Tippis posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsM6hflmMrw&t=196s
Just listen.

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Dramatic FPS drop since 3.4, is SSOCS really working ?
As you can see on the telemetry page :

On 3.4 there was 53% of the user that had 50 FPS or more.

On 3.5 they were 42%

On 3.6 they drop to 24%

There was a small recovery in 3.7 and 3.8 to reach respectively 28% and 33%

On 3.9 it fell to 11%

Currently on 3.10 we are at 6%


This FPS degradation goes hand in hand with servers degradation, I don't know at how many FPS servers are currently running but they must be around 3 to 6 FPS...

Yet according to what was explained in a video from Digital Foundry, the introduction of SSOCS was to increase severs tickrate up to 30 !

Either digital foundry has misunderstood, or SSOCS is still not working as it was supposed to.

Desync and delays between the client and servers has never been so high and seems to increase patch after patch.

This is currently the cause of the immense majority of suffering that players endure, whether it is desync during ship dogfight, enemies who teleport or do not take their bullets during FPS combat, changes made in the mobiglass that take 3 minutes to complete, missions that take several minutes to update, time to buy something in a shop or bartender delay, all this is linked to low server frame rate and service overload.

Will we have to wait for the meshing server for this to be resolved ? or even later ? Is there a solution ?

Tippis posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsM6hflmMrw&t=196s
Just listen.

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I have literally STOPPED playing due to stutter and low frames.
If CIG claims that their telemetry still shows good FPS for those who are playing - then I'd say they're only getting telemetry from those who are still playing and not those who are unable to play due to low frame rates = skewed telemetry results.

MedicineHut posted:

90 actual devs out 600 employees, lol

hottubrhymemachine posted:

I liked how in their latest video they pretty much said all the original mocap is too old and unusable so they’ve been refilming it all.

I Greyhound posted:

One would think that if you were trying to built a game based on a revolutionary technological leap in architecture that no one has ever made before, you would have something more like 400 people working on the engine and features and maybe a few artists to get assets that demonstrate it, instead of the other way around.

Nyast posted:

Just look at these lunatics, which in year +9 still don't understand that client framerate is decoupled from server performance. Server meshing, assuming they get it working one day (hint: they won't), is not gonna affect client performance. Seriously, why don't these guys understand game development ?

Quavers posted:

Scruffyhawk posted:

For "improved throw", are they indicating that there are 61 unique tasks associated with that single item? What the gently caress could possibly be rolled up into that? Arm fatigue mechanics, tendon strain meters, reduced accuracy due to low argon levels, two handed throwing? Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Nicholas posted:

90 Developers and 100 open developer positions that need to be filled.

Fidelitious posted:

Is that really the roadmap? 500 employees and they've got like 5-10 things per quarter. The options that I see.

1. The roadmap is completely inaccurate in which case you might as well not even update it
2. Management and direction is so incompetent that this actually representative of how much work they can do in 3 months
3. 90% of their resources are directed towards the currently invisible work on Squadron 42 and they've just left enough people on SC to complete a token amount of progress.

Quavers posted:

Dr. Honked posted:

What happened to Eddie Parr in the end?

Scruffyhawk posted:

For "improved throw", are they indicating that there are 61 unique tasks associated with that single item? What the gently caress could possibly be rolled up into that? Arm fatigue mechanics, tendon strain meters, reduced accuracy due to low argon levels, two handed throwing? Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Dr. Honked posted:

What happened to Eddie Parr in the end?

MedicineHut posted:

90 actual devs out 600 employees, lol

hottubrhymemachine posted:

I liked how in their latest video they pretty much said all the original mocap is too old and unusable so they’ve been refilming it all.

Fidelitious posted:

Is that really the roadmap? 500 employees and they've got like 5-10 things per quarter. The options that I see.

1. The roadmap is completely inaccurate in which case you might as well not even update it
2. Management and direction is so incompetent that this actually representative of how much work they can do in 3 months
3. 90% of their resources are directed towards the currently invisible work on Squadron 42 and they've just left enough people on SC to complete a token amount of progress.

ErrEff posted:

I'm guessing they are counting literally every single thing that can possibly be related to it (animation, character's hand model/texture, grunting when said throwing happens, targeting reticle or however they implement the player action, physics collisions, input, etc.) because backers like to see number go up.

Meanwhile, the Origin ships are only 35 items each. Much less complexity involved, so it makes sense.

A shotgun has 7 items, while a grenade launcher has 30. Because... I don't know.

Maybe CIG just generates random numbers for everything on those roadmaps and they are actually loving meaningless.

Nyast posted:

Just look at these lunatics, which in year +9 still don't understand that client framerate is decoupled from server performance. Server meshing, assuming they get it working one day (hint: they won't), is not gonna affect client performance. Seriously, why don't these guys understand game development ?

G0RF posted:

This was one of those sekret discord leaks from 2016 that seemed kind of hard to believe at the time — that the capture process itself was terribly managed and the data made agonizingly difficult to work with as a result. Chris has known it was hosed for 5 years.

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I'm 99% sure that when CR promised private servers and modding tools, he had Freelancer in mind and it's still got servers online thanks to the private server binaries and the modding community that's still supporting the game. Star Citizen is Chris's last huge project - he probably won't have the energy for a Star Citizen 2 project taking up the next 15 years of his life once he's done with shepherding SC out; he's probably going to retire after he finally takes his hands off CIG. He's making Star Citizen not just to make the game, but to cement his legacy. Private servers are what will keep that legacy alive after the company eventually pulls the plug or totally shuts down.

It's impossible to know exactly what CIG plans to do because they won't be working on the private server and modding tools until the game's actually out of beta, but it's a crowdfunding promise that they have to fulfill.

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Maybe something for some FPS Battle, or session like this, but i don't think they will give us the full universe for play "private".

This was never the plan in the first place. Even back in the day the talk was that a private server would be one star system, and that'd be the sandbox to play in. It would not and could not replicate even the OLD plans for what SC the MMO was going to be - a bunch of different servers for the star systems.

I think the closest they will get to a "private" PU is if they end up allowing people to directly rent an AWS instance with a specialized private server version of the normal game server, disconnected and isolated from the main PU but running almost exactly like one of its systems. And they haven't said anything about doing this so it's only speculation.

G0RF posted:

This was one of those sekret discord leaks from 2016 that seemed kind of hard to believe at the time — that the capture process itself was terribly managed and the data made agonizingly difficult to work with as a result. Chris has known it was hosed for 5 years.

happyhippy posted:

Reminds me of this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXpJmxleflw

He couldn't make E3 that year, because he had to supervise the mocap in England.

And here is David Braben launching ED:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22DAO4dl74w

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16GB is the minimum RAM now, clear out as much as possible to make room for SC - especially browsers, Chrome gobbles memory so much it should be criminal.

You will also want to make sure your virtual memory settings are set up correctly. If you have the room, I'd suggest setting a minimum of 16 or 24GB and setting the max to either the same or a bit higher (32 is probably overkill). The reason for setting it explicitly instead of leaving it to system-managed is that system-managed allocates on the fly and that's slower than having preallocated swap space on disk and even on SSD. This isn't typically an issue when Chrome wants more memory or a particularly large file in some art/CAD/office program does some crunching that takes a little longer, but it's a BIG problem with a game that does very aggressive asset streaming all the time -- something few games do.

Most games put all their long loading times at the start of a level/area and then run entirely in memory. SC doesn't, it constantly swaps objects and textures in and out and changes between level of detail versions of things in order to maximize the system resources for what's needed on-screen. This is why rooms may not immediately load in front of you and you fall into the void if you try stepping through - it's loading and something bottlenecked or, during alpha, might have failed entirely for some baffling reason.

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fixing a fall trough the floor bug ain't no big loving deal, and if you think it is, you're just delusional and lying to yourself.

Did you ever consider that "it's because the world hasn't loaded because your Windows swap file is being slow" was a cause for this "bug"? I bet not.

G0RF posted:

This was one of those sekret discord leaks from 2016 that seemed kind of hard to believe at the time — that the capture process itself was terribly managed and the data made agonizingly difficult to work with as a result. Chris has known it was hosed for 5 years.

Mirificus posted:

Did you ever consider that "it's because the world hasn't loaded because your Windows swap file is being slow" was a cause for this "bug"? I bet not.

Lammasu posted:

I will give Croberts this, Lord of War is one of my favorite movies.

Produced by

Artemio Benki ... line producer: Czech Republic
Greig Buckle ... line producer: South Africa
Nicolas Cage ... producer
Bradley Cramp ... executive producer
Christopher Eberts ... executive producer
Fabrice Gianfermi ... executive producer
Darren Goldberg ... line producer: New York
Norman Golightly ... producer
Andreas Grosch ... producer (as Andy Grosch)
Gary Hamilton ... executive producer
Douglas Hansen ... co-producer (as Douglas E. Hansen)
Michael Mendelsohn ... executive producer
Andrew Niccol ... producer
Chris Roberts ... producer
Teri-Lin Robertson ... producer: Reeleyes Film Co., South Africa
Philippe Rousselet ... producer
Andreas Schmid ... executive producer
James D. Stern ... executive producer
Ronaldo Vasconcellos ... executive line producer
Jim Vidal ... associate producer: International (as James E. Vidal)

Lammasu posted:

I dated a girl that had bunnies and one thing I learned from her is that bunnies hump each other to establish dominance. What the gently caress is the point of being the dominant bunny? It's like being the dominant sandwich.

Mirificus posted:

Did you ever consider that "it's because the world hasn't loaded because your Windows swap file is being slow" was a cause for this "bug"? I bet not.

quote:

Most games put all their long loading times at the start of a level/area and then run entirely in memory. SC doesn't, it constantly swaps objects and textures in and out and changes between level of detail versions of things in order to maximize the system resources for what's needed on-screen. This is why rooms may not immediately load in front of you and you fall into the void if you try stepping through - it's loading and something bottlenecked or, during alpha, might have failed entirely for some baffling reason.