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Who will you vote for in 2020? This poll is closed. |
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| Biden |
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425 | 18.06% |
| Trump |
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105 | 4.46% |
| whoever the Green Party runs |
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307 | 13.05% |
| GOOGLE RON PAUL |
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151 | 6.42% |
| Bernie Sanders |
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346 | 14.70% |
| Stalin |
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246 | 10.45% |
| Satan |
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300 | 12.75% |
| Nobody |
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202 | 8.58% |
| Jess Scarane |
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110 | 4.67% |
| mystery man Brian Carroll of the American Solidarity Party |
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61 | 2.59% |
| Dick Nixon |
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100 | 4.25% |
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Ed Markey would vote against a Grand Bargain style cut to social security and Medicare, Joe Kennedy would not. Gotta make sure we have the right votes there for a Democratic Senate majority!
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Aug 20, 2020 18:26
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Ruzihm posted:Liberals don't really have beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded. not even that, it's a very convenient rule to have if you do want to repel a leftward shift / hang on to your power whatever the cost and burning it down to cast a useless endorsement for a bad challenger is, well, V. Illych L. posted:what a bizarre intervention - she must be very keen indeed on kennedy to do something this risky
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Aug 20, 2020 18:27
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GreyjoyBastard posted:not even that, it's a very convenient rule to have if you do want to repel a leftward shift / hang on to your power whatever the cost and burning it down to cast a useless endorsement for a bad challenger is, well, Technically this doesn't violate the DCCC rule, as that rule only applies to the congressional races.
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Aug 20, 2020 18:28
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How many people did the DNC blacklist for running a primary against sitting democrats again?
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Aug 20, 2020 18:28
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e: wrong thread. Looking for uspol.
yronic heroism fucked around with this message at 18:39 on Aug 20, 2020 |
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Aug 20, 2020 18:37
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Shouldn’t the thread title actually be whoop whoop that’s the sound of the veep?
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Aug 20, 2020 19:00
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DeeplyConcerned posted:Shouldn’t the thread title actually be whoop whoop that’s the sound of the veep? No because that's funny
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Aug 20, 2020 19:01
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Pobrecito posted:In his 2007 interview with Russert as a presidential candidate, the “Meet the Press” host asked, “Senator, we have a deficit. We have Social Security and Medicare looming. The number of people on Social Security and Medicare is now 40 million people. It’s going to be 80 million in 15 years. Would you consider looking at those programs, age of eligibility…” the sad thing is they could have put social security and medicare on the right path by raising the cap on fica taxes. they didnt have to make peoples lives worse, they just chose to.
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Aug 20, 2020 19:01
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V. Illych L. posted:what a bizarre intervention - she must be very keen indeed on kennedy to do something this risky it’s not about the seat, it’s about sending a message gently caress you lefties
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Aug 20, 2020 19:16
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^^^ They also might still have ideas of him somehow running for president in the future, since for some insane reason there appear to be a bunch of Democrats who think Kennedy is someone who will inspire people (to be fair, boomer opinions about JFK are incredibly adulatory to the point of applying to other Kennedies through the transitive property of political assassinations, but that literally only applies to boomers).Ershalim posted:I think it's a matter of not understanding the cause of Biden's interest in the budget. They seem to be taking the position that Biden wasn't targeting social welfare, he was attempting to deal with budget shortfalls with a full freeze of government expenditure. To a lot of people, austerity seems like a sensible reaction to budget shortfalls because they envision government spending to be analogous to a household's spending. It's not, and there are a lot of very significant differences, but it's not super weird to see someone take "I did it for budgetary reasons" as "I didn't want this outcome but had no other real options." Yeah, this was my read of it. He was likely completely ignorant about the topic (though being unaware of something this basic to the topic of the thread is kinda concerning - I assumed the main talking point on this topic was "yeah he did that in the past, but he won't do it now") and upon hearing about it in this thread assumed that there must have been a big budget problem that urgently needed to be solved. The problem is that there's not much you can do if someone assumes good faith on the part of the party, because there will always be some excuse. And even if past wrong-doings are admitted, there's nothing stopping someone from blindly assuming the future will be different. Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 19:23 on Aug 20, 2020 |
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Aug 20, 2020 19:19
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There’s a reason the Lucy-and-the-football metaphor gets trotted out so often.
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Aug 20, 2020 19:22
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yeah being lovely as a 14 year old shouldn’t disqualify someone from trying to make the world a better place imo
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Aug 20, 2020 19:22
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ManBoyChef posted:the sad thing is they could have put social security and medicare on the right path by raising the cap on fica taxes. they didnt have to make peoples lives worse, they just chose to. That's a tax hike on the middle class!!!* *Middle class defined as households making up to $500k/yr
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Aug 20, 2020 19:23
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Pentecoastal Elites posted:I'll second what flamethrowa said, I do have genuine respect for you and people like you who are approaching this election from a place of pragmatism and hope, even if your arguments often frustrate (and sometimes infuriate) me. Every day I wish we were facing a better future and despite it all I still hold on to a pathetic hope that I'll be wrong and things will get meaningfully better. Generally speaking, arguments from people that disagree about any big issue are going to be explicitly frustrating as all hell because "but why don't they just see it my way???" but yeah ultimately everyone has their own peculiar set of reasons that they see the world through whatever weird lenses that they do. If you aren't periodically getting annoyed as hell at how other people see the world it's usually a sign you're spending too much time in echo chambers. Still doesn't make it any less frustrating in the moment though. Personally I'm a fan of trying to figure out peoples' values because that usually seems like the easiest way to find significant common ground to build off of and makes it easier to treat people with respect. anyways i just woke up, hopefully this makes sense Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 19:34 on Aug 20, 2020 |
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Aug 20, 2020 19:32
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Ytlaya posted:^^^ They also might still have ideas of him somehow running for president in the future, since for some insane reason there appear to be a bunch of Democrats who think Kennedy is someone who will inspire people (to be fair, boomer opinions about JFK are incredibly adulatory to the point of applying to other Kennedies through the transitive property of political assassinations, but that literally only applies to boomers). Should we make new "No Joe" tags for this or just use the current ones.
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Aug 20, 2020 19:33
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Rainbow Knight posted:yeah being lovely as a 14 year old shouldn’t disqualify someone from trying to make the world a better place imo Dude, underage revenge porn. We can do better than this.
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Aug 20, 2020 19:34
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How are u posted:Dude, underage revenge porn. We can do better than this. Maybe you can’t vote for him, okay. But what if you phonebanked for him? Best of both worlds, I think.
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Aug 20, 2020 19:36
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How are u posted:Dude, underage revenge porn. We can do better than this. Look he wasnt my first choice but you gotta vote for him and once hes in office you can try to change him
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Aug 20, 2020 19:38
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How are u posted:Dude, underage revenge porn. We can do better than this. yeah, we can also do better than a rapist for president. glad we're all finally on the same page.
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Aug 20, 2020 19:39
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Rainbow Knight posted:yeah being lovely as a 14 year old shouldn’t disqualify someone from trying to make the world a better place imo He can make the better world elsewhere, he doesn't have to run for office, he spread child porn and revenge porn, that's terrible and not getting to be a politician is a perfectly reasonable consequence of such a disgusting action. Have some standards, demand better.
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Aug 20, 2020 19:42
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spunkshui posted:It is a lie to say that Biden was specifically trying to attack Social Security when he very clearly says he wanted to freeze government spending. He specifically said freezing social security spending was part of it. Freezing social security spending is a benefits cut, both because more people are retiring, and because even if they weren't spending increases every year in the form of cost of living adjustments How is cutting social security not attacking it, is it magically not an attack as long as he's also cutting Medicare at the same time, therefore I guess he doesn't uniquely have it out for social security, he just has it out for anything that helps people in general? 
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Aug 20, 2020 19:43
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Rainbow Knight posted:yeah being lovely as a 14 year old shouldn’t disqualify someone from trying to make the world a better place imo Sure, and after 20 years or so of demonstrating that he’s changed as a person, I’ll be happy to support this kid. Like, please note that I am generally disgusted by our revenge-obsessed culture and the punitive idea of justice that undergirds our entire society. But I also don’t think that not getting to be a representative in our government is a punishment. He should absolutely be allowed to grow as a person and make amends for the lovely thing he did as a kid—but I don’t see why we should support him doing so as an elected official.
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Aug 20, 2020 19:43
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How are u posted:Dude, underage revenge porn. We can do better than this. Aaron's gaffe's are pretty low-level-cringe, and it's clear his heart is in the right place. If his administration governs well then I for one can't imagine having much of a problem with them.
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Aug 20, 2020 19:43
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World War Mammories posted:Maybe you can’t vote for him, okay. But what if you phonebanked for him? Best of both worlds, I think. Finally some reasoned discourse in this hellforum
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Aug 20, 2020 19:49
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There are people saying this KS guy was doing this poo poo two years ago too and it's unclear how articulate his apology is for revenge porn. I wouldn't feel comfortable voting for him under those circumstances.
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Aug 20, 2020 19:51
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Probably Magic posted:There are people saying this KS guy was doing this poo poo two years ago too and it's unclear how articulate his apology is for revenge porn. I wouldn't feel comfortable voting for him under those circumstances. whoa not so fast have we even interviewed the alleged revengee's old bosses and landlords? What if she bounced a check once? Does she even have a bachelor's degree I mean really. And furthermore but buttt Trummmppu?
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Aug 20, 2020 19:53
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Demiurge4 posted:How many people did the DNC blacklist for running a primary against sitting democrats again? The blacklist isn't a ban on the candidates themselves, it's a ban on consultants working for primary challengers. It's an insidious move that says "sure you're technically allowed to run against us, but you're not allowed to use any reputable vendor for your campaign, or any vendor that hopes to work with the DCCC in the future." I've seen leftist candidates on Twitter talk about how hard it's been to hire firms to help with their campaign due to the blacklist. I said come in! posted:I think the assumption is that 2nd term Trump that no longer has to care about winning the election, could do some serious damage. I'm not very knowledgeable about presidential history, but has this ever been the case? Has there ever been an administration that was relatively restrained in its first term, but then shifted to extreme positions in its second term? I still remember people that were disillusioned with Obama's first term working up the excitement to vote for him again in 2012 with "once he's not worried about re-election he'll start pushing for really left-wing policy!"
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Aug 20, 2020 19:54
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Ciprian Maricon posted:He can make the better world elsewhere, he doesn't have to run for office, he spread child porn and revenge porn, that's terrible and not getting to be a politician is a perfectly reasonable consequence of such a disgusting action. He can make the better world elsewhere, he doesn’t have to run for president, he stands accused of raping a woman, that’s terrible and not getting to be a politician is a perfectly reasonable consequence of such a disgusting action. Have some standards, demand better. (I see the nojoe tag, I’m just bitching into the void, not at you specifically.) VitalSigns posted:Finally some reasoned discourse in this hellforum foreverially jokerfied and loving it
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Aug 20, 2020 19:54
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https://twitter.com/HCTrudo/status/1296462436875276289
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Aug 20, 2020 19:56
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Malleum posted:Aaron's gaffe's are pretty low-level-cringe, and it's clear his heart is in the right place. If his administration governs well then I for one can't imagine having much of a problem with them. dude was blackmailing girls demanding more nudes or he'd send nudes to all their family and friends, which he then did. His victims are convinced he's a piece of poo poo who hasn't changed. Someone who has blackmailed people is a really drat bad person to give more power to. https://www.kansascity.com/opinion/editorials/article244930027.html quote:“I was just in disbelief that another man that doesn’t respect women is in power,” said the young woman, now 18, who says she attempted suicide after Coleman’s persistent verbal abuse in sixth grade. Having come to Coleman’s attention by dating a friend of his, the young woman recalls Coleman “calling me fat, telling me to kill myself, like I’m never going to find anyone, like I’m worthless, just downgrading me every day. I don't think he's just a fine guy who made a single mistake, he seems like a predator quote:Further indicating a failure to grasp the gravity of his past actions, Coleman recently and callously wrote a relative of the young woman who attempted suicide, saying, “I’ve moved on. They call the past the past for a reason, because that’s where you are supposed to leave things. At this point you shouldn’t move on for me, you should move on for yourself.” Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 20:07 on Aug 20, 2020 |
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Aug 20, 2020 20:04
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Herstory Begins Now posted:dude was blackmailing girls demanding more nudes or he'd send nudes to all their family and friends, which he then did. His victims are convinced he's a piece of poo poo who hasn't changed. How are u posted:Biden's gaffe's are pretty low-level-cringe, and it's clear his heart is in the right place. If his administration governs well then I for one can't imagine having much of a problem with them.
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Aug 20, 2020 20:09
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Herstory Begins Now posted:dude was blackmailing girls demanding more nudes or he'd send nudes to all their family and friends, which he then did. His victims are convinced he's a piece of poo poo who hasn't changed. That's a pretty chilling pattern of abuse. gently caress this guy, he shouldn't be anywhere near politics.
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Aug 20, 2020 20:09
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doesn’t help that the times article was paywalled
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Aug 20, 2020 20:11
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I'm seeing libs nor arguing that she isn't even going against the spirit of the ban since technically that only applied to house races. like give me a loving break
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Aug 20, 2020 20:11
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How are u posted:That's a pretty chilling pattern of abuse. gently caress this guy, he shouldn't be anywhere near politics. I totally understand. I see you, and I hear you. You’re still gonna phonebank for him, though, right?
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Aug 20, 2020 20:12
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Herstory Begins Now posted:dude was blackmailing girls demanding more nudes or he'd send nudes to all their family and friends, which he then did. His victims are convinced he's a piece of poo poo who hasn't changed. Yeah. Someone can espouse all the rhetoric they like but if you look at their history and see toxicity you shouldn't support them unless you want to support their brand of poison. He can grow and move on but he has to do that work and be cleared by someone who he hurt. Hoping folks win because of the words they're saying and not the beliefs they've lived by is part of why we're now seeing the real face of the Democrats and not liking what we see. We all wanted the Iraq War to have been a horrible mistake, but they got Colin Powell out front to talk up their guy and expected that to get a positive response. This child porn entrepreneur should be nowhere near power. Yes, more Dems winning means more power for the ones you like, but if the cost is seeing the party transform into something toxic, was it worth it? If your power base becomes people who support people like him, are they still really gonna support the things you want?
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Aug 20, 2020 20:15
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Herstory Begins Now posted:dude was blackmailing girls demanding more nudes or he'd send nudes to all their family and friends, which he then did. His victims are convinced he's a piece of poo poo who hasn't changed. Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. Every candidate has flaws. This is a very important election and we cant afford purity tests right now. He can be changed once elected. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Aug 20, 2020 20:16
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How are u posted:That's a pretty chilling pattern of abuse. gently caress this guy, he shouldn't be anywhere near politics. A couple of months ago one of the Pod Save guys had a nice thought that I liked: If you can't personally bring yourself to vote for Coleman but recognize that he still needs to beat Trump then vote how you need to, but consider helping Joe win by volunteering some time to phonebank or canvass for his campaign. Best of both worlds, for those who can't personally vote for Coleman.
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Aug 20, 2020 20:18
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Herstory Begins Now posted:dude was blackmailing girls demanding more nudes or he'd send nudes to all their family and friends, which he then did. His victims are convinced he's a piece of poo poo who hasn't changed. ok so what's the objection here, that he was never Obama's VP? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Bootleg Trunks posted:Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. Every candidate has flaws. This is a very important election and we cant afford purity tests right now. He can be changed once elected. Ok so the official mod stance is that you can make these arguments about Biden but not for anyone else. Got it.
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