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This is patently not true. The internet we have today is driven by mass media and mass commerce. There is no paucity of that data. I want to buy your secondhand ship that you advertised, is the bread and butter of data running. The game is planned to have the equivalents of Youtube, Amazon and Ebay. We know of Sharrington Cross and Epulae Dining at least, there will likely be more. There is also passenger services and the adverting / payments / booking of those. There will be databases that track players and their activity, their criminality for example. If you commit a crime in one system that data will be carried to other local database systems and so you may be able to keep in front of your criminal record, that is the reason for bounty hunters, it is unlikely there will be a shortage of that information.

People insist to think of the PU as merely trading and fighting.. it's not going to be that way. There will be tourism and local annual events - Sporting events like Murray Cup to stream around the verse. The Opera House on Mars to go see. Fashion Week at Prime on Terra II. Politics and local factional rivalries all of this information streamed around the verse day by day, perhaps even hour by hour. We know we can buy property in the game, apartments, houses etc. How do you find out about these being available and local price fluctuations? Advertising. We see it already in the game now, they go to the trouble of making ship adverts for sales. Right now it is static, but it won't be in the future.

The reason for data runners is because Chris decreed there is no FTL transmission from system to system. Data has to be physically carried through jump gates and only transmitted by comms relays once it has arrived in system. Ships will carry information for interpersonal transactions (the mail), mas media, mass commerce, the news, intelligence gathering etc The list is endless, it has nothing to do with scarcity it has everything to do with perceived value.

The Reliant MAKO News Van is clearly telling us that not only will CIG be adding to the constant stream of data piles, but players will be too. Not all cameras will be attached to ships. All that info scrolling on the screens at the local TDD will have to be manually hauled just like mail bags of old on the pony express. The one thing we can be sure there will never be a shortage of anywhere, is data.

Pixelate posted:

So I bought some subscriber-store glasses...

Mirificus posted:

trucutru posted:

Has anybody explained to the backers that "data running" is moronic?

Guess what guys? Even if there is no FTL data transmission in the "verse" light speed is still way faster than any of you dumb ships. B-b-but wormhole jumps, you say? Having a goddamn relay station next to a wormhole that simply receives the beamed data and then sends a data package to a station on the other side of the wormhole is still a billion times faster, cheaper, and more convenient than some dildo-shaped "data runner" taking 2 hours to reach anywhere of importance.

Hammerstein posted:

Creating a game that has a single capital ship operating on such a level would likely require the resources of a triple A game and several years of development. It's all so weird by now.

trucutru posted:

Has anybody explained to the backers that "data running" is moronic?

Mailer posted:

I would absolutely play the capital ship management game, but you're forgetting the original promise - they don't need NPCs because players who weren't faithful enough will mop your capship floors for a wage in the hopes that they too can someday own a spaceship. You'll also need supplies and fuel, so you'll need space gas station attendants who have that same dream. Capable pilots will be eager to sign up to to work for you and man your fighters just to get a taste of what ship ownership is like. They'll all envy you and wish they had the the vision to burn invest a couple grand in 2013.

Hammerstein posted:

How many bought a Javelin cause they thought there will be space girls they can invite to the captain's quarters...

trucutru posted:

Has anybody explained to the backers that "data running" is moronic?

Guess what guys? Even if there is no FTL data transmission in the "verse" light speed is still way faster than any of you dumb ships. B-b-but wormhole jumps, you say? Having a goddamn relay station next to a wormhole that simply receives the beamed data and then sends a data package to a station on the other side of the wormhole is still a billion times faster, cheaper, and more convenient than some dildo-shaped "data runner" taking 2 hours to reach anywhere of importance.

Mirificus posted:

This is patently not true. The internet we have today is driven by mass media and mass commerce. There is no paucity of that data. I want to buy your secondhand ship that you advertised, is the bread and butter of data running. The game is planned to have the equivalents of Youtube, Amazon and Ebay. We know of Sharrington Cross and Epulae Dining at least, there will likely be more. There is also passenger services and the adverting / payments / booking of those. There will be databases that track players and their activity, their criminality for example. If you commit a crime in one system that data will be carried to other local database systems and so you may be able to keep in front of your criminal record, that is the reason for bounty hunters, it is unlikely there will be a shortage of that information.

People insist to think of the PU as merely trading and fighting.. it's not going to be that way. There will be tourism and local annual events - Sporting events like Murray Cup to stream around the verse. The Opera House on Mars to go see. Fashion Week at Prime on Terra II. Politics and local factional rivalries all of this information streamed around the verse day by day, perhaps even hour by hour. We know we can buy property in the game, apartments, houses etc. How do you find out about these being available and local price fluctuations? Advertising. We see it already in the game now, they go to the trouble of making ship adverts for sales. Right now it is static, but it won't be in the future.

The reason for data runners is because Chris decreed there is no FTL transmission from system to system. Data has to be physically carried through jump gates and only transmitted by comms relays once it has arrived in system. Ships will carry information for interpersonal transactions (the mail), mas media, mass commerce, the news, intelligence gathering etc The list is endless, it has nothing to do with scarcity it has everything to do with perceived value.

The Reliant MAKO News Van is clearly telling us that not only will CIG be adding to the constant stream of data piles, but players will be too. Not all cameras will be attached to ships. All that info scrolling on the screens at the local TDD will have to be manually hauled just like mail bags of old on the pony express. The one thing we can be sure there will never be a shortage of anywhere, is data.

tuo posted:

What kind of dog is this?

Hammerstein posted:

LoL I watched some Star Citizen again, cause of a German mag article (Gamestar, the mag with the most rabid SC believers). I have been out of the loop for a while....so they took in 15 mill in May 2020 alone, selling the Idris and Javelin, none of them flyable? Isn't the Idris in the production pipeline since 2012?

The whole capital ship sales pitch is mind boggling, there is not a single game in existence that properly simulates a space capital ship that you can walk in, has complex subsystems that can be operated by the player in a multiplayer environment and that has npcs going about their jobs and reacting to combat damage and battle situations.

Creating a game that has a single capital ship operating on such a level would likely require the resources of a triple A game and several years of development. It's all so weird by now.

tuo posted:

Backend looks like a corgi. I'm a backend expert

Pixelate posted:

So I bought some subscriber-store glasses...

tuo posted:

What kind of dog is this?

Pixelate posted:

quote:

@CIG_ChadMcKinney

We have a multithreaded update system for the components in addition to asynchronous and threaded spawning. Our engine is the most multithreaded game engine I've seen, especially on the game code side. If you look at other popular engines like Unreal and Unity their main game loop is still single threaded. Mike Acton is working hard to change that for Unity with the push on the Data Oriented Tech Stack (DOTS) which I'm happy to see, but for now that's more of a growing alternative than the main way that people use their engine.

Shazback posted:

More fun facts here

Can anyone with any experience of Unity/Unreal confirm or deny this?

I'm not a veteran video game developer but both claims (1. CI not G's Cryengine/Lumberyard Frankenstein engine is highly multithreaded, 2. Unity/Unreal are poorly or not multithreaded) don't really pass the smell test for me...

Shazback posted:

don't really pass the smell test for me...

trucutru posted:

Those ones that always smell like pee.

Mirificus posted:

quote:

People insist to think of the PU as merely trading and fighting.. it's not going to be that way. There will be tourism and local annual events - Sporting events like Murray Cup to stream around the verse. The Opera House on Mars to go see. Fashion Week at Prime on Terra II. Politics and local factional rivalries all of this information streamed around the verse day by day, perhaps even hour by hour. We know we can buy property in the game, apartments, houses etc. How do you find out about these being available and local price fluctuations? Advertising. We see it already in the game now, they go to the trouble of making ship adverts for sales. Right now it is static, but it won't be in the future.

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The reason for data runners is because Chris decreed there is no FTL transmission from system to system. Data has to be physically carried through jump gates and only transmitted by comms relays once it has arrived in system. Ships will carry information for interpersonal transactions (the mail), mas media, mass commerce, the news, intelligence gathering etc The list is endless, it has nothing to do with scarcity it has everything to do with perceived value.

Pixelate posted:

So I bought some subscriber-store glasses...

trucutru posted:

Has anybody explained to the backers that "data running" is moronic?

Guess what guys? Even if there is no FTL data transmission in the "verse" light speed is still way faster than any of you dumb ships. B-b-but wormhole jumps, you say? Having a goddamn relay station next to a wormhole that simply receives the beamed data and then sends a data package to a station on the other side of the wormhole is still a billion times faster, cheaper, and more convenient than some dildo-shaped "data runner" taking 2 hours to reach anywhere of importance.

Zazz Razzamatazz posted:

It totally makes sense!! Just like having manned turrets or still having a human being mopping floors instead of a roomba!!

Shazback posted:

I'm not a veteran video game developer but both claims (1. CI not G's Cryengine/Lumberyard Frankenstein engine is highly multithreaded, 2. Unity/Unreal are poorly or not multithreaded) don't really pass the smell test for me...

Pixelate posted:

Why artificial gravity plates are silly

https://i.imgur.com/y3WGIof.mp4

Spiderdrake posted:

we're not even entirely certain how ancient combat worked.

Flared Basic Bitch posted:

Wasn’t there an update ages ago where the release notes included “lots of thread synchronization added way more stable yay!” or something to that effect? Because that 100% tracks with having lots of threads with interactions that you didn’t think through. There’s also fantastic odds that it’ll bite you on performance, so it really does sound like a classic CIG “solution”.

quote:

STEPS TO REPRODUCE

- Buy bottle of water at casaba
- Get locked into animation while buying that makes bottle teleport into and out of hand
- get stuck in animation
- Buy second bottle
- Bottle teleports into right hand
- Drink bottle while it's in right hand with left hand while left hand inverts it's own wrist drinking from open hand in thin air with wrist twisted completely around

ACTUAL RESULT

fail successfully at drinking water while animation freak out hands get twisted around into the most painful imaginable positions while phantom bottle stuck in other hand magically replenishes thirst.


EXPECTED RESULT

Pick the bottle up like a normal human, not having to buy it twice while it converts me into a temporary spaghettification victim until i give in to it's demands and buy a second bottle to be released, then drink that water with my hands without it snapping my wrists in half or replenishing my thirst from nothing while the bottle merges with my right hand while i drink it with my left. You know like I wasn't part of some seriously badly planned video game logic that even todd howard would be ashamed of.

Pixelate posted:

DRINKING FAILURES

Sunswipe posted:

Are thirst mechanics a thing now? I am so out of touch with this poo poo.

Thoatse posted:

In case anyone is wondering what bnbl is up to these days unmute this gif

https://i.imgur.com/QFoGCMF.gifv

Pixelate posted:

I wonder what they’ll break instead if they ever fix this

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