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| Biden |
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425 | 18.06% |
| Trump |
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105 | 4.46% |
| whoever the Green Party runs |
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307 | 13.05% |
| GOOGLE RON PAUL |
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151 | 6.42% |
| Bernie Sanders |
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346 | 14.70% |
| Stalin |
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246 | 10.45% |
| Satan |
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300 | 12.75% |
| Nobody |
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202 | 8.58% |
| Jess Scarane |
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110 | 4.67% |
| mystery man Brian Carroll of the American Solidarity Party |
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61 | 2.59% |
| Dick Nixon |
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100 | 4.25% |
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Nitrousoxide posted:I don't get it. Pakleds are considered the dumb space-faring people in star trek and are easily fooled. It's not a great analogy because they aren't exactly dumb. They know enough to keep up their idiot image and use that as a guise to trick others, stealing their tech and kidnapping specialists to fix their broken poo poo.
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:I really wish I could. Since January 20, 2017 I've daydreamed about moving abroad to a more socialist place like Switzerland or Norway and I've tended to live vicariously through watching travel programs like Rick Steves' Europe. At the moment, though, I just don't have the financial means. I don't even have a passport. NZ most certainly has weaknesses, we're definitely not as good as we'd like to think we are on issues like race-relations but for the most part in my experience, NZ has been a fantastic wonderful place to live in. We've also got MMP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed-member_proportional_representation which gives more power to smaller political groups outside the dominant central two parties. This can lead to some cases of the 'tail wagging the dog' so to speak but it's definitely easier to have at least some of your interests represented on a national level.
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Aug 15, 2020 01:50
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I don't think that this looks as good as Harris('s team) thinks it does. https://twitter.com/michael_david41/status/1294129542294941696 (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Aug 15, 2020 01:56
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/13/opinion/conservative-radicals.htmlDavid Brooks posted:I am not as alarmed. I’m convinced that the forces that brought Joe Biden the nomination are far more powerful than a few extremists in Portland and even the leftist illiberals on campus. I’m hopeful that if given power, Biden, Kamala Harris, Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer will forge a new conservative radicalism. I've never been less hopeful for the future.
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Aug 15, 2020 02:37
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Roland Jones posted:I don't think that this looks as good as Harris('s team) thinks it does. Like people have been saying, a snake.
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Aug 15, 2020 03:13
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Zanziabar posted:So to summarise the discourse within the thread you have four (4) options avaliable in the upcoming elections Reality is, most people in the US can't move for one reason or another. That's an extreme privilege that supports only a select lucky few. We're essentially stuck here. So we either struggle to try and make something better for ourselves, or we become a defunct hellstate with nukes with all the global terror that ensues. Well, maybe not that extreme, I can't predict anything, but things breaking down to a point where even states cannot function with one another in a bid for survival doesn't bode well for that stockpile.
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Aug 15, 2020 03:16
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Logic Probed posted:Reality is, most people in the US can't move for one reason or another. That's an extreme privilege that supports only a select lucky few. We're essentially stuck here. So we either struggle to try and make something better for ourselves, or we become a defunct hellstate with nukes with all the global terror that ensues. Well, maybe not that extreme, I can't predict anything, but things breaking down to a point where even states cannot function with one another in a bid for survival doesn't bode well for that stockpile. Hows living in Mexico for Americans? There are supposedly 1 million living there now.
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Aug 15, 2020 03:17
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The argument of "progressives just aren't reliable" is just such horseshit gaslighting. If we had a viable labor party who took the side of the people, they would absolutely recieve votes. Bernie, for all his faults, built an independent labor focused campaign from literally nothing. Can you imagine if the DNC had the same energy and policies the sheer amount they could accomplish?? I'm not talking about extremely online Bernie weirdos, either. I'm talking about the working class families I met while canvassing who had never voted before but were excited by what he was proposing.
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Aug 15, 2020 03:29
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Roland Jones posted:I don't think that this looks as good as Harris('s team) thinks it does. So did she actually say 'i was lying' as the quotes imply here after this video ended, or did the tweeter make it up
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Aug 15, 2020 04:28
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MonsieurChoc posted:How about the Democrat use their ressources to support massive worker action to save the post office? It’s something they could do to help. So this I think is a really important point. There is a lot more that the democratic party in general and democratic legislators in particular can do than just try to pass legislation. They have a huge platform, they have enormous resources, they have lists of names of people who are known to be down to organize stuff. We have people in the streets right now risking life and limb to protest poo poo these folks say they want. Why don't we expect them to show even one tenth the courage of the protesters in the street? Stage a sit in somewhere, lead protests to Republican congresscritters' homes, buy out restaurants out so that there is nowhere in DC that republicans can go to eat lunch until they get off their asses and help unfuck things. Why do we expect so little of them?
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Aug 15, 2020 04:41
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Arturo Ui posted:So did she actually say 'i was lying' as the quotes imply here after this video ended, or did the tweeter make it up Nah the tweet was misleading and isn't a contemporary video. It's from a month ago, when the VP rumors started. Her saying "it's just a debate" and laughing when asked about her Biden debate comments is true, though.
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Aug 15, 2020 04:49
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Arturo Ui posted:So did she actually say 'i was lying' as the quotes imply here after this video ended, or did the tweeter make it up no it's just her saying "it was a debate" in different ways until the question gets dropped
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Aug 15, 2020 04:55
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The lying part isnt verbatim, but there's not exactly a variety of ways to interpret her response.
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Aug 15, 2020 05:05
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Zanziabar posted:So to summarise the discourse within the thread you have four (4) options avaliable in the upcoming elections You should go gently caress yourself. Saying "you all should move" as if it's that easy to switch countries if you aren't rich or highly skilled. Like none of us have ever loving thought of that before. Like, why are you even here? Just to rub how awesome NZ is in our faces? Like we don't know that either? That's my nihilistic poo poo-post.
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Aug 15, 2020 05:18
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Queering Wheel posted:You should go gently caress yourself. Saying "you all should move" as if it's that easy to switch countries if you aren't rich or highly skilled. Like none of us have ever loving thought of that before. Like, why are you even here? Just to rub how awesome NZ is in our faces? Like we don't know that either? Seems like an aesthetic reason to dislike his post.
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Aug 15, 2020 05:24
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Fame Douglas posted:I suggest reading the article. I did, the party sucks.
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Aug 15, 2020 05:41
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copy posted:So this I think is a really important point. There is a lot more that the democratic party in general and democratic legislators in particular can do than just try to pass legislation. They have a huge platform, they have enormous resources, they have lists of names of people who are known to be down to organize stuff. We have people in the streets right now risking life and limb to protest poo poo these folks say they want. Why don't we expect them to show even one tenth the courage of the protesters in the street? Stage a sit in somewhere, lead protests to Republican congresscritters' homes, buy out restaurants out so that there is nowhere in DC that republicans can go to eat lunch until they get off their asses and help unfuck things. Yeah, that's my point. There's plenty of things they could do aside from just voting on laws, but they won't do it. Remember when Obama said he'd be on the picket lines?
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Aug 15, 2020 06:49
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Zanziabar posted:That sucks US Goon, I hope no matter what happens in november that your health circumstances & the wider COVID-19 situation improve sufficiently enough that you can move sometime in the future. Basically, that was the point of my post. If the political situation in your home country has become so bad that there are no more good options then you need to leave. Maybe not today, or tomorrow or even a year from now but as soon as you're able. That's the thing. It's almost certainly "never" for me. I fully expect to be stuck here until I die. My heart got hosed up for no reason that any doctor has ever been able to conclusively determine (their best guess is that a cold I had managed to infect it), so despite being quite healthy otherwise, and my heart having improved quite a bit over the last four and a half years, having a history of cardiomyopathy and heart failure is something that's pretty much a blanket ban on immigrating to a ton of places due to excessive burden rules. The best I've found is going to Germany and signing on for their Basistarif, but I can't really afford €736/month for health insurance premiums, and those plans don't cover nursing care, which I may very well need at some point.
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Aug 15, 2020 09:18
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I'm destitute and trans so I'm stuck here until we make this place better or it kills meStratGoatCom posted:Option 5 - join the protests, feed people, build alternate power. That's the only one really left at this point.
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Aug 15, 2020 09:43
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Is the idea that if a decent number of people vote 3rd party because Biden is center-right and Trump gets re-elected, then people will be even more incensed and we grow support for real progressive policies? I follow the argument that we shouldn’t vote Biden just as an anti-Trump vote, but I’m having trouble connecting that with subsequent policies changes.
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Aug 15, 2020 10:13
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The idea is to discredit the party establishment and the idea that 'moderate' centre-right Democrats who refuse to pass popular and necessary policy are 'electable'. That the moderate Republican swing voter is a fiction invented as an excuse to push ever farther right.
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Aug 15, 2020 10:22
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Ghost Leviathan posted:The idea is to discredit the party establishment and the idea that 'moderate' centre-right Democrats who refuse to pass popular and necessary policy are 'electable'. That the moderate Republican swing voter is a fiction invented as an excuse to push ever farther right.
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Aug 15, 2020 10:30
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Josh Lyman posted:Couldn’t the argument that people tried to do that in 2016 and the party went the opposite direction by nominating Biden? Or was it not enough? Do we need like a 10% third party vote or something to effect change? The primary is completely different from the general. This primary, there was a youth surge of about 10% after all the fuckery with suppressing the youth vote (fewer polling places in and around campuses, sudden covid school closures screwing with voter registration and proof of residence requirements). The problem was the cable news zombies with Trump Derangement Syndrome surged 30% and were merely concerned with "orange man bad". Again, primary and general are different voter bases and not comparable.
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Aug 15, 2020 12:31
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Arturo Ui posted:So did she actually say 'i was lying' as the quotes imply here after this video ended, or did the tweeter make it up
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Aug 15, 2020 12:39
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Neurolimal posted:The lying part isnt verbatim, but there's not exactly a variety of ways to interpret her response.
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Aug 15, 2020 12:43
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CSM posted:I interpret her response as saying "it was a (primary) debate", and having different in opinions and 'attacking' eachother is the whole point. Why else hold primaries and debates? What would you call holding certain stances and qualms at one point, and then revealing later that you only held those stances and qualms for contrarian purposes? I'd call it lying about what you support for short-term gain, personally.
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Aug 15, 2020 12:48
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Josh Lyman posted:Is the idea that if a decent number of people vote 3rd party because Biden is center-right and Trump gets re-elected, then people will be even more incensed and we grow support for real progressive policies? I follow the argument that we shouldn’t vote Biden just as an anti-Trump vote, but I’m having trouble connecting that with subsequent policies changes. In the end, barely any people will actually vote third party, and no one will care. Unless it is really close and Trump succeeds in stealing the election, then the people voting third part will just get part of the blame again.
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Aug 15, 2020 12:52
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Neurolimal posted:What would you call holding certain stances and qualms at one point, and then revealing later that you only held those stances and qualms for contrarian purposes?
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Aug 15, 2020 12:54
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CSM posted:It's enlarging differences that exist between politicians to allow people to make a choice between those politicians. Joe Biden is very likely a rapist, I say while running against him. It was just a debate, I say while hoping Clinton's major donors impress upon Biden how important it is I am selected as VP.
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Aug 15, 2020 13:16
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spunkshui posted:On the other hand, voting is cool and good and got us legal weed. Good thing the DNC Committee voted 2:1 two weeks ago to make legalization not a priority. https://twitter.com/wideofthepost/status/1287938340306726912?s=21
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Aug 15, 2020 13:54
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Roland Jones posted:I don't think that this looks as good as Harris('s team) thinks it does. Why is the "I was lying" bit included in the quotation? She never says that in the video.
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Aug 15, 2020 14:04
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CSM posted:Voting third party is a fantastic idea that helped Bush and Trump come to power. And actually gave a number of Clinton supporters an argument to deny the failings of their candidate. "It was Jill Stein that cost Clinton the election, not her own incompetence!" The Supreme Court elected Bush in 2000 and Gore didn’t challenge it due to norms. As for third parties being the reason why Trump won, you might have a point there if you think that Libertarians are more ideologically in-line with the Democratic Party; however, you’re going to have to do some heavy lifting and show your work for that one.
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Aug 15, 2020 14:10
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Phone posted:Good thing the DNC Committee voted 2:1 two weeks ago to make legalization not a priority. Even without the mail system fuckery, I was defaulting to a Trump win. https://twitter.com/marceelias/status/1294479483983073281 As it advances, it just makes it more likely to be a bigger win, TBH. StratGoatCom fucked around with this message at 14:34 on Aug 15, 2020 |
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Aug 15, 2020 14:18
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MonsieurChoc posted:How about the Democrat use their ressources to support massive worker action to save the post office? It’s something they could do to help.
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Aug 15, 2020 14:56
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CSM posted:Voting third party is a fantastic idea that helped Bush and Trump come to power. And actually gave a number of Clinton supporters an argument to deny the failings of their candidate. "It was Jill Stein that cost Clinton the election, not her own incompetence!" I like how you're arguing that nobody's going to vote third party, it won't affect anything, and nobody will care, while simultaneously arguing that it's incredibly dangerous, directly lead to W and Trump, and everyone is going to hate third party voters when the Dems snatch defeat from the jaws of victory (again.) So which is it?
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Aug 15, 2020 15:00
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Falstaff posted:I like how you're arguing that nobody's going to vote third party, it won't affect anything, and nobody will care, while simultaneously arguing that it's incredibly dangerous, directly lead to W and Trump, and everyone is going to hate third party voters when the Dems snatch defeat from the jaws of victory (again.) “The democracy of America is at stake in this election; therefore, if you live in a swing state you must vote for Biden.” Not “you should”, not “it’d be nice if”. You “must”. You “need”. Remember, the freedom of choosing your elected representatives is at stake.
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Aug 15, 2020 15:13
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Josh Lyman posted:Is the idea that if a decent number of people vote 3rd party because Biden is center-right and Trump gets re-elected, then people will be even more incensed and we grow support for real progressive policies? I follow the argument that we shouldn’t vote Biden just as an anti-Trump vote, but I’m having trouble connecting that with subsequent policies changes. What it boils down to is that the greed of the donors that run the democratic establishment is too great to ever give even the smallest inch to the progressives. We will fight fight and fight and it will only get worse. They will capitulate to the republicans because that also makes money for their donors. The donors win either way. If there is a republican their taxes get cut and their regulations get cut. If the democrats get in they also protect the donors by being innefectual and only ever throwing the most meager crumbs to the citizens. The way it works is the republicans cut taxes to the bone. then democrats get in because it tanks the economy and they raise taxes but just not back to where it was and they make it permanent. Basically what I am saying is that nothing really matters. You either have a neoliberal poo poo bird or a straight up fascist and both of them serve the elites. If you arent an elite you are hosed.
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Aug 15, 2020 15:14
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Inferior Third Season posted:Strikes only work when management actually wants labor to do their jobs. Any worker action by the USPS now would be effectively union busting themselves. You could say that about any public sector strike in recent memory. Post Office should go on strike. People aren't gonna stand for not getting any mail anymore.
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Aug 15, 2020 15:16
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CSM posted:Voting third party is a fantastic idea that helped Bush and Trump come to power. And actually gave a number of Clinton supporters an argument to deny the failings of their candidate. "It was Jill Stein that cost Clinton the election, not her own incompetence!" They shouldn't get any of the blame. The DNC putting their finger on the scale in concert with the MSM pushing a neoliberal shitbird on top of running a tone deaf VP choice. It is their fault, not the fault of the people that didn't like the bullshit they are serving up.
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Republicans are a short term investment strategy, filled with risk and huge payouts. Democrats are a long term investment strategy, for those who consolidate their earnings over time. Neither strategy works if you dont have any loving money.
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