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Catpetter posted:The classic: I have never seen this thing, but I'm not surprised that other scholars are reaching the same conclusion. If I'm understanding the unaltered portions correctly, kender are terminally chipper libertarians. edit: Here's a cartoon about a plot point I only vaguely remember now that I'm seeing this cartoon. Dude's partner turns out to be a dragon. We've all been there... haha! Right? 
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Internetjack posted:I was just remembering one of the fanfic spinoff books. "For years you have been asking who is a Gully Dwarf..."
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Huma was a pretty okay duder, classic knight hero that defeats a big evil plagues the world plus he claps them silver dragon cheeks iirc. Edit: Oh this was that Elf whatshisface in the OT. Galewolf fucked around with this message at 13:19 on Aug 22, 2020 |
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Soapy_Bumslap posted:A) Hating the name "Fistandantilus", just a trash name Fistandantilus He's the Sauron of Krynn, but look at his name. Fistandantilus. Good ol' Fistin' Dan. Surely he must have a nickname? One that's not so generic even a 13-year-old who posts dark ambient songs to YouTube wouldn't use it? Respectively: yes; no. 
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Aug 22, 2020 13:28
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Missed an opportunity not going with "Dark Fister" if you ask me
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R.A. Salvatore (the writer of all the Drizzt books) and I used to frequent the same mall so I have a bunch of poo poo signed. One day he was doing a signing thing at Waldenbooks and he got into an argument with my friend because my friend told him he was wrong about when his own book was coming out.
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i didnt knoa dragonlance was based on a game
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it’s the reeking cloud of rotten nerd fetishes that really makes the whole mess even more classy wow woah BIG titty fight grrl and a race of thieves who look like perpetual children (??!) WOAH hot ogres who are so sexy!! Wait we need more pedophiles how about a prequel book with an elf who is a young girl perpetually and can’t grow up fuckin’ skin crawl creepshow as the author masturbates over including their ERP masterpieces in a generic D&D romp
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hell astro course posted:
had a childhood 'friend' whose parents were a pair of abusive idiot hippy-dippy druids who were obsessed with all things fantasy and roleplaying, and their house was loving DIRTY, and the mother loved to repeat that stupid bumper sticker's phrase 40 year old woman and she's flailing her arms around cheering it out like the most twiddly-twee parody of a human you've ever seen
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Black August posted:had a childhood 'friend' whose parents were a pair of abusive idiot hippy-dippy druids who were obsessed with all things fantasy and roleplaying, and their house was loving DIRTY, and the mother loved to repeat that stupid bumper sticker's phrase this describes the type perfectly, down to the dirty house. Absolutely a type. God drat.
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hell astro course posted:
Oh, it's the opposite. That bumper sticker is aggressively mediocre. Dragonlance is that bumper sticker spread out over dozens and dozens of books that sold millions of copies.
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hell astro course posted:this describes the type perfectly, down to the dirty house. Absolutely a type. God drat. it was unbelievably gross, 10-year old me was silently wondering what the gently caress- they had rabbits who just shat everywhere, massive piles of dishes, mountains of books and papers lying about, DIRT-drenched carpets, weird hoarder stashes, you name it just a bunch of insane and dirty and child-abusing freaks who love their fantasy novels that desperately want to be erotic fiction, but they're too much of a coward to write it so they sublimate it forever into lukewarm fantasy slop
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hell astro course posted:this describes the type perfectly, down to the dirty house. Absolutely a type. God drat. Didn't specifically mention ferrets (my only note). edit: Black August posted:rabbits I was so close!
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DarkSoulsTantrum posted:R.A. Salvatore (the writer of all the Drizzt books) and I used to frequent the same mall so I have a bunch of poo poo signed. One day he was doing a signing thing at Waldenbooks and he got into an argument with my friend because my friend told him he was wrong about when his own book was coming out. Way back in college I worked in a mall Waldenbooks for a year or two where RA Salvatore would come in and sign things around the holidays presumably while he was doing actual X-Mas shopping (not as events or anything) but I only ever saw him doing this once- i was part time. The store manager told me that he asked about the offing chewbacca thing and Salvatore told him it was a mandate from above. I liked Dragonlance as a kid and borrowed a bunch of them from the library. The only one I owned was Dragons of Winter Knight and I remember Sturm getting got. "You can be a knight sturm or something but you can't wear your nice armor for reasons. Here is some leather armor hope noone stabs you in the meanwhile during our big siege here." I also remember the weird poem from the trip to the arctic or whatever and trying to figure out what was going on there and if the walrus people were literal walrus people. "Hot wind at the throat of feal-thas" for the elf hacking out the dragonlord dude's throat stuck for some reason. thanks ill drive on through
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They weren't particularly well written but I think the setting was interesting and there were some moments from the first three that stuck with me. If you have good memories of them as a kid don't revisit them.
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LOTR is way better but I think the first three Dragonlance books would have made better movies. LOTR is unfilmable without major compromises to the setting and story.
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Flint Fireforge was a relatable character because he was extremely racist against Kender
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Biggest atrocity Dragonlance commited was causing this to happen: https://youtu.be/yxzTqEvAhvc
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Arzakon posted:That said, I haven't done pen and paper nerd stuff in a decade but I still hope every time they announce the base world for whatever D&D rules update they are doing will be Dragonlance instead of boring rear end Drizzt poo poo. Yeah Dragonlance is derivative but at least its a palette swap of generic fantasy poo poo instead of just being generic fantasy poo poo. I'm not gonna open that box of books again to read and find out how wrong I am just let me have my memories. "Generic fantasy is boring as poo poo, but maybe the *next* version of the most bland, generic fantasy RPG in existence will turn out to be interesting and original!" I'm saddened, but in the light of the above not surprised, that you would find Dragonlance even moderately interesting.
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In the early 2000s WotC published the Book of Vile Darkness, a ~super edgy~ DnD supplement with rules for drugs, demon worship, sex, all that great stuff. To advertise for it, they included a special section in their monthly magazine Dragon, a set of sealed pages that you had to cut open if you wanted to read them. Tracy Hickman called receiving his copy of the magazine in his mailbox terrorism and compared it to 9/11.
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Lucky Guy posted:In the early 2000s WotC published the Book of Vile Darkness, a ~super edgy~ DnD supplement with rules for drugs, demon worship, sex, all that great stuff. To advertise for it, they included a special section in their monthly magazine Dragon, a set of sealed pages that you had to cut open if you wanted to read them. Tracy Hickman called receiving his copy of the magazine in his mailbox terrorism and compared it to 9/11. Yeah but then he read the book and said he overreacted and that it wasn’t anywhere near as edgy as anything produced by white wolf.
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In late 90s TSR culture, mentioning White Wolf in any positive context could get you fired. This is (as I understand it) not an exaggeration.
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Empty Sandwich posted:In late 90s TSR culture, mentioning White Wolf in any positive context could get you fired. They also didn’t allow developers to play test their games because the boss, who was not a gamer and hated nerds, considered it to be “playing games on company time”. So if you ever noticed balance issues (or a system just plain not working) back then, that was why.
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Nigmaetcetera posted:They also didn’t allow developers to play test their games because the boss, who was not a gamer and hated nerds, considered it to be “playing games on company time”. So if you ever noticed balance issues (or a system just plain not working) back then, that was why. Good.
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Just remembered Raistlin used his godlike magic powers to move to the only location that a Kender wouldn't wander into. A cursed and haunted tower in the middle of a city was the only thing safe from them.
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Big Beef City posted:Good. Balance issues affect everyone.
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The P&P RPG development scene has always been crawling and infested with sex criminals and creeps
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Black August posted:The P&P RPG development scene has always been crawling and infested with sex criminals and creeps I know, it takes a pretty sick mind to come up with kender.
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Nigmaetcetera posted:I know, it takes a pretty sick mind to come up with kender. “looks like young children forever race who steal and act innocent” gives me poo poo shivers for how blatantly fetishistic and child-rapey it’s slimed with
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I forgot these existed after I graduated middle school. I feel like I learned less by reading this thread, but I'm getting some good schadenfreude out of it. God do these books sound terrible.
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Herman Merman posted:I'm saddened, but in the light of the above not surprised, that you would find Dragonlance even moderately interesting. Was your Everquest character named "Elminster" or "Drizzt"? edit: Wasn't Greyhawk intended to be the most generic boring fantasy poo poo? Let's all unite against that. Arzakon fucked around with this message at 19:40 on Aug 22, 2020 |
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Read them as a teen. Enjoyed them. Have no intention of revisiting them nor pretension about their quality as an adult, but they helped get me into reading, so they did a good job and I appreciate them for that.
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Catpetter posted:The classic: I can tell that whoever made this image is a top-level expert in the field of making cringey media, so I trust their opinion on dragonlance completely and don't need to read any of the text in this image.
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Lucky Guy posted:In the early 2000s WotC published the Book of Vile Darkness, a ~super edgy~ DnD supplement with rules for drugs, demon worship, sex, all that great stuff. To advertise for it, they included a special section in their monthly magazine Dragon, a set of sealed pages that you had to cut open if you wanted to read them. Tracy Hickman called receiving his copy of the magazine in his mailbox terrorism and compared it to 9/11. That book was quite tame compared to  stuff White Wolf was chucking by the spades (usually under the Black Dog sub-brand because holy poo poo) such as Clanbook: Baali or Charnel Houses of Europe. The "good" equivalent of the Book of Vile Darkness (Book of Exalted Deeds) had some gamebreaking poo poo like divine damage unarmed attacks but I think the evil version was a better sourcebook in general. Most of this
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Salt Fish posted:I can tell that whoever made this image is a top-level expert in the field of making cringey media, so I trust their opinion on dragonlance completely and don't need to read any of the text in this image. While this researcher's points are astute, this is basically a hosed-up graphic from the 2001-era frontpage.
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Hey now, Charnel Houses of Europe was incredibly not-terrible and super respectful given its premise and being from the publishers of WOD: Gypsies. It's still one of the more well written books White Wolf (or Black Dog) ever put out.
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I must be mistaking CHoE with something else than. Didn't that book had artwork of goat demons with penises dancing with naked nuns?
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Tanis Half-Elven Diet Aragorn, down to the elven blood, except more of it. He grew up shunned by the elf racists on his mom's side (who aren't supposed to bone down with humans) and the human racists on his dad's side (humans hate everybody). He has a rugged, manly beard. Still cliché, but more interesting. Lets see where they went with it: Dragonlance Fandom Wiki posted:In the beginning, Margaret Weis had problems depicting Tanis Half-Elven in the novels. Tracy Hickman finally told her "He's James T. Kirk of the Starship Enterprise." After that explanation, Margaret had no more difficulty writing about Tanis. Oh. Alas, there is no evidence for the validity of this statement anywhere in the novels.
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