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Wheeee posted:it's adorable that you're framing smg as the weirdo in this scenario i mean, smg has always clearly identified as an advanced chatbot
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josh04 posted:CineD didn't invent the subjectivity of art, you may have to aim a little higher to bring down this particular ediface the funniest thing about understanding things like postmodernism and poststructuralism is realizing that it's assumptions are utterly uncontroversial in any discipline where the interpretation of words has immediate material consequences no one has graduated as a legal expert without understanding this crap since the days of loving hammurabbi, and further, the process of determining meaning from abstract symbol is what thought itself is- philosophy, history, math, and science are fundamentally simply rules for doing this in a manner which will produce results with desirable specifications. not understanding it is something you have been carefully trained not to do, it is literally refusing to think. that's fine if, like, you're tired and just want to shitpost. just shitpost and don't get worked up because you skimmed an effort(poo poo)post or someone thought your shitpost was wrong (don't worry they all are) also i should add that virtually everyone who articulated post-theory was utterly complicit in the process of training you to not think about their ideas Hodgepodge has issued a correction as of 00:25 on Aug 19, 2020 |
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josh04 posted:CineD didn't invent the subjectivity of art, you may have to aim a little higher to bring down this particular ediface the exact type of post he was describing lol
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Aug 19, 2020 00:34
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Erm. Finally watching Doom Patrol season 2 and it’s not bad. Really suffers from a lack of Alan Tudyk though.
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Aug 19, 2020 03:38
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started putting DS9 on in the background since i haven't seen it since i was a kid, and chief O'Brien is the only actual human being in starfleet
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Wheeee posted:started putting DS9 on in the background since i haven't seen it since i was a kid, and chief O'Brien is the only actual human being in starfleet https://twitter.com/i/status/1168521685907230721 wish i could find a better source for this video, but o'brien is the best
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Serf posted:https://twitter.com/i/status/1168521685907230721 literally everyone else is a q-level being engaging in an elaborate backdrop to mess with the only actual self-aware mortal in the universe that he is the last person to take the idea of solipsism seriously is part of the joke
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Aug 19, 2020 06:20
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q pretending to not remember O’Brien from the enterprise and dismissing him as one of the ‘little people’ is a straight callout of the reality that Star Trek’s bullshit utopia remains a hierarchical class system
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Aug 19, 2020 06:31
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meaney also ownsquote:Meaney remains politically engaged and is disappointed by younger actors’ lack of interest in bigger issues. i would've loved to be there for the trots vs white supremacists debates
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Aug 19, 2020 12:54
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Whichever goon said that Steve Carell cannot be a dramatic actor was absolutely correct. I just rewatched Foxcatcher and it was more boring than I remember.
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Aug 19, 2020 13:31
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Wheeee posted:started putting DS9 on in the background since i haven't seen it since i was a kid, and chief O'Brien is the only actual human being in starfleet There’s also Barclay. He is proof our people will endure.
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Aug 19, 2020 13:37
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Remember the episode where O'Brien gets locked in a psychic torture prison for 30 years and comes out a completely broken man only to learn he was really only imprisoned for like an hour and then he goes back to DS9 and has such severe PTSD that he literally tries to kill himself and the episode ends with them saying the trauma is so severe that he may never get back to normal, and then they never mention it again and by the next episode he's back to being a lovable curmudgeon. Also the time when his wife got possessed by an evil demon and threatened to commit suicide if he didn't help the demon commit genocide. What I'm trying to say is that it seemed like the writers really had it out for O'Brien because all he wanted to do was work a shift and go home to his loving family and instead they kept finding elaborate ways to torment him.
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there was a nineties outer limits episode with david hyde pierce that had the same basic concept except that david hyde pierce invented the machine that does it and accidentally zaps himself with it while theyre about to try it out on a convicted prisoner in lieu of a sentence since it seems more humanitarian it ends with david hyde pierce losing his poo poo screaming that the machine is an abomination that needs to be destroyed anyway i sure am glad we learned our lesson that nineties crime political theory was laughably horrifically wrong and that torturing people just makes them crazy and even less rehabilitated and doesnt even slightly work as a deterrent
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Aug 19, 2020 14:10
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we're int he middle of a voyager rewatch and i have always been deeply unfair to this show i'm thinking jeri ryan and robert picardo are amazing actors and rejiggering the show around them was honestly the right call
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Aug 19, 2020 14:16
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Lol that they casted an actor named picardo
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Aug 19, 2020 14:18
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vyelkin posted:Remember the episode where O'Brien gets locked in a psychic torture prison for 30 years and comes out a completely broken man only to learn he was really only imprisoned for like an hour and then he goes back to DS9 and has such severe PTSD that he literally tries to kill himself and the episode ends with them saying the trauma is so severe that he may never get back to normal, and then they never mention it again and by the next episode he's back to being a lovable curmudgeon. I think they got into a groove tormenting O’Brien because the rest of the cast were geniuses, immortal geniuses, god touched commanders, etc. Basically, they’re hard to relate to. But a dope who, for starters, almost destroyed his marriage by pressing his botanist wife into moving to a station on the brink of collapse with no plants, because it was the only way he could figure out to get a promotion? Yeah, no, I get him.
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Zvahl posted:we're int he middle of a voyager rewatch and i have always been deeply unfair to this show i'm thinking I'm not gonna link it because I'm not gonna subject anyone else to a 40 minute video essay, but there was a very convincing one about how Voyager was good, actually, and that most of the criticisms against it were piddly nerd poo poo like "they couldn't possibly have had that many photon torpedoes" and "they lost too many shuttles with no way to replace them!"
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Aug 19, 2020 14:28
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yeah renegade cut has good takes on media in general and his video on rick berman's fuckery with star trek is a good way to get really mad if you like star trek i'm mostly noticing jeri ryan this time rn because all the snide comments about her getting cast for her boobs seem particularly dismissive when she does all the drat emotional heavy lifting for seasons
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i sincerely believe tos voyager and enterprise are all underrated for exactly those reasons tng is never held to that pedant standard even though its worse than all of them when it comes to coherent continuity qs character alone is a bigger gently caress up in that regard than anything those three shows did i blame ds9 personally since by doing continuity well it created unrealistic expectations for everyone else or at least it did before j j abrams decided to throw that all in the toilet for gratuitous explosions
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Aug 19, 2020 14:35
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gradenko_2000 posted:I'm not gonna link it because I'm not gonna subject anyone else to a 40 minute video essay, but there was a very convincing one about how Voyager was good, actually, and that most of the criticisms against it were piddly nerd poo poo like "they couldn't possibly have had that many photon torpedoes" and "they lost too many shuttles with no way to replace them!" The only real thing I know about Voyager is a video I watched years ago about an episode where the main characters turn into salamanders because of an evolution ray or some mumbo-jumbo. There was a behind the scenes clip where the producer talks about how it was a commentary on how evolution might not make us into super evolved masters of the universe in the future. The guy making the video was only concerned about how "evolution Ray's can't exist" and totally ignored that, as far as I can tell, for the point he wanted to make it was a pretty fine example? Like it's science fiction, it doesn't need to be rooted in fact, like who cares. I have never seen the episode in question so maybe it is actually a bad episode but If so it's bad for reasons nobody talks about
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Aug 19, 2020 14:45
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Me, an intellectual, watching a show where every other episode is about an all-powerful godlike being who can snap their fingers and turn Earth into a big donut: hmmm but you see an evolution ray cannot exist, i am very smart
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mandatory lesbian posted:The only real thing I know about Voyager is a video I watched years ago about an episode where the main characters turn into salamanders because of an evolution ray or some mumbo-jumbo. There was a behind the scenes clip where the producer talks about how it was a commentary on how evolution might not make us into super evolved masters of the universe in the future. The guy making the video was only concerned about how "evolution Ray's can't exist" and totally ignored that, as far as I can tell, for the point he wanted to make it was a pretty fine example? Like it's science fiction, it doesn't need to be rooted in fact, like who cares. yeah it's an absolute clown show of an episode that got a lot of negative attention even then because the premise is so memorable but tng ended a season with a clip show and never gets any guff for it
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Aug 19, 2020 14:57
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Voyager had some good episodes but it was mostly boring and bad
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Zvahl posted:yeah it's an absolute clown show of an episode that got a lot of negative attention even then because the premise is so memorable TNG also had an episode where the cast devolved into like spiders and lizards and stuff because of some wacky temporal anomaly or something involving Data's pregnant cat, but that one gets a pass because it's a surprisingly effective pseudo-horror episode where Picard and Data have to solve the problem before Picard devolves into a chipmunk or something, even though the premise itself is really silly.
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Serf posted:https://twitter.com/i/status/1168521685907230721 This was a fantastic episode. There was also a scene where Rom quotes from the Communist Manifesto to Quark. I've been rewatching DS9 as well and I didn't realize how insufferable Worf is as a character. I haven't seen TNG in a while but I don't ever remember him being that bad.
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AnimeIsTrash posted:This was a fantastic episode. There was also a scene where Rom quotes from the Communist Manifesto to Quark.
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vyelkin posted:TNG also had an episode where the cast devolved into like spiders and lizards and stuff because of some wacky temporal anomaly or something involving Data's pregnant cat, but that one gets a pass because it's a surprisingly effective pseudo-horror episode where Picard and Data have to solve the problem before Picard devolves into a chipmunk or something, even though the premise itself is really silly. Didn’t they kinda hint that Worf was at very least hunting and eating the other crew members? I’m guessing there was a whole lot of clearing the throat and looking the other way going on for a few weeks after they cleared that up.
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mysterious frankie posted:Didn’t they kinda hint that Worf was at very least hunting and eating the other crew members? I’m guessing there was a whole lot of clearing the throat and looking the other way going on for a few weeks after they cleared that up. the idea in that episode was that everyone was devolving which meant that worf became some horrible prowling beast because of course riker became a caveman which was okay i guess but deanna was an amphibian and barclay was a spider so I don't think it got a third script pass
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Zvahl posted:the idea in that episode was that everyone was devolving which meant that worf became some horrible prowling beast because of course Riker becoming a caveman was a lateral move for him. Watching the series again, I realized his main abilities were asking “I dunno... what do you think it means? and having Troi do the crew reviews for him while he hung out. Kinda clear why he kept turning down commissions; old dude would have been eaten alive if he wasn’t second in command to his bestie.
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mysterious frankie posted:Riker becoming a caveman was a lateral move for him. Watching the series again, I realized his main abilities were asking “I dunno... what do you think it means? and having Troi do the crew reviews for him while he hung out. Kinda clear why he kept turning down commissions; old dude would have been eaten alive if he wasn’t second in command to his bestie. imo one of the best parts of that episode is the beginning where the characters are starting to devolve but are still mostly trying to act like themselves, and what happens to Riker is that he just becomes really, really dumb and when asked anything by anyone just stares at them blankly for a full minute while he tries to figure out what the gently caress they're talking about
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vyelkin posted:imo one of the best parts of that episode is the beginning where the characters are starting to devolve but are still mostly trying to act like themselves, and what happens to Riker is that he just becomes really, really dumb and when asked anything by anyone just stares at them blankly for a full minute while he tries to figure out what the gently caress they're talking about undetectable symptoms are a bitch
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gradenko_2000 posted:I'm not gonna link it because I'm not gonna subject anyone else to a 40 minute video essay, but there was a very convincing one about how Voyager was good, actually, and that most of the criticisms against it were piddly nerd poo poo like "they couldn't possibly have had that many photon torpedoes" and "they lost too many shuttles with no way to replace them!" Voyager wasn't good but the amount of vitriol it gets is stupid. A lot of people have this utter hatred for Janeway because she doesn't get the ship back even though that's the whole premise of the show. mysterious frankie posted:Didn’t they kinda hint that Worf was at very least hunting and eating the other crew members? I’m guessing there was a whole lot of clearing the throat and looking the other way going on for a few weeks after they cleared that up. Also the doctor gets her face melted off. But at the end everything's fine and no one has any trauma about turning into monsters and trying to kill each other.
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AnimeIsTrash posted:This was a fantastic episode. There was also a scene where Rom quotes from the Communist Manifesto to Quark. The ds9 where worf goes to the pleasure planet and joins a fascist terror cell is an all-timer
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Action Jacktion posted:Also the doctor gets her face melted off. But at the end everything's fine and no one has any trauma about turning into monsters and trying to kill each other. I’m fairly certain Starfleet selected tng Enterprise crew based on their psyche screenings showing they possessed a superhuman ability to repress. That or they pump aerosolized benzos through the ship at all times.
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tng gets a pass because it had a few good actors and while the majority of episodes were bad the good ones were really good; voyager at its best reached the dizzying heights of 'tolerable' also tng was a product of the 80s and just plays everything straight, self-awareness is poison to star trek
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Action Jacktion posted:
awwkwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaard... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OV9lzsV_k6M
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q turning beverly into an irish setter was the best joke in all of star trek
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vyelkin posted:Remember the episode where O'Brien gets locked in a psychic torture prison for 30 years and comes out a completely broken man only to learn he was really only imprisoned for like an hour and then he goes back to DS9 and has such severe PTSD that he literally tries to kill himself and the episode ends with them saying the trauma is so severe that he may never get back to normal, and then they never mention it again and by the next episode he's back to being a lovable curmudgeon. The writers made 'O'Brien Must Suffer' a motto iirc, because as said he just sold it so well, though to be fair in a lot of cases Bashir suffered with him I love the bit where due to Shenanigans (and Nana Visitor's irl pregnancy... from Alexander Siddig) Kira is pregnant with O'Brien's baby and Keiko encourages them to have some time off together in a cottage which Kira and O'Brien look to each other with increasing horror as they describe how secluded and romantic it is
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trekkies all obsessed with this fantastic better world thinking they'd totally be picard or spock when in reality they'd be o'brien
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i want to be a useless ensign who dies because an lcars blows up
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