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withak posted:milkshake ducked again
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Is there any reason they have to do the time skip at all in the TV show? I thought it would work just as well if you called it five years and handwaved some Laconian time dilation if you had to explain why they were able to field an armada in so short a time.
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Jun 26, 2020 14:33
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It's not just Laconia, there's also stuff like the Belter space cities and all the new colonized worlds being populated by more than a handful of settlers. It can't all be explained away that easily.
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Jun 26, 2020 14:50
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Yep. There's a shitload of stuff that happens in that 30 years. They're not going to cut that out. I've already seen Ty and Naren discussing publicly that they have plans on how to do it, they didn't specify what "it" was but was obvious it's the time skip.
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Jun 26, 2020 16:52
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The change in power shifts from Earth/Mars to the guild, and the level of colonization outside the solar system such that seizing the hub has species-wide ramifications rather than just going back to business-as-usual pre-gate would be implausible for 5 years time. It's way easier to handwave them looking nearly the same after 30 years as magic future space medicine than to get rid of the time jump and have the plot make sense while otherwise tracking the novels.
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Jun 26, 2020 19:01
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Also, if you don't skip ahead you either have to reduce the effectiveness of the asteroid attacks on Earth or make the next few seasons about misery porn as the food supply collapses. And, okay, it would probably be easier for Laconians to beat people up if everyone else is constantly fainting from hunger, but is it an engaging story?
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Jun 26, 2020 21:03
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Is the Let's Read The Expanse thread gonna reopen? It was a great read
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Jun 29, 2020 16:39
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banned from Starbucks posted:Is the Let's Read The Expanse thread gonna reopen? It was a great read It was a great read, I hope the OP reopens it once Jeffrey's reign begins.
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Jun 29, 2020 16:47
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It depends on the state of the forums going forward, unfortunately. We'll see what Jeffrey can figure out.
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Jun 30, 2020 00:27
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Lester Shy posted:I think that's by far the most confusing protomolecule-related event in the series and I'm interested to see how they make it work for TV. Or any of the wacky stuff from the end of book 4 for that matter. I thought it was kind of straight-forward and easy to understand. Then again, I tend to read a lot of weird SF. Anonymous Zebra posted:So I'm going to respond as if you haven't read any further than Book 4. My interpretation was completely different: 1.) It was literally a piece/individual of the Killers controlling the installation 2.) Because of this, the leftover ring-builder tech could absolutely not deal with this and needed Fake Miller to deal with this. Fake Miller was close enough to the original it could at least detect something was wrong, but still needed Human intervention to erase the intruder. Fake Miller absolutely did not act altruistic towards minds trapped in the Ring, as that wasn't a thing in the novel. I think you're just inventing things here. 3.) The other automatons were suborned by the intruder, attempting to stop Fake Miller from eliminating it. 4.) Entering the intruder allowed Fake Miller to do "something" to erase it, causing the planet machinery to stop going amok. As far as I can remember, and the plot summary on Wikipedia seems to support me there, the Ring had nothing to do with anything that happened in book 4.
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Aug 17, 2020 09:19
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Libluini posted:I thought it was kind of straight-forward and easy to understand. Then again, I tend to read a lot of weird SF. LOLWhut. Sorry, I'll try to respond to this less sarcastically. Did you read a single one of The Investigator chapters in Book 4? The first chapter literally describes the hellscape of human minds endlessly reliving their own moments of death over and over inside The Ring. Every chapter following that talks about the Investigator intentionally turning on the planet's systems under the guidance of the Ring, which repeatedly kills him over the course of the book for failing to determine a way to get the Ring's makers to tell it to stop reaching out. The final Investigator chapter literally talks about all the human minds finally going silent and being allowed to die and the Ring no longer "reaching out" because The Investigator drags all of that "code" through the black sphere erasing it. Did you read Book 4 at all? Did you read any of the following books? The Builders never had a chance against their enemies. Their antagonists literally erased their brains (and all of their technology, which was biologically-based and integrated into their collective consciousness), and they did so in a manner that the Builders could not even perceive, giving them no chance to defend themselves. Proto-Miller was acting against the interests of The Ring because he knew that the Ring was a computer that would keep bashing it's head against the same wall for eternity because no one would ever give it the command to stop reaching out. Miller didn't "Do" anything to the sphere except let it erase him. Like, if you haven't read past book 4, let me know now, but most of what I said is literally in the text of book 4. EDIT: I had to actually go back and make sure I was in the Book Thread before I posted, and that you weren't just talking about the TV show, but yup, this is the book thread and everything I just posted is kosher. Anonymous Zebra fucked around with this message at 09:39 on Aug 17, 2020 |
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Aug 17, 2020 09:32
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Sorry, but I read the entire series, and I remember book 4 vastly differently than you.
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Aug 17, 2020 10:37
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Libluini posted:Sorry, but I read the entire series, and I remember book 4 vastly differently than you. You're surely not the only person to rely this heavily on drugs during this era of extreme social isolation.
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Aug 17, 2020 22:15
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Anonymous Zebra is spot on, although I disagree that the Builders didn't have any chance to fight back; they were annihilating entire solar systems to try to stymie their spoopy enemies but it just didn't work!
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Aug 17, 2020 22:58
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Agreed with Zebra. Also, I'm not sure I'd consider blowing up one's own systems as fighting back, given there's no evidence yet that it did jack poo poo. That they were even trying that against something that can just delete parts of the universe and shut off consciousness suggests they were hilariously outgunned.
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Aug 18, 2020 04:04
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Enigma posted:Agreed with Zebra. Yeah, it was like cutting off your own arm in a desperate attempt to save your life...
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Aug 18, 2020 04:45
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From a nuke, though
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Aug 18, 2020 04:54
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Enigma posted:Agreed with Zebra. True, but they were still trying! I think I just misread AZ's post; I thought they said the Builders just got deleted all at once. They definitely knew something was up, since they at least tried, but I'm with y'all that they had no chance.
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Aug 18, 2020 11:10
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Libluini posted:Sorry, but I read the entire series, and I remember book 4 vastly differently than you. He was being particular about how he was responding as if the OP hadn't gone farther than book 4 because if you're up-to-date with the series, we've learned that the species that killed the Builders couldn't have left an intruder to control that particular station because they basically don't interact with our reality at all on any micro level, it's as if they're on a different plane altogether and mess up our reality as if they're splashing in a puddle and we're the water molecules. The sphere of unreality Miller goes through in book 4 is obviously a leftover byproduct of them messing with reality because we see the same kind of sphere on the big Laconian warship after they get hit with a reality-warping attack.
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Aug 18, 2020 16:07
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Read that as big Lacanian warship which, not gonna lie, would kind of rule [spoilers]the goths are intrusions from the lacanian real!!!! wake up and read french criticism god emperor duterte[/spoiler]
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Aug 18, 2020 16:59
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Phenotype posted:He was being particular about how he was responding as if the OP hadn't gone farther than book 4 because if you're up-to-date with the series, we've learned that the species that killed the Builders couldn't have left an intruder to control that particular station because they basically don't interact with our reality at all on any micro level, it's as if they're on a different plane altogether and mess up our reality as if they're splashing in a puddle and we're the water molecules. The sphere of unreality Miller goes through in book 4 is obviously a leftover byproduct of them messing with reality because we see the same kind of sphere on the big Laconian warship after they get hit with a reality-warping attack. Seriously, it could have been a byproduct they left on purpose. When I saw that sphere showing up in the Laconian warship, I was like "Yes, I was right about Nemesis!" just add a couple more exclamation marks to proper understand what I was feeling when reading it I always saw those spheres as an attempt from Nemesis to "look" at what the hell we're doing/trying to interfere with us. It's basically like they feel us/the Builders messing up their space and they're trying to have a look/target whatever is going on in our lower plane of existence.
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Aug 18, 2020 20:27
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They’re going to turn out to be dark matter I bet.
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Aug 18, 2020 20:51
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General Battuta posted:They’re going to turn out to be dark matter I bet. There going to turn out to be the god like conscious of the protomolecule that evolved without the Romans knowing about it until it was too late. It'll be a slave race rising up against their masters and the masters destroying everything to try and stop them. It'll mirror the human v human struggles that have been at the heart of the books.
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Aug 18, 2020 20:54
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Nah, they're the native inhabitants of ringspace, the romans paved over their anthills just like they did humanity's. Making peace with them will require the destruction of the ring network.
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Aug 21, 2020 04:11
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Having the ring gateway be destroyed as the conclusion of the story would feel really unsatisfying. Oh, after all that we're ending with everything back where we started?
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Aug 21, 2020 04:27
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The story is named The Expanse. Is this a story about the expansion of humanity in the present tense, or the past tense?
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Aug 21, 2020 05:06
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Seems like it's a story about "expanse" as a noun, ie something that is spread out over a wide area. They spend a lot of time thinking about the distances between things.
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Aug 21, 2020 05:14
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I think it would be really cool to cut off humanity from each other and to see how each branch of humanity evolves differently, but that would require a whole new series.
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Aug 21, 2020 12:00
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The Expands
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Aug 21, 2020 15:43
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Defiance Industries posted:Having the ring gateway be destroyed as the conclusion of the story would feel really unsatisfying. Oh, after all that we're ending with everything back where we started? Yeah, especially because with the time jump and then Laconia it feels like the rings aren't really a part of the story anymore. They are just a fact of the world now. Maybe if the third trilogy had spent more time exploring the rings and the different colonies rather than just having another major villain and conflict it could've of worked.
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https://www.crowdcast.io/e/expansebook9/registerquote:Join Orbit and James S.A. Corey (Daniel Abraham and Ty Franck) for an exciting announcement about book 9 of the Expanse series! After the announcement, the authors will take questions from the audience. Countdown shows 1 day, 22 hours from this post.
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Sep 14, 2020 20:50
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Lester Shy posted:https://www.crowdcast.io/e/expansebook9/register So we have a countdown until we get a countdown for when the book comes out?
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Sep 14, 2020 20:56
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Probably a release date. Or the ending got too big and it's two books now, though I think that's unlikely.
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Sep 14, 2020 21:01
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it seems there might be some kind of life floating around in the clouds of Venus. biomass for repurposing.... https://twitter.com/JimBridenstine/status/1305598182571810822?s=20
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Grand Fromage posted:Probably a release date. Or the ending got too big and it's two books now, though I think that's unlikely. They’re gonna split it in half because it got too big. It’s what I’d do, no one can resist the lure of 
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General Battuta posted:They’re gonna split it in half because it got too big. It’s what I’d do, no one can resist the lure of Checkmate to this guy in the other thread: Gobbeldygook posted:There is zero chance the show continues after the books. The ninth book will definitively end the series.
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General Battuta posted:They’re gonna split it in half because it got too big. It’s what I’d do, no one can resist the lure of If they want to give me two books instead of one I ain't complaining.
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Sep 14, 2020 23:30
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Two books, except one of the two books is about Marco Inaros's zombie consciousness coming back from the space between the gates to wage war against Laconia. you heard it first 
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Sep 14, 2020 23:45
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Jan posted:Two books, except one of the two books is about Marco Inaros's zombie consciousness coming back from the space between the gates to wage war against Laconia. Or about his zombie consciousness staying in that space and fighting whatever is there because he doesn't realize where he is
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Split it into two books? Surely you're all mad. They're gonna chop that bad boy into three parts and really milk it for all they've got. Covid's hurt a lot of industries and they want to secure their paychecks until this blows over.
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