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Torrannor posted:I have a few hours of time to kill on Friday, and thought I would make the CK3 thread then. Any title suggestions? I know pdx is using it for marketing but it still fits Crusader Kings 3: An Heir is Born
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Crusader Kings 3: CK2 died under suspicious circumstances
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Aug 19, 2020 18:07
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Crusader Kings 3: Thread Title Lost on Succession.
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Aug 19, 2020 18:21
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-a9U0-EboQ The last video tutorial is here. Hope let's plays are quick to follow
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Aug 19, 2020 18:22
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Fader Movitz posted:Crusader Kings 3: CK2 died under suspicious circumstances
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Aug 19, 2020 18:23
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Veryslightlymad posted:Crusader Kings 3: Thread Title Lost on Succession.
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Aug 19, 2020 18:31
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I regret that I never lasted more than 30 minutes with a horse lord before quitting for one reason or another. were hordes badly designed or do I just suck?
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Aug 19, 2020 19:09
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Veryslightlymad posted:Crusader Kings 3: Thread Title Lost on Succession.
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ilitarist posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-a9U0-EboQ So what happens if you get big enough to be have the most counties of several cultures under your (indirect) rule? I assume a culture head has to be of that culture.
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Aug 19, 2020 19:16
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I never cared for their mechanics. Land management always felt wonky and the clan screen has been broken for ages. Every now and then I think I'll do a Genghis Khan run but give up on it quickly.
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Aug 19, 2020 19:17
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Veryslightlymad posted:Crusader Kings 3: Thread Title Lost on Succession. 
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Aug 19, 2020 19:19
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hordes are not designed to survive for long. the clan structure means that it's pretty much impossible to effectively maintain control for too long, and you're pretty much always at risk of some sort of horrible fallout. the benefit you get is that you can pay more attention to your initial avatar's culture/religion combo because your first strategic goal is definitely going to be to take a county you really like so you can go tribal. i'd argue you're not missing much just giving nomads a miss.
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Horse lords are just kind of boring imo. Tearing down land isn't as fun as building it up, so your gameplay is just amassing a big enough op retinue to take down some big empire and transition into being settled. Combat is a joke since you just have the best troop types and lots of them and at early start dates no one can compete with you. The longest I played as a Horde was just to get the Ghengis Khan title, and then I conquered pretty much all of India in one go...and then kind of gave up cause I mean who can stop me? Also is there a History of Rome style podcast about India/Tibet? Lacking any historical context for the region makes it not as exciting as Europe/Mid East to me.
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Aug 19, 2020 19:21
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Fat Samurai posted:So what happens if you get big enough to be have the most counties of several cultures under your (indirect) rule? I assume a culture head has to be of that culture. Right, they confirmed that in an earlier DD. The Culture Head is the landed character of that culture with the most counties of that culture. And if there is no landed character of a given culture, they get a random fascination with a moderately low learning score
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Aug 19, 2020 19:33
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Anyone watch today’s stream earlier? Anything new?
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Nomads basically ignore everything that makes CK2 interesting or difficult. You don’t have holdings to build or manage, you just burn everything to ash the second you take it. You’re rewarded for doing this with tens of thousands of gold, massive piles of tech points and troops, and afterwards the lands are instantly converted to the right culture and religion so they never rebel. The only vassals that matter are your 5ish clan chiefs, who are trivial to keep happy; everyone else can (and basically must) be revoked to landlessness for free the second you’re at peace. And of course you crush everyone on the battlefield because lol heavy cav retinues. Even other nomad realms are no threat, because they don’t understand how to play the nomad game - they leave their realms full of useless vassals and buildings, so you’ll outnumber them at a quarter their nominal size. The only threat to a nomad realm is that when you die the game might roll some dice and cut your realm into three pieces for no reason.
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I think my best nomad game was when I carved out a realm across the steppe as the Khazars, made all the land around the Black Sea my demesne and settled as a merchant republic to make fat stacks from both the sea and the silk road. I bent the knee to the Byzantines, maintained Tengriism in secret and slowly ate the empire from the inside out. I took over, turned everything Tengri, then conquered the holy land and gave it all to a trusted Jewish advisor. I switched to him and played as Israel for the rest of the game. I think the takeaway there is that nomads are more fun to start with than to play continuously.
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Anno posted:Anyone watch today’s stream earlier? Anything new? I watched it, and it didn't seem like there was anything drastically new that we haven't seen in dev diaries/CK2. The one thing I remember in particular was that we saw that "demand conversion" now may have vassals demand a payment in exchange. This seems to be something beyond the binary yes/no response. The impression I got from how they spoke about it seemed like vassals are much less likely to convert to a new faith for free if they don't convert when their liege adopts it; they will almost always ask for something in exchange if they will convert at all. They also mentioned that a Holy War aggressor has the potential to refuse a conversion in exchange for peace, though that didn't happen in this case. It also seems like adopting a new faith may be limited to once per lifetime. I don't remember if this was the case in CK2 or not. We did also see that Control went down drastically after their capital county was sieged down, and even with having their marshal attempt to re-establish control there it still hadn't fully recovered by the end. Losing control means the county gives fewer taxes and levies until Control is re-established, and any faith with clergy serving the Control function will get a bonus to Control in counties with a temple (Catholicism is one such faith). There were some other minor things, like the mental break system in action, the character become Rakish as the result of too much stress, and using the decision to visit the brothel caused the character to lose a huge amount of stress--I believe around 70ish. But they also got Lover's Pox, which seems a little harsher than it was in CK2 (the attraction penalty is heftier than I remember, and there's also some loss of "natural dread"). One of their lovers also immediately broke off their relationship when the character became afflicted (his sister, incidentally).
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I mean if you have to give a payment but they don't immediately start a secret society that seems like a fair trade, since after hidden religions became a thing I never asked anyone to convert because then I would just have a secret religion problem.
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Aug 19, 2020 20:28
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Veryslightlymad posted:Crusader Kings 3: Thread Title Lost on Succession. Has to be this 
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Nomads are pretty much the most overpowered thing in the game, even if you don't cheese the clan mechanics. Like once you get to be single empire sized (e.g. Persia) and burning down that empire sized territory, you should have enough pop growth (from burn bonuses) to support sufficient OP retinue horde stacks to fight half the world at the same time. lurksion fucked around with this message at 21:18 on Aug 19, 2020 |
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Aug 19, 2020 21:13
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ilitarist posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-a9U0-EboQ There's still more of these coming, he said the next one will cover military.
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ilitarist posted:
mmm I dunno he said Apollo was gonna be doing military tutorials next e: beaten, time to die
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Aug 19, 2020 21:25
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Veryslightlymad posted:Crusader Kings 3: Thread Title Lost on Succession.
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Ham posted:Has to be this I think you mean  But yes.
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Veryslightlymad posted:Crusader Kings 3: Thread Title Lost on Succession. Sounds like we have a winner!
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Veryslightlymad posted:Crusader Kings 3: Thread Title Lost on Succession. 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-53UbzPhiI
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Daktar posted:I think my best nomad game was when I carved out a realm across the steppe as the Khazars, made all the land around the Black Sea my demesne and settled as a merchant republic to make fat stacks from both the sea and the silk road. I bent the knee to the Byzantines, maintained Tengriism in secret and slowly ate the empire from the inside out. I took over, turned everything Tengri, then conquered the holy land and gave it all to a trusted Jewish advisor. I switched to him and played as Israel for the rest of the game. Paradox has a problem of making steppe nomads in their games either hilariously OP or trash imo.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Paradox has a problem of making steppe nomads in their games either hilariously OP or trash imo. I imagine it's difficult to really strike the right historical balance for them since you need to find a system that will represent the fact that for most of history they mainly fought amongst themselves but also for a very brief period they dominated an entire continent.
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Kingdoms & Generals' second video, covering the 1066 start. Great watch for finding interesting rulers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW91dnqSsAo Ham fucked around with this message at 20:02 on Aug 20, 2020 |
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Aug 20, 2020 20:00
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I hope intrigue will be useful for fully independent rules this time around.
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Does anyone know if you can have your own character fight as a Knight in your armies in CK3? I haven't seen all the streams, but it doesn't appear in the dev diaries either way
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Aug 20, 2020 22:02
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Veryslightlymad posted:Crusader Kings 3: Thread Title Lost on Succession.
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Aug 20, 2020 22:05
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Are knights the new commanders or are they separate?
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TheOmegaWalrus posted:Are knights the new commanders or are they separate? The videos make them seem like an asset in and of themselves. That the army might have an overall commander, but each knight contributes fairly significantly to your army's power. If they're any good, at least. Kaza42 posted:Does anyone know if you can have your own character fight as a Knight in your armies in CK3? I haven't seen all the streams, but it doesn't appear in the dev diaries either way The videos also show the king being in one of the armies. I dunno if you would be a knight per se, but still involved.
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It would be neat to have an option to lead from the front and get those knight like bonuses, or some incentive to "lead from the rear" if your ruler has no combat prowess. Like they'd get more prestige/piety if they are there in person for the battle, or morale bonuses for the army to see the ruler there, but less risk of randomly dying (but more chance of being captured if your army loses)
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Aug 20, 2020 22:31
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Veryslightlymad posted:Crusader Kings 3: Thread Title Lost on Succession. Yes
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Kaza42 posted:Does anyone know if you can have your own character fight as a Knight in your armies in CK3? I haven't seen all the streams, but it doesn't appear in the dev diaries either way i wonder if you can be a knight in your liege's army
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El Cid!  https://prnt.sc/u2ervs
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