern Canada and making Conservatives unelectable.
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that's better than my plan which was to go full extreme right wing racist nazi in the hopes that I don't get elected, then if I do immediately do a 180 and pass space communism while branding everything as not-communist
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Another Bill posted:Sometimes when I smoke weed I daydream about starting an explicitly red tory party that stresses voting your conscious and makes appeals to moderate/progressive religious Canadians, in the hopes of peeling enough votes away in central/eastern Canada and making Conservatives unelectable. i think someone may have beat you to it
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