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BurgerQuest: Mar 17, 2009; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

The next biggest town is Bunbury and no one wants a repeat of that.

# ? Aug 18, 2020 22:56

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# ? Jun 11, 2024 23:01

teacup: Dec 20, 2006; = M I L K E R S =

I mean it�s not that crazy Victoria has Melbourne, then geelong then nothing over 100k either

# ? Aug 18, 2020 23:26

TammyHEH: Dec 11, 2013; Alfrything is only the ghost of a memory...

teacup posted:

I mean it’s not that crazy Victoria has Melbourne, then geelong then nothing over 100k either

Ballarat and Bendigo both had 90k+ at the 2016 census, wouldn't be surprised if they're near/at 100k

# ? Aug 18, 2020 23:28

freebooter: Jul 7, 2009

Settled relatively late, was always extremely isolated. Perth itself only had 300,000 people in the '50s, and when people migrate there they naturally go where the jobs are.

It's growing though. When I was a kid in the '90s Busselton was a tiny little town with a couple of caravan parks, by the 2010s it was as big as Albany or Kalgoorlie, and it's about 2km wide and 30km long because everyone wants to live on the coast. Perth's metro area is already bell-shaped. Give it another 50 years and the coast from Geographe Bay to Lancelin will all be houses.

edit - what surprised me when I moved to Victoria was that the coast isn't more developed than it is, especially that huge swathe along the border with NSW.

freebooter fucked around with this message at 23:36 on Aug 18, 2020

# ? Aug 18, 2020 23:34

Les Affaires: Nov 15, 2004

The only arable land is on a small section of the south west of WA called the wheat belt where rain has historically reliably fallen every winter, and up north in the tropics near a giant reservoir called the Ord river scheme. People dont live up there because the weather makes you mad half of the year.

The rest of it is a desert or small scrubland with no water inland and because of this there is no reason to be out there unless somebody finds a big chunk of minerals. When that happens, we used to build small towns next to the inevitable mine that pops up but now we build portable units called Dongas and fly people there and back regularly. Its arguable which one is more wasteful but with modern tech its not as necessary to have a permanent townsite anymore. Most of the major towns in other states were well established before fuel got cheaper and information tech got better.

Kalgoorlie still has circa 300k people but it relies on a water supply piped inland from perth. Without that it�d be hosed.

# ? Aug 19, 2020 00:42

teacup: Dec 20, 2006; = M I L K E R S =

Tommunist posted:

Ballarat and Bendigo both had 90k+ at the 2016 census, wouldn't be surprised if they're near/at 100k

I just wikid it before and both were under but fair point

Victoria, SA and WA are all heavily populated in the major city in that state though

Sydney I feel maybe less so? Queensland feels like what WA would have if more people went out west. Lots of small to medium towns up the coast, but maybe tourism helps there?

# ? Aug 19, 2020 00:44

starkebn: May 18, 2004; "Oooh, got a little too serious. You okay there, little buddy?"

I found this interesting

# ? Aug 19, 2020 01:05

Senor Tron: May 26, 2006

In a sensible world where Australia had built a well-diversified high tech economy with energy generation based around renewables this would be a great time to be thinking about a massive amount of immigration (including an increased refugee intake) to try and replicate the mid 20th century boom.

# ? Aug 19, 2020 01:41

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

teacup posted:

I just wikid it before and both were under but fair point

Victoria, SA and WA are all heavily populated in the major city in that state though

Sydney I feel maybe less so? Queensland feels like what WA would have if more people went out west. Lots of small to medium towns up the coast, but maybe tourism helps there?

As discussed before there�s a pretty big difference between coast and coastal desert.

As a quick reference

pre:

State	Pop/km2	Largest city pop %
NSW	10.0	64%
QLD	2.8	48%
SA	1.7	77%
TAS	5.9	43%
VIC	28.0	74%
WA	1.0	78%

Solemn Sloth fucked around with this message at 02:05 on Aug 19, 2020

# ? Aug 19, 2020 01:58

hambeet: Sep 13, 2002

Solemn Sloth posted:

As discussed before there�s a pretty big difference between coast and cultural desert

# ? Aug 19, 2020 02:03

Cartoon: Jun 20, 2008; poop

hambeet posted:

But the Baby Animals & Bon Scott both come from WA :confused:

BWE died in his bed in his cell at Albany regional prison some time between 5.15am and 8am on 14 February 2010 from an acute respiratory episode. BWE was serving life without parole and had been in jail, exempting two periods of escape, for 33 years.

SOURCE DOCUMENT
Coronial Inquest; Summary in Coroners court annual report 2011/12 p. 96

# ? Aug 19, 2020 02:16

freebooter: Jul 7, 2009

Les Affaires posted:

The only arable land is on a small section of the south west of WA called the wheat belt where rain has historically reliably fallen every winter, and up north in the tropics near a giant reservoir called the Ord river scheme. People dont live up there because the weather makes you mad half of the year.

The rest of it is a desert or small scrubland with no water inland and because of this there is no reason to be out there unless somebody finds a big chunk of minerals. When that happens, we used to build small towns next to the inevitable mine that pops up but now we build portable units called Dongas and fly people there and back regularly. Its arguable which one is more wasteful but with modern tech its not as necessary to have a permanent townsite anymore. Most of the major towns in other states were well established before fuel got cheaper and information tech got better.

Kalgoorlie still has circa 300k people but it relies on a water supply piped inland from perth. Without that it�d be hosed.

To put "small" in perspective in terms of WA, though, the Wheatbelt is huge (WA produces more wheat, barley and oats than any other state) and the portion of WA which has a temperate climate is about the size of Victoria.

# ? Aug 19, 2020 02:25

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

quote:

COVID vaccine likely to be mandatory in Australia, Scott Morrison says after signing deal with Oxford University

Australians are likely to face mandatory coronavirus vaccinations if Prime Minister Scott Morrison gets his wish.

The nation is a step closer to gaining access to a vaccine, with the Federal Government securing an international deal to produce a vaccine frontrunner locally if trials succeed.

If that happens, Mr Morrison said Australia would have a target of 95 per cent vaccination, which would account for people with health conditions that prevented them being vaccinated.

"I would expect it to be as mandatory as you could possibly make it," he told Melbourne radio station 3AW.

"There are always exemptions for any vaccine on medical grounds, but that should be the only basis.

"We are talking about a pandemic that has destroyed the global economy and taken the lives of hundreds of thousands all around the world, and over 430 Australians here."

Ok I must be mad because The Usual Suspects who are usually lefty, pro-vaccination etc. are going head over heels over how this is a bad idea and that we should rely on education and encouragement? The gently caress... this pandemic isn't negotiable. Is this just because of inherent hatred of Scott Morrison rather than rationality? I don't get it.

A number are saying that a covid vaccine isn't the same as a measels vaccine as this is being "rushed through" but from what I can tell this is going through the normal approval and testing protocols. What the actual gently caress?

https://www.reddit.com/r/australia/comments/icea0x/coronavirus_vaccine_would_be_mandatory_in/ as an example of people going THIS IS THE END.

# ? Aug 19, 2020 07:35

Mattjpwns: Dec 14, 2006; In joyful strains then let us sing
ADVANCE AUSTRALIA FUCKED

Lid posted:

Ok I must be mad because The Usual Suspects who are usually lefty, pro-vaccination etc. are going head over heels over how this is a bad idea and that we should rely on education and encouragement? The gently caress... this pandemic isn't negotiable. Is this just because of inherent hatred of Scott Morrison rather than rationality? I don't get it.

A number are saying that a covid vaccine isn't the same as a measels vaccine as this is being "rushed through" but from what I can tell this is going through the normal approval and testing protocols. What the actual gently caress?

https://www.reddit.com/r/australia/comments/icea0x/coronavirus_vaccine_would_be_mandatory_in/ as an example of people going THIS IS THE END.

I do kind of empathise with the whole "there's no way to know what the long term (10+ year) effects could be, you can't mythical man hour that poo poo" deal, but hey. We don't know the long term effects of a whole mess of stuff we put in our bodies, or even existing substances that we use in a different manner to how they were previously used.

There's enough out there to imply that the long term implications of even getting a "mild" case of COVID are bad. Pump that vaccine in my veins once it's been through the rest of the approval and testing protocols, which AFAIK only usually take so long because of resourcing issues - we won't have that with this.

# ? Aug 19, 2020 07:46

Sulla Faex: May 14, 2010; No man ever did me so much good, or enemy so much harm, but I repaid him with ENDLESS SHITPOSTING

Lid posted:

Ok I must be mad because The Usual Suspects who are usually lefty, pro-vaccination etc. are going head over heels over how this is a bad idea and that we should rely on education and encouragement? The gently caress... this pandemic isn't negotiable. Is this just because of inherent hatred of Scott Morrison rather than rationality? I don't get it.

A number are saying that a covid vaccine isn't the same as a measels vaccine as this is being "rushed through" but from what I can tell this is going through the normal approval and testing protocols. What the actual gently caress?

https://www.reddit.com/r/australia/comments/icea0x/coronavirus_vaccine_would_be_mandatory_in/ as an example of people going THIS IS THE END.

Australians loving love state authoritarianism, up to and including concentration camps, but only when it's inflicted on other people. As soon as there's any small amount of backsplash and suddenly they have to fill out an extra tax form every year, they flip the poo poo out and cry big fat crocodile tears over how could a government be so evil, how did this happen, this is absolutely unacceptable and we need to do something about it

gently caress em. Vaccinate them all. Maybe we'll get lucky and it'll accidentally infect australians with the physical capacity for empathy

# ? Aug 19, 2020 07:47

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Heres some quotes from that thread doing my head in

"Vaccines are good. Mandatory vaccines are bad."

"I can take a mask off. How do you unject a vaccine?"

"People shouldn't have a vaccine because it will profit politicians personal finances. It should be because is it medically advised."

"Just make it free and readily available. Mandatory punishes people in remote areas and with low incomes who cannot easily access medical treatment."

Like what the hell is going on? All of them going on about being pro-vaccination but boy does this read like babies first societal duty.

# ? Aug 19, 2020 07:49

Senor Tron: May 26, 2006

Now it's come out that there is actually no deal yet, just a vague letter on intent that Morrison over-sold.

https://twitter.com/Bowenchris/status/1295905206148816896?s=20

# ? Aug 19, 2020 07:49

Sulla Faex: May 14, 2010; No man ever did me so much good, or enemy so much harm, but I repaid him with ENDLESS SHITPOSTING

Quoting from the australia subreddit on a Wednesday.. pace yourself, it's still another 2 days til the weekend

# ? Aug 19, 2020 07:50

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Sulla Faex posted:

Quoting from the australia subreddit on a Wednesday.. pace yourself, it's still another 2 days til the weekend

True but like

We're afraid to leave our houses in case we get infected and kill someone we care about, or ourselves, or literally everyone. But the second they say "mandatory" vaccine people are acting like this is the end of liberty. I can see them slippery sloping this but like this isnt a vaccine that society has but you dont have to take like well pretty much every other vaccine around (which again are not mandatory, but we openly support "no jab no play" for example). This isn't a "remember your flu shot" which btw only a tiny percentage of people did every year, hell I neglect it most years, this is a "if we don't get rid of this the world has no end in sight to being shut down and millions are already infected with millions expected to die". There's like a threshold here we have faaaaaar surpassed.

# ? Aug 19, 2020 07:56

Intoluene: Jul 6, 2011; Activating self-destruct sequence!; Fun Shoe

Before idiots got a hold of a soapbox and people believing them over people who spend decades in the field, a new vaccine would be like "Get the kids, we're getting our polio shot".

# ? Aug 19, 2020 08:00

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

we're going to inject you with cowpox

# ? Aug 19, 2020 08:01

Sulla Faex: May 14, 2010; No man ever did me so much good, or enemy so much harm, but I repaid him with ENDLESS SHITPOSTING

Lid posted:

True but like

We're afraid to leave our houses in case we get infected and kill someone we care about, or ourselves, or literally everyone. But the second they say "mandatory" vaccine people are acting like this is the end of liberty. I can see them slippery sloping this but like this isnt a vaccine that society has but you dont have to take like well pretty much every other vaccine around (which again are not mandatory, but we openly support "no jab no play" for example). This isn't a "remember your flu shot" which btw only a tiny percentage of people did every year, hell I neglect it most years, this is a "if we don't get rid of this the world has no end in sight to being shut down and millions are already infected with millions expected to die". There's like a threshold here we have faaaaaar surpassed.

We've had multiple election cycles where the key question was whether we should have our concentration camps onshore, offshore, or just murder refugees in the open ocean so that we don't need to waste money on barbed wire fences

There is not an ounce of empathy in australian political rhetoric, and the psychological phenomenon of both national and individual exceptionalism (as in, everybody expecting to be special and to be the one that beats the odds), combined with generations of "you can have your cake and eat it too" promises funded by smash-and-grab mineral extraction, with any shortfalls blamed on socialism.. means that nobody's going to see the value in any corona-mitigation strategy that implicates them specifically. australian society has been pushed towards the american model since at least the 50s, we've had over half a century of this brainwashing, on top of a colonial/immigrant cultural background which is already super FYGM

add to that the loving morons that reddit attracts, either literal 14 year olds or 14 year olds in the bodies of middle aged maladjusted losers.. and youre not going to get a rosy picture of the present or future

# ? Aug 19, 2020 08:05

Mattjpwns: Dec 14, 2006; In joyful strains then let us sing
ADVANCE AUSTRALIA FUCKED

https://twitter.com/friendlyjordies/status/1295875815196856320

This is the ideal Twitter meltdown. You might not like it, but this is what peak ALP shill looks like.

# ? Aug 19, 2020 08:12

Sulla Faex: May 14, 2010; No man ever did me so much good, or enemy so much harm, but I repaid him with ENDLESS SHITPOSTING

Why is friendlyjordies flipping out about that? I don't know about that particular union but the thing they're protesting is p. hosed so unless there's evidence it's some weird 4D chess where it's secretly being run by pigs or suits, idgi

# ? Aug 19, 2020 08:18

Electric Wrigglies: Feb 6, 2015

It also would not be necessary to immunize all the Aussie population I bet as well.
Just require a valid vaccination as a condition of coming into Australia and work on eliminating it in Australia (with possibly some selected immunizations) and job done without the cost or risk of immunizing 25 million people.

On some of the opponents of vaccination seemingly coming from the left, just remember Sweden is more left than most countries and its current leader is from the left of Swedish politics and Sweden is the poster child of mah freedoms and individual responsibility will protect us from Covid with the right side of Swedish politics calling for a more robust and collective response to Corona virus.

# ? Aug 19, 2020 08:18

Pile Of Garbage: May 28, 2007

Jordies attitude is very much that of someone who understands the superficial function and value of unions but does not understand the wider role of collectivism and how bullshit stratification harms effectiveness.

He's a craven dingus is what I'm saying.

# ? Aug 19, 2020 08:18

Mattjpwns: Dec 14, 2006; In joyful strains then let us sing
ADVANCE AUSTRALIA FUCKED

Sulla Faex posted:

Why is friendlyjordies flipping out about that? I don't know about that particular union but the thing they're protesting is p. hosed so unless there's evidence it's some weird 4D chess where it's secretly being run by pigs or suits, idgi

So far as anyone can tell, it's because he had a public spat with one of their senior members on social media and is now too deep in calling them "ex private school inner city drug lords" to back out. The dude "gets" economics and no one shreds the concept of the LNP being "superior economic managers" in a more consumable way for the masses so far, but on just about everything else to date he's been a loving moron.

# ? Aug 19, 2020 08:21

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Electric Wrigglies posted:

It also would not be necessary to immunize all the Aussie population I bet as well.
Just require a valid vaccination as a condition of coming into Australia and work on eliminating it in Australia (with possibly some selected immunizations) and job done without the cost or risk of immunizing 25 million people.

On some of the opponents of vaccination seemingly coming from the left, just remember Sweden is more left than most countries and its current leader is from the left of Swedish politics and Sweden is the poster child of mah freedoms and individual responsibility will protect us from Covid with the right side of Swedish politics calling for a more robust and collective response to Corona virus.

It actually probably would need to be near 100%, because covid isn't like a small cluster thing. It has exponential growth in just how insanely contagious it is. So even if aiming for herd immunity via vaccinations the numbers will need to be much higher than normal because those not vaccinated will be clusters themselves and those can continue to spread out of control.

# ? Aug 19, 2020 08:23

bobvonunheil: Mar 18, 2007; Board games and tea

On the Covid vaccine: I recall hearing that one of the difficulties in developing a coronavirus vaccine was that they could have the effect of making you more susceptible to the virus as it amplified the immune response.

I recall this was fairly common line of reasoning when talking about the difficulties of developing a reliable Covid vaccine.

My understanding is extremely vague, but so is the understanding of most people who will be concerned about taking the vaccine, and I think this is where generally reasonable people's concerns largely spring from.

# ? Aug 19, 2020 08:26

Electric Wrigglies: Feb 6, 2015

Lid posted:

It actually probably would need to be near 100%, because covid isn't like a small cluster thing. It has exponential growth in just how insanely contagious it is. So even if aiming for herd immunity via vaccinations the numbers will need to be much higher than normal because those not vaccinated will be clusters themselves and those can continue to spread out of control.

There was some chat some time ago about how immunization equivalent (for want of a better phrase) needed to be around 70% to keep R below 1.0. Social distancing, lockdowns etc all contribute to this and Australia has spent plenty of time below R1.0 without a vaccine for me to feel comfortable Australia can achieve it again with judicious use of social, distancing, contact tracing, vaccination, etc.

Maybe the assessment will be it is simply easier to do one round of vaccinations of everyone and then drop it off excepting the requirement for it to enter the country.

# ? Aug 19, 2020 09:03

Zenithe: Feb 25, 2013; _{Ask not to whom the Anidavatar belongs; it belongs to thee.}

Pile Of Garbage posted:

Jordies attitude is very much that of someone who understands the superficial function and value of unions but does not understand the wider role of collectivism and how bullshit stratification harms effectiveness.

He's a craven dingus is what I'm saying.

https://twitter.com/PunishedDilbert/status/1295977713103024129

You posted this and then I saw this and yeah, right on.

# ? Aug 19, 2020 09:11

NPR Journalizard: Feb 14, 2008

Zenithe posted:

https://twitter.com/PunishedDilbert/status/1295977713103024129

You posted this and then I saw this and yeah, right on.

Dont sign your posts, jordies

What an absolute fuckstick

# ? Aug 19, 2020 09:16

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Zenithe posted:

https://twitter.com/PunishedDilbert/status/1295977713103024129

You posted this and then I saw this and yeah, right on.

I don't know much about them but they fight for the right to things like above poverty line Centrelink payments and against draconian mutual obligations and this dickhead would know that if he took two seconds to read their website.

# ? Aug 19, 2020 09:19

kirbysuperstar: Nov 11, 2012; Let the fools who stand before us be destroyed by the power you and I possess.

Zenithe posted:

https://twitter.com/PunishedDilbert/status/1295977713103024129

You posted this and then I saw this and yeah, right on.

What a piece of poo poo.

# ? Aug 19, 2020 09:24

Zetsubou-san: Jan 28, 2015; Cruel Bifaunidas demanded that you [stand]🧍 I require only that you [kneel]🧎

Lid posted:

we're going to inject you with cowpox

here's the new cartoon from leak

# ? Aug 19, 2020 09:31

Pile Of Garbage: May 28, 2007

Zenithe posted:

https://twitter.com/PunishedDilbert/status/1295977713103024129

You posted this and then I saw this and yeah, right on.

Truly a staggering lack of perspective.

# ? Aug 19, 2020 09:38

Sulla Faex: May 14, 2010; No man ever did me so much good, or enemy so much harm, but I repaid him with ENDLESS SHITPOSTING

Zenithe posted:

https://twitter.com/PunishedDilbert/status/1295977713103024129

You posted this and then I saw this and yeah, right on.

oh man

lmao

# ? Aug 19, 2020 09:40

Megillah Gorilla: Sep 22, 2003; If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.; Bread Liar

So, how rich are Friendly Jordie's parents and which private school did he go to?

# ? Aug 19, 2020 09:47

Pile Of Garbage: May 28, 2007

I wonder if he'll go full bootlicker and claim that you're not a real union unless you're listed with the ROC

# ? Aug 19, 2020 09:51

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Sulla Faex: May 14, 2010; No man ever did me so much good, or enemy so much harm, but I repaid him with ENDLESS SHITPOSTING

Megillah Gorilla posted:

So, how rich are Friendly Jordie's parents and which private school did he go to?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newtown_High_School_of_the_Performing_Arts

apparently

e: oh, it's his birthday today. happy birthday, tosser

# ? Aug 19, 2020 09:54

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