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euphronius posted:Your response is internally incoherent How much time exists between 5 pm and 5:59 pm? And is 5:59 pm later than 5 pm?
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Yo, did the original text specify time zones? Wondering why Kanye didn’t just hop on Kanye Air and Kanyeet himself west until he could submit before 5PM again
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Aug 13, 2020 00:48
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Kalman posted:How much time exists between 5 pm and 5:59 pm? And is 5:59 pm later than 5 pm? It says no later than 5 pm It’s very clear. I suppose they meant to say “shall be filed before 5pm” which would be different but that’s not what they wrote
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Aug 13, 2020 00:49
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euphronius posted:It says no later than 5 pm That’s not an answer. Is 5:59 pm later than 5 pm?
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Aug 13, 2020 00:57
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As a scientist, you all are killing me. There's a reason sig figs are a thing. 5pm != 5:00 pm != 5:00:00 pm. I pity the judge that has to arbitrate this. Surely there's some precedent, right? This can't be the first time this has ever come up?
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Aug 13, 2020 00:59
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Kalman posted:That’s not an answer. Is 5:59 pm later than 5 pm? Yes obviously lamo
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Aug 13, 2020 01:15
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euphronius posted:5 pm exists for exactly 60 seconds it isn’t a physics mystery or anything. Why 60 seconds? What is your citation for that? Why is 5:00:37pm 5pm, and 5:59pm not 5pm? Why can you truncate seconds, but not minutes? Why are we truncating instead of rounding?
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Aug 13, 2020 01:16
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These are laughable even sanctionable arguments
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Aug 13, 2020 01:18
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euphronius posted:These are laughable even sanctionable arguments
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Aug 13, 2020 01:18
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I've been a member of two drinking clubs which gives me defacto bar membership status. 5pm is 5:00:00pm. Anything after 5:00:00 is later than 5pm.
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Aug 13, 2020 01:20
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On second thought your question “how long is “5pm” ?” Is a good one And now I think yes it could last until 5:59:59 So Kanye is again right
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Aug 13, 2020 01:22
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A poptart is a sandwich wait wrong argument
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Aug 13, 2020 01:23
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VanSandman posted:A poptart is a sandwich Is it, though? The wrong argument, I mean.
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Aug 13, 2020 01:25
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VanSandman posted:A poptart is a sandwich https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nix_v._Hedden
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Aug 13, 2020 01:25
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Are you proposing a tomato-based poptart Mods, please
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Aug 13, 2020 01:27
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VanSandman posted:A poptart is a sandwich  A poptart is ravioli.
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Aug 13, 2020 01:28
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Outrail posted:A poptart is ravioli. Oh, that’d maybe make a tomato-based poptart a calzone? Good enough, I’m back on board. e: as long as I receive my poptart calzone after 5pm and before 6:00:00pm on the nose
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Aug 13, 2020 01:38
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the argument that the kanye campaign is making is slightly more subtle it's that the state law simply doesn't recognize seconds: the smallest unit it recognizes is the minute. so the state law "sees" it as 5:00 for sixty seconds and simply does not recognize a difference between those seconds, just like you don't bother to specify milliseconds. had kanye's packet landed on the desk at 5:00:00 according to that state law (which clearly includes "5pm" as an acceptable time) it would not be an issue that you were a millisecond late. so basically the steps in the logical chain are the following: 1) the language of the statute is up to and including 5pm, so if you get it in at exactly 5pm (however defined) you have made a timely submission. i agree with this 2) the state law/statute simply does not recognize seconds, only minutes, so "5pm" according to the local interpretation is 5:00:00 - 5:00:59. this, well, there's probably some law on it? who knows. the alternative interpretation is the state law does not recognize units of time below the second but does recognize the second, so if your packet hits the desk at 5:00:00 you are on time, regardless of the millisecond. 3) since they got it in between 5:00:00-5:00:59 they got it in "at 5pm" it all hinges on (2), and there is certainly law on the subject in wisconsin. either down to the second or down to the minute is reasonable, but there is certainly a longstanding answer to the question in Wisconsin law or precedent
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Aug 13, 2020 01:41
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There a winking argument as I’ve said but hopefully he loses anyway
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Aug 13, 2020 01:43
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Is this the part of the thread where we talk about half button presses
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Aug 13, 2020 01:44
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Timeliness of filing is a huge issue and often litigated I don’t know why you think this is a joke !?
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Aug 13, 2020 01:45
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This is why I didn't bite when they were trying to tell the engineers to go to law school I would have thrown down over this in court. disjoe posted:Is this the part of the thread where we talk about half button presses "on_click" is different from "on_press" is different from "on_release" fight me
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Aug 13, 2020 01:47
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I was totally of the opinion that would have litigated to hell and back due to the number of high money tenders out there. I've done tender delivery back when I was a junior engineer and usually they were sending you off to beat things by a few hours, but there were rare occasions where you were sprinting in the door with the deadline looming. For each of those one minute late situations someone is pissed that they got rejected or someone else is pissed that they got accepted. So, in Canada, it looks like things have been litigated but they are split as to whether stuff between the hour and a minute after are on time. The examples are all in different provinces. https://patrylaw.ca/government-procurement-bidding-tendering/late-bids/ I'm sure there's a bunch of case law in the states.
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Aug 13, 2020 01:48
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1) Kanye is a joke 2) This forum is a joke Hence therefore ergo ipso facto vini vidi vici sigma cum loudly, euphronius posted:this is a joke
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Aug 13, 2020 01:49
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Outrail posted:
Wrong. It's a calzone. 
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Aug 13, 2020 01:59
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I'm with Euph and Kanye. Ride or Die.
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Aug 13, 2020 02:04
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VanSandman posted:Wrong. It's a calzone. Tacos and burritos are sandwiches. And if there is meat on top of toast it's an open faced sandwich. A poptart is a pocket sandwich with jelly inside.
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Aug 13, 2020 02:08
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VanSandman posted:Wrong. It's a calzone. Is a taquito sushi?
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Aug 13, 2020 02:14
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blarzgh posted:I'm with Euph and Kanye. Ride or Die. I KNEW the real lawyers would agree!!!
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Aug 13, 2020 04:31
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VanSandman posted:Wrong. It's a calzone. Oright mate you wanna go or what?
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Aug 13, 2020 05:26
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VanSandman posted:Wrong. It's a calzone.   Is this that cake meme?
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Aug 13, 2020 06:07
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We would just use 17:00 (don't have am/pm) which avoids that entire nonsense.
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Aug 13, 2020 06:11
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It's not the AM/PM that is the issue here, and 17:00 would still be victim to someone turning it in at 17:00:14, which is what happened.
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Aug 13, 2020 06:20
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Really seems like deadline law should be written as “before” instead of “no later than” Also I’m now thinking of going to law school to specialize in deadline law
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Aug 13, 2020 06:29
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Yeah but it's not in the PM though so the clock stops at 17.
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Aug 13, 2020 06:29
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Outrail posted:Oright mate you wanna go or what? I will fight all of you all at once, especially when you realize I believe sheet cake to be a type of toast and come at me with your law books and student debt.
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Aug 13, 2020 16:36
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Nice piece of fish posted:Yeah but it's not in the PM though so the clock stops at 17. So you are saying that it is the presence of the pm that implies the entire duration of the first minute of the hour?
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Aug 13, 2020 16:43
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RobrtDwnsySyndrome posted:
Sandwich chart is prompting a lot of questions already answered by sandwich chart.
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Aug 13, 2020 19:15
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In any situation that doesn't deal with explicit sig figs, zeros are implied. 5 is 5.0000.., 12.058 is 12.05800000.. 4cm is 4.0000.. cm. 6.5 kilos is 6.500000.. kilos and 5:00pm is 5:00:00.000000.. pm No where ever do we assume otherwise. A weight limit of 2lbs means that 2.2lbs is over limit. You can try and drive your vehicle with a height of 12'10" under a bridge with a height limit of 12', but you might have a bad time. Try and bring a contain with 2.8oz of liquid onto a plane when the limit is 2oz. They'll probably tell you to gently caress off. No where else is a zero not assumed when unspecified. I have no idea how this is at all a debate. If we didn't assume zeros, then you can change the definition by simply changing the unit. Have a weight limit of 4000lbs on a road? Change the units to tons and now carry 2.6 tons because that's still 2 tons. Look at how irrationally annoyed I am about something so petty and dumb. This is probably not healthy.
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If I'm a betting man, Kanye's team did that on purpose just to get the extra media coverage.
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