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Hows that big ol drat doing these days? Havent heard much lately, i actually hope its ok because if it breaks then millions of people will die. The fact it isnt being talked about more is actually suspicious, if everything was fine id expect more propaganda about it.
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Haramstufe Rot posted:Like, I feel sorry for this dude but also lmao.
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Aug 16, 2020 16:53
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I didn't watch laowhy back then as he had clearly drank the cool aid. Sperentz hadn't. He was pretty neutral calling it as is, pointing out oddities good and bad. Nothing third rail, pretty harmless. The system was getting to him, an irritation, increasing wariness. He started going negative on China while in China which was funny enough partly driven by nationalist not happy with neutral. laowhy took some time after bugging out before the tankie worked out of his system. For a while he was still defending Social Credit but in an unsure way. You could see the goggles slipping. Now they are the two most anti CCP youtubers out there. Tnuctip posted:Hows that big ol drat doing these days? Havent heard much lately, i actually hope its ok because if it breaks then millions of people will die. The unnamed country can only leak. In recent leaks this time by Cohen  . Leaks were indeed made.
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Aug 16, 2020 17:12
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I only started watching Laowhy / SerpentZA recently, I didn't realise they used to be pro-CCP. From the sound of their recent videos it sounded like they like the country and the people, but not the CCP itself.
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Aug 16, 2020 17:27
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serpentza was an entertaining watch because of the increasingly strenuous gymnastics he had to do to dance around hot-button subjects. When he touched on one of those subjects, there would always be this torrent of qualifying statements to get the wumaos of his back (not that it stopped them from trying to hassle him anyway, chuds are chuds, regardless of country). Watching the dam crack and eventually break was also entertaining.
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Aug 16, 2020 18:32
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Not So Fast posted:I only started watching Laowhy / SerpentZA recently, I didn't realise they used to be pro-CCP. From the sound of their recent videos it sounded like they like the country and the people, but not the CCP itself. laowhy was functionally a tankie, a lucky one that met SerpentZA who kept a reality check. It's pretty telling how one of them had to scramble out and the other had an organized exit. SerpentZA has always been fond of the people never pro-ccp and kept them separated. It was entertaining seeing him dance around things he clearly wanted to say even if it had been harmless elsewhere. It didn't help there were less and less things to say that wasn't negative. Seeing him read the writing on the wall while laowhy kept humming along was a delight. It was like watching them pack their bags.
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Aug 16, 2020 20:01
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oohhboy posted:SerpentZA has always been fond of the people never pro-ccp and kept them separated. Even when trying to stream and olds would stick their faces between his and his phone, he was still cheerful and polite with them. He only ever complained about the Chuds, the overly rude/indifferent people, or the angry racists. He did an admirable job of covering the good things about China until he ran out of them because they were all covered or the government got rid of them. Laowhy's 180 was inevitable. You can't possibly stay a tankie if you have to live in China outside of a useful idiot/white person bubble. As soon as you actually try and "live" in China, it all falls apart.
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a few years ago I came across a laoway video talking about how he had to follow the custom of "buying a house for his wife" and when he showed the house the build quality was poo poo and he tried to dance around why it was normal or okay in china. So I kinda wrote him off.
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Aug 16, 2020 22:58
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i don't listen to afrikaners or tankies
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Aug 16, 2020 23:41
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I don't think either of them are afrikaaners
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Aug 17, 2020 02:10
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Dont Touch ME posted:I don't think either of them are afrikaaners ehhh... serpentza is most definitely south african, grew up there.... and he had some interesting shares but it has been a very long time so can people change?
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oohhboy posted:Hahha nice, but I didn't ask for this. The gently caress are you talking about, the CCP just successfully completed the most ambitious irrigation project ever, one which marks the end of the era of American agriculture
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Aug 17, 2020 03:20
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Wendigee posted:ehhh... serpentza is most definitely south african, grew up there.... and he had some interesting shares but it has been a very long time so can people change? Not all white south Africans are afrikaaners
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Aug 17, 2020 03:24
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exmachina posted:Not all white south Africans are afrikaaners ppl threw shade at him and called him racist many times I'm just sharing what they said. I never spent time getting to the bottom of it.
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bonelessdongs posted:The gently caress are you talking about, the CCP just successfully completed the most ambitious irrigation project ever, one which marks the end of the era of American agriculture lol I get it
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Aug 17, 2020 03:29
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Wendigee posted:ppl threw shade at him and called him racist many times I'm just sharing what they said. I never spent time getting to the bottom of it. Afrikaaner is an ethnic group, my dude.
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Aug 17, 2020 03:31
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Grand Fromage posted:Afrikaaner is an ethnic group, my dude. i thought it was just white dutch racists that created apartheid and Rhodesia, my bad for real.
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Aug 17, 2020 03:32
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Yeah a group of Dutch and Flemish colonised south africa, they speak a dialect known as Afrikaans which is related to Dutch, shares a lot of vocabulary and some grammer
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Aug 17, 2020 03:37
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exmachina posted:Yeah a group of Dutch and Flemish colonised south africa, they speak a dialect known as Afrikaans which is related to Dutch, shares a lot of vocabulary and some grammer are Die Antwoord Afrikaaners? What is it they are speaking? ( just started watching a movie and they had a track on it and reminded me that I can't understand all the words they say)
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Aug 17, 2020 03:39
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Grand Fromage posted:Afrikaaner is an ethnic group, my dude. I've always seen it used to refer to white people who speak Afrikaans, regardless of what exact flavour of European their ancestors were, i.e. typically but not always Dutch
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GotLag posted:I've always seen it used to refer to white people who speak Afrikaans, regardless of what exact flavour of European their ancestors were, i.e. typically but not always Dutch this was my impression as well im sorry i phrased it so shittily above...
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i can't can't get enough of their short-short booty war pants though... probably the only people to get skin cancer on their thighs in the world.
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Aug 17, 2020 03:47
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If China is having food security issues what's stopping them from just buying more from overseas? Especially if Trump loses and Biden is willing to reset the tarriff dickwaving contest?
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Aug 17, 2020 04:04
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Deki posted:If China is having food security issues what's stopping them from just buying more from overseas? Especially if Trump loses and Biden is willing to reset the tarriff dickwaving contest? Not so much "security issues" as, "we need more cheap meat/fish to keep the populace happy". There is a lot of farmland being used to grow feed for livestock and to grow fruit/veg for export. Should caloric intake drop to unacceptable levels, they could repurpose that land to grow potatoes/rice/anything to keep people from starving. China's desire for cheap protein is why they are in the process of raping and killing the South China Sea and have pulled a panel van next to the Galapagos islands' car in the parking lot just before closing time. Xi needs meat on everyone's table to retain power, as he's put too much weight into his, "I made China prosperous" propaganda. If people have to go without, they're going to see that he's failed them and popular opinion (imo) will swing too hard to counter. If China were to experience food shortages, you could expect the "poor China is being ganged up on by the world" propaganda to start up a few years before that, as to change the public perception, as Xi's been playing the, "we're big and strong" angle for too long. Should people start going without and the narrative hasn't adapted beforehand, that would be a good recipe for a quick leader/regime change.
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Blistex posted:Not so much "security issues" as, "we need more cheap meat/fish to keep the populace happy". There is a lot of farmland being used to grow feed for livestock and to grow fruit/veg for export. Should caloric intake drop to unacceptable levels, they could repurpose that land to grow potatoes/rice/anything to keep people from starving. The propaganda has already started. Back when the trade war started, the propaganda started turning up the rhetoric of "we've gotta start tightening our belt to prepare for the challenging times ahead". The news release of 600 million people earn less than 1,000 RMB (about $140 US dollars) per month was part of that too. Recently they've also released memos and new regulations about "no food wasting" and it's being played up everywhere. But IMO although the party is powerful, it's not really a well oiled machine on many fronts. At the end of the day, the great leap forward happened not because there was not enough food to go around. So it's very possible that the third world part of China could go into a famine or the food price can get through the roof but the first world stays fine or relatively unaffected.
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So i have a question. English is my second language. And I looked up the word Tankie while I was reading the thread. "Tankie is a pejorative term which originally referred to those members of the Communist Party of Great Britain that followed the Kremlin line, agreeing with the crushing of the revolution in Hungary and later the Prague Spring by Soviet tanks; or more broadly, those who followed a traditional pro-Soviet position." is what Wikipedia offers. The question is: Where do you draw the line of someone being a tankie? For example, is Bernie a tankie? Or is a tankie someone who must praise the tanks going into Tian'an men Square? In that case, very few people can be called tankies. On the other hand, if the wishy washy attitude towards China (such as "It's better to engage China than not" or "Free trade will bring more changes to China", or something like "it's not perfect but it will get better" ) can mark someone as a tankie, then I think America was a tankie for 30 years until recently...
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like all languages, words change and evolve. right now, "tankie" describes a kind of person who cheerleads policy implemented by countries that call themselves communist, even if their values are largely capitalist. no matter what that country does, it's always in-the-right; for example, a modern tankie would celebrate xinjiang as a brilliant solution for promoting national unity.
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Aug 17, 2020 05:54
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Tankies will support any repressive action by any authoritarian state which has a red flag, basically. They also don't know anything, so you get cases like North Korea tankies despite the fact that North Korea itself has not claimed to be leftist for many years and removed references to socialism/communism from its constitution.
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Aug 17, 2020 06:10
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It's people whose complaint about brutal oppression is not that it's happening, but that they're not the ones in charge of it
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Aug 17, 2020 06:32
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Deki posted:If China is having food security issues what's stopping them from just buying more from overseas? Especially if Trump loses and Biden is willing to reset the tarriff dickwaving contest? China is already the second largest importer of food in the world. The largest, USA, is a bit of a special case because the US is also by FAR the largest exporter of food in the world at roughly 3x any other country. China exports an amount of food roughly in line with other developed countries but this is really rather low if you look at their land mass. Germany for instance imports and exports roughly the same amount of food as China in dollar denomination. Knowing the internal production of China is pretty difficult for all the normal reasons so it could all be going to internal demand and it's difficult to make an assessment on how secure their food production actually is. All said, there is a reason that China's retaliatory tariffs were on food and probably a reason why they did not last long.
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Jimmy Lai gives no fucks.quote:The typical malicious-looking Wang Yi, often purple with rage, has turned friendly. “China is ready to restart the dialogue mechanisms with the US side at any level, in any area and at any time. All issues can be put on the table for discussion”; “Avoid confrontation, keep the channels open for candid dialogue, reject decoupling and stand up to shared responsibilities,” how sincere and heartwarming. Too bad, it is too late. The Cold War has begun, and now it is not the CCP’s choice of whether or not they want to engage. This is an unprecedented shock to the CCP. Will Emperor Xi be able to hold up, and lead the Chinese people back to the Mao-style “communist paradise”, where everyone has a place and everything they need? Or since the warrior-wolf attack on the Western powers, the ship has sailed and there is no return; that the Xi Dynasty is on a decline before it has taken shape? This seems very explicit by comparison. Usually they refer to the emporer in a round-about way. Guess this is the end of the road for Lai.
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Aug 17, 2020 06:53
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Chinathread: Xi Dada’s serene photo taken leisurely by the corns
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lolled bigly at the header, I feel so certain of china's food security now
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Grand Fromage posted:North Korea itself has not claimed to be leftist for many years and removed references to socialism/communism from its constitution. Uh, whoa. This is news to me. When did this change??
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From what I've seen modern tankies are less about supporting the more brutal actions of authoritarian states but claiming they are complete fabrications or CIA disinformation. I looked at r/sino the other day and the top rated thread was one "disproving" the tiananmen square massacre. it's basically quanon for people on the far left e: and it shouldn't be used for everyone with far left ideology, it's a specific set of beliefs. a lot of it is 4chan style super edgy trolling too, not that it makes it ok d0s fucked around with this message at 07:59 on Aug 17, 2020 |
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Aug 17, 2020 07:54
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The Cubelodyte posted:Uh, whoa. This is news to me. When did this change?? They didn't remove socialism, but they did remove all mention of Marxism-Leninsm in 1992 and Communism in 2009 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_North_Korea It also looks like they replaced Juche with Kimilsungism-Kimjongilism. Not quite as catchy.
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Vesi posted:lolled bigly at the header, I feel so certain of china's food security now it was all sparrows? always was...
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d0s posted:From what I've seen modern tankies are less about supporting the more brutal actions of authoritarian states but claiming they are complete fabrications or CIA disinformation. I looked at r/sino the other day and the top rated thread was one "disproving" the tiananmen square massacre. it's basically quanon for people on the far left Is it just a "La la la, I am not listening! Everything even nominally communist can do no wrong." And to the poster who asked what a "Tankie" is, that is my limited understanding of it. Someone who barracks for the word "communism" or "socialism" like it's a loving footy team, and that they can do no wrong. And the things that they provably are doing wrong get argued away as either being good, actually, or the "bad people", (usually the USA)'s fault ... somehow.
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