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SlothfulCobra posted:An even weirder situation is the Southern Water Tribe where they could've easily established dominion whenever they wanted to, but just settled for killing off all the waterbenders.
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A thought occurs: would the next Water Avatar be one of the swampbenders?
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Aug 15, 2020 04:47
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SlothfulCobra posted:Eh, I dunno about that. Colonization is what the Fire Nation was doing to the Earth Kingdom, and that was harsh, but not genocide. They genocided the Air Nomads because they wanted to genocide the Air Nomads, i thought they genocided the air nomads cause they wanted to make sure the avatar was dead? actually thinking about it, the fire nation wasn't 'that' bad when it came to the people they conquered. in that one episode when that one fire nation governer was tricked into thinking the citizens of that city had some kind of plague, he was simply content to banish them instead of outright engaging in systematic slaughter MonsterEnvy posted:Guessing the poles felt like trash land to them. well, i believe they didn't go after the northern water tribe for a long time cause they were heavily fortified and practically impregnable.
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Aug 15, 2020 04:54
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I mean in the end you can trace almost all of Korra's problems to the fact it was planned to be one season/miniseries (and you can tell because of how cleanly everything got wrapped up with Korra unlocking airbending and getting a boyfriend and Aang saying good job) but then Nick wanted more and so the rest of the series was kind of flying by the seat of its pants.
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Aug 15, 2020 05:59
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TwoPair posted:I mean in the end you can trace almost all of Korra's problems to the fact it was planned to be one season/miniseries (and you can tell because of how cleanly everything got wrapped up with Korra unlocking airbending and getting a boyfriend and Aang saying good job) but then Nick wanted more and so the rest of the series was kind of flying by the seat of its pants. So, a little bit of trivia: A:TLA was originally only picked up for 13 episodes, meaning that The Blue Spirit would have been the series finale if it didn't get renewed. The creators went in with a 3-season plan and they stuck to it. With Korra they had to fight tooth and nail to even get Book One (even though it was basically guaranteed to be a success) and they didn't want to disappoint their fanbase by returning only to leave an unfinished story. I get why they did it but I feel like the result kind of speaks for itself.
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Aug 15, 2020 06:23
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:So, a little bit of trivia: A:TLA was originally only picked up for 13 episodes, meaning that The Blue Spirit would have been the series finale if it didn't get renewed. The creators went in with a 3-season plan and they stuck to it. With Korra they had to fight tooth and nail to even get Book One (even though it was basically guaranteed to be a success) and they didn't want to disappoint their fanbase by returning only to leave an unfinished story. I get why they did it but I feel like the result kind of speaks for itself. Makes a lot of sense that Avatar was, no pun intended, shooting for the moon from the start, and taking less risks has less payoff.
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Aug 15, 2020 06:30
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:So, a little bit of trivia: A:TLA was originally only picked up for 13 episodes, meaning that The Blue Spirit would have been the series finale if it didn't get renewed. The creators went in with a 3-season plan and they stuck to it. With Korra they had to fight tooth and nail to even get Book One (even though it was basically guaranteed to be a success) and they didn't want to disappoint their fanbase by returning only to leave an unfinished story. I get why they did it but I feel like the result kind of speaks for itself. Reminds me of how Steven Universe was originally going to potentially end on Mirror Gem/Ocean Gem before they got an extension order right around the show's premiere, and if it had ended there apparently it would have been 99% the same as the version we did get, just with a couple different lines of dialogue to make it a bit less open
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:There was a time when I would have been incredibly excited to see Korra on Netflix. But, over the last five years, I've really soured on it. While I believe that a large part of it is that Bolin and Mako being terrible characters, it's also true that I simply cannot ignore its politics. This video series does a really good job of explaining things, though I disagree with part of their interpretation of Book 4. Wait, one of the bad guys is a white-masked counter-culture guy named "Amon"? Are you loving kidding me?
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If SU ended at Ocean Gem, it still would've been a fantastic series and a bright shining light to inspire later creators. It managed the mystery in a way where even though the audience would be left wanting more, it'd still feel good. There's ways that you can make a story relatively flexible about where it starts and stops. The way Korra was structured was really inelastic, if you tried cutting it shorter, then there's all this emotional and dramatic buildup into dead ends with even less catharsis, and when they extended the series at the last moment, they tried keeping all the same dramatic beats to the narrative, so they just...duplicated them. And since they had the bright idea to do this one big dramatic beat to really push the boundaries by having Korra lose one fight so bad that she's absolutely destroyed, they had to keep doing that each season, which is too much. And of course, the whole thing had a lack of breathing room since all the plot was being crammed into one season. It's a lot like reading superhero comics. It doesn't feel "fair" that playing corporate politics with the network execs is an important part of planning out and making a show, but that's the way it is.
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:There was a time when I would have been incredibly excited to see Korra on Netflix. But, over the last five years, I've really soured on it. While I believe that a large part of it is that Bolin and Mako being terrible characters, it's also true that I simply cannot ignore its politics. This video series does a really good job of explaining things, though I disagree with part of their interpretation of Book 4. just finished watching those. good stuff. some really yikes-y stuff the creators came up with, particularly the line when mako says it's okay to be a violent dictator as long as your heart's in the right place.  the politics of korra seem so much worse than TLA's, it's almost impressive
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Aug 15, 2020 23:47
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I don't want to think about all the behind the scenes stuff that gave way to that stuff.
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Aug 15, 2020 23:59
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the speed that amity's character went from "haughty rival" to "comically in love with the protagonist" in owl house is neckbreaking but i can't say i dislike it
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Aug 16, 2020 00:02
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kidcoelacanth posted:the speed that amity's character went from "haughty rival" to "comically in love with the protagonist" in owl house is neckbreaking but i can't say i dislike it Reminds me of the rich girl in As Told By Ginger in that regard
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kidcoelacanth posted:the speed that amity's character went from "haughty rival" to "comically in love with the protagonist" in owl house is neckbreaking but i can't say i dislike it Its a pretty standard cliche at this point
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I think Avatar was an excellent cartoon that should stay an excellent cartoon. How many good live action remakes of cartoons have there been? Would there be stunt doubles for all of the martial arts? How many child actors are also grandmasters of Chu Gar style Southern Praying Mantis? The special effects budget would be a nightmare Actually here's the thing, I don't think you can really keep the same tone as the show, with the characters as the same age, in a live action series. Like, Avatar is an adventure series with Serious Themes, but it's an optimistic show with a strong humor base and I think all of the child violence would be a lot more uncomfortable if I were watching it happen to an actual twelve-year-old. I may be talking entirely out of my rear end but that's my basic opinion. Like congrats to Bryke, they made a really really good cartoon but now maybe they should go make different things.
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kidcoelacanth posted:the speed that amity's character went from "haughty rival" to "comically in love with the protagonist" in owl house is neckbreaking but i can't say i dislike it Don't dislike it, but still not really like it that much since it feels too rushed and like it's shuffling out anything involving their perceived rivalry particularly since their mentors are sisters with contrasting views and styles. drrockso20 posted:Reminds me of the rich girl in As Told By Ginger in that regard They wanted Courtney to come out as gay to Ginger. I'll look for that link later. Xelkelvos posted:Its a pretty standard cliche at this point Yeah it kind of is. It's not bad when well executed and given time to grow and expand.
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owl house has weird pacing and is structurally all over the place but i like when the green girl acts a fool around her crush so i shall continue to watch
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kidcoelacanth posted:the speed that amity's character went from "haughty rival" to "comically in love with the protagonist" in owl house is neckbreaking but i can't say i dislike it The creator worked on Gravity Falls, right? Maybe she saw Alex Hirsch get burnt out and the Pacifica Northwest/Dipper thing come to nothing, so she's just moving her romance plot in fast forward in case anything happens to her/the show.
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drrockso20 posted:Reminds me of the rich girl in As Told By Ginger in that regard I remember that show. The artystyle was ugly, but it handled growing up and other tough topics in a very mature manner. One of Ginger's best friends was the absolute worst, though. It was the one with pigtails, who was only concerned about being cool and popular. One episode had her be assigned to the school's PA, which she then used as a gossip column and to out kids who had a dandruff problem. And then it turns out her mom is exactly like her. I was disappointed we never got Ginger to  with her.
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amigolupus posted:I remember that show. The artystyle was ugly, but it handled growing up and other tough topics in a very mature manner. Yeah Dodie is probably one of the worst characters in the "best friend" slot of any show I've ever seen, even Bloo is less terrible than her and that's really saying something
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"Wing it Like Witches" was a pretty lightweight episode since there wasn't much more to it other than the Harry Potter pisstake, but every scene with Amity was gold and so all is well. For all the B plot time they spent with Eda and Lilith, it didn't seem to shed much light on their situation.
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Madurai posted:"Wing it Like Witches" was a pretty lightweight episode since there wasn't much more to it other than the Harry Potter pisstake, but every scene with Amity was gold and so all is well. For all the B plot time they spent with Eda and Lilith, it didn't seem to shed much light on their situation. It certainly seems like Eda's curse plot and exploration of her place in wider Boiling Isles society has been put on the backburner with all the attention being on Luz settling in at Hexside and her relationship with Amity. And that's after the early episodes took what felt like a really long time to get into Luz's magic education while focusing more on Eda's beef with covens and her curse. It feels like they maybe could have spaced those plot threads out more evenly. Regardless, I'm enjoying it.
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YggiDee posted:I think Avatar was an excellent cartoon that should stay an excellent cartoon. How many good live action remakes of cartoons have there been? Would there be stunt doubles for all of the martial arts? How many child actors are also grandmasters of Chu Gar style Southern Praying Mantis? The special effects budget would be a nightmare Well apparently they think so too 
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kidcoelacanth posted:owl house has weird pacing and is structurally all over the place but i like when the green girl acts a fool around her crush so i shall continue to watch Yeah, it's really adorable. Fills a big gay hole in my heart left by She-Ra.
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amigolupus posted:I remember that show. The artystyle was ugly, but it handled growing up and other tough topics in a very mature manner. I think I remember that episode and she was outing kids who had head lice.
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Mraagvpeine posted:I think I remember that episode and she was outing kids who had head lice. Was gonna mention that along with the fact that she gasps and remarks that she'll go down in school history for outing that the popular it girl has lice. I found it really nice that Courtney personally thanked and hugged Ginger for bailing her on that. And yeah, Dodie was absolutely loving vile.
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Still the scariest part that shallow wannabe social climbers screwing over their vulnerable peers for the slightest amusement and/or perceived increase in social standing has always been the most realistic part of high school shows.
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Courtney was a way better friend to Ginger than Dodie, that I'm surprised the series didn't have Ginger stop being friends with Dodie once they got to high school. Especially after that episode where Ginger found out that her boyfriend was cheating on her with a cheerleader, and that Dodie knew all of this and kept it a secret from Ginger despite being her supposed best friend.doomrider7 posted:Was gonna mention that along with the fact that she gasps and remarks that she'll go down in school history for outing that the popular it girl has lice. I found it really nice that Courtney personally thanked and hugged Ginger for bailing her on that. And yeah, Dodie was absolutely loving vile. Pretty sure Dodie got mad at Ginger for stopping her, too. It was really weird that the episode ended with the two apologizing to each other for what they did when Dodie was the one in the wrong.
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How the hell edited this recap for Infinity Train Seasons 1 and 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADCagZ7o7s0 It's genuinely terrifying and implies completely the wrong thing about the earlier seasons.
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Aug 16, 2020 11:22
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Seems like they were shooting for a trailer that doesn't reveal any of the major reveals of season 1 and 2, which requires not showing anything beyond episode 8 of either, and that leads to a pretty grim-dark interpretation of it.Xelkelvos posted:Simon's never shown the ability to be outwardly duplicitous and it made sense for him to not hide it at all. I feel like we'll definitely see Grace change her tune this season (and maybe go home?), but it's very open-ended about Simon. Obviously he's very attached to her, and he's really attached to the Apex structure they've set up, but I couldn't tell you which he would pick if he was forced to choose, which it seems like he will in a few episodes.
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Are we really sure Amity in the Owl House is into Luz? The attraction is really subtle. Either way, it goes completely over Luz's head.
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cant cook creole bream posted:Are we really sure Amity in the Owl House is into Luz? The attraction is really subtle. Either way, it goes completely over Luz's head. It has not been subtle at all in the last couple episodes.
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cant cook creole bream posted:Are we really sure Amity in the Owl House is into Luz? The attraction is really subtle. Either way, it goes completely over Luz's head. She seems to just be a very good friend.
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TwoPair posted:Woosh I'm sorry I thought they might have been like five episodes behind or something!
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Aug 16, 2020 18:53
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Bobulus posted:
Simon's abandonment issues will be put to the brink if Grace "abandons" him and the Apex and that's probably the most dramatic outcome. Since he'll lash out the most in that way.
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Aug 16, 2020 19:27
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Senerio posted:She seems to just be a very good friend. I thought they were cousins
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Aug 16, 2020 19:40
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Have you considered that they're just really close cousins?
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kidcoelacanth posted:i feel like i should watch amphibia Its really cool, i like it and owl house a lot as action adventure fantasy. Those and ducktales and craig of the creek are my picks for best cartoon shows right now. Sharkopath fucked around with this message at 21:40 on Aug 16, 2020 |
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