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bvj191jgl7bBsqF5m posted:I haven't paid any attention to the CPC leadership race but what's O'Toole's deal? Is he a neocon? Evangelical? Fascist? Anime fan? Tell me his crimes. He's here to stop the communists from erasing history.
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Hand Knit posted:He's here to stop the communists from erasing history. Good the soviet union has been living high on the hog for too long
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Aha, did they talk about the USSR more than the 15 seconds I saw? It's hilarious that these late GenX conservatives are all getting up to talk about the menace of Communism, East Germany, and the USSR, things that ended in their childhoods. Why not just go all in and pretend you went to Vietnam and are in fact a Baby Boomer. Their world view is so narrow, bleak, and out of date that they have to literally pretend to be both solidly from, and still living in, a world that disappeared over three decades ago. gently caress it, the USSR was around while I was in my infancy. I'm just going to start telling people how great the USSR and Yugo were, based on my personal experiences with those.
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Aug 24, 2020 07:27
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oh thank god the conservatives picked another ineffectual charisma void to lead them, surely our left wing will be able to capitalize on the opportunity this time
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CPC propaganda: "we want a leader who can reach out to all cultural groupings of canadians" CPC leadership race: "irish is a minority, right?"
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I'm moving forward with setting up an organizing committee for the DSC in Kitchener. I understand other people's concerns about Joe Roberts, but I think this is a good opportunity. I'll keep my guard up in any case. Anyone who is interested in contributing, feel free to contact me. I've also contacted the IWW about a local in the area, and while there is not one in Kitchener, we're apparently grouped with Hamilton. Well, that's my blog post. Edit: Oh, I missed that officers from other unions can't join. Welp. PhilippAchtel has issued a correction as of 13:38 on Aug 24, 2020 |
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Eox posted:oh thank god the conservatives picked another ineffectual charisma void to lead them well, yes. i mean they could only pick from the candidates
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bvj191jgl7bBsqF5m posted:Just found out that Erin O'Toole is younger than Justin Trudeau lmao Barely, Scheer and Singh are both 7 years younger than Trudeau.
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Aug 24, 2020 15:41
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i for one welcome Prime Minister Freeland
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it's cool that we will get to choose between someone who unironically admires nazis, and erin o'toole in the next federal election. big choices
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linoleum floors posted:I feel like I should have an opinion about this but I can't bring myself to care it's a shame we changed the thread title so recently
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Aug 24, 2020 16:03
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poo poo, we really are just USA a few years behind. Can't wait to say that I am not voting for a nazi.
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infernal machines posted:it's cool that we will get to choose between someone who unironically admires nazis, and erin o'toole in the next federal election. big choices O'Toole is going to turn beet red screaming while leading a chant of Lock Her Up and no one will care what Freeland said about her grandfather
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Aug 24, 2020 16:08
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Can someone please do a 5-6 bullet point serious post about what O'Toole is about
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- was in the RCAF - cabinet minster for vets in Harpers government - likes to yell and be angry - preferred choice of Stephen Harper - not bilingual - represents a 905 riding - aging rapidly
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Another Bill posted:- was in the RCAF thanks i hate it
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Who gets more votes in Quebec? The party with the leader who can't speak French, or the party with the leader who wears a turban?
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Normy posted:Who gets more votes in Quebec? The party with the leader who can't speak French, or the party with the leader who wears a turban? 
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I'm a Quebecer who voted NDP in the last election and will fully admit that they are a lovely, flip-floppy "progressive" party. Maybe there are more reasons than just racism as to why people don't trust them.
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Don Pigeon posted:I'm a Quebecer who voted NDP in the last election and will fully admit that they are a lovely, flip-floppy "progressive" party. Maybe there are more reasons than just racism as to why people don't trust them. sure there are, but as you noted, you still voted ndp. ask the people who didn't
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infernal machines posted:sure there are, but as you noted, you still voted ndp. Electoralism is such a joke anyway. Like you guys said, it doesn't matter how terrible the Conservative leader is, eventually attrition will wear the Liberals down and we're gonna get 10 years of Harper 2.0.
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CommonShore posted:Can someone please do a 5-6 bullet point serious post about what O'Toole is about I was serious about the erasing history thing. He goes on about that a lot.
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Israel taking land is erasing roman history
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On the subject of next election candidates, is there anything horrible about Freeland except for "Nazi grandpa" and the general horribleness that's associated with Liberals in general? There's approximately zero chance I'd vote Liberal anyway, but it's hard to find any other information, really. Everyone outside of this site seems to be lining up to praise her as the greatest politician of our generation, and the forums are obsessed with the nazi grandpa thing, which sure, I guess, but I'm finding it hard to get worked up about someone not denouncing their grandfather.
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enki42 posted:On the subject of next election candidates, is there anything horrible about Freeland except for "Nazi grandpa" and the general horribleness that's associated with Liberals in general? Nazi grandpa isn't something that stands on its own, but is tied to a greater project of multicultural nation-building that ties authentic multi-cultural membership to murderous anti-communist politics. See yesterday's "celebration" of Black Ribbon day, the construction of the Victims of Communism memorial in Ottawa, and our previous discussion here about the politics surrounding the Ukrainian-Canadian identity. It also materializes in a foreign policy that supports neo nazi paramilitaries in Eastern Europe. While Freeland is obviously not alone in this, it does show that "I love my nazi grandpa" has material consequences beyond a goofy soundbite.
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Wasnt she seen as quietly aligning foreign policy with the US to keep them happy while Trudeau got to act tough on trade talks for the press? Our countrys endorsement of a right wing coup in Bolivia was all I needed to see to make my mind up.
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Hand Knit posted:Nazi grandpa isn't something that stands on its own, but is tied to a greater project of multicultural nation-building that ties authentic multi-cultural membership to murderous anti-communist politics. See yesterday's "celebration" of Black Ribbon day, the construction of the Victims of Communism memorial in Ottawa, and our previous discussion here about the politics surrounding the Ukrainian-Canadian identity. It also materializes in a foreign policy that supports neo nazi paramilitaries in Eastern Europe. yeah, nazi grandpa is a bit of a joke, but having honest to goodness war memorials to nazi battalions isn't. these two points are inextricably linked, and freeland falls on the side of "willing to celebrate, commemorate, venerate, and support nazis past and present", which is a less than ideal position for a potential PM yippee cahier posted:Wasnt she seen as quietly aligning foreign policy with the US to keep them happy while Trudeau got to act tough on trade talks for the press? that was the implication of a paper no one can read, and seeing as it's basically her job, probably.
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yippee cahier posted:Our countrys endorsement of a right wing coup in Bolivia was all I needed to see to make my mind up. Venezuela was before that, also something about Haiti I think? We are just a US vasal state. Also everything about US posture with regards to China. Edit: Also still supplying arms to Saudis. Also suppressing BDS and anything that comes out against Israel.
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theres also the fact that we have a bit of a serious Nazi problem in 2020, so its gonna take more than who cares its just her grandpa to satisfy people who are threatened by said problem
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Lostconfused posted:Venezuela was before that, also something about Haiti I think? We are just a US vasal state. Also everything about US posture with regards to China. Yeah I mean... if 'following the US lead on foreign policy' is the sin every government we've ever had is probably guilty.
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Juul-Whip posted:theres also the fact that we have a bit of a serious Nazi problem in 2020 does anyone have only a slight nazi problem?
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I just have a little bit of chlamydia.
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yippee cahier posted:Wasn’t she seen as quietly aligning foreign policy with the US to keep them happy while Trudeau got to act tough on trade talks for the press? Shes a massive interventionist and her entire career is built around being a Neo Cold Warrior. cant wait to see what her anticommunist outlook brings to the finance minister role
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Canada has always been a distinctly second tier power that had to operate within the rules set by its more important allies, in particular America, but that doesn't mean that all Canadian administrations have been equally obsequious to American foreign policy. Canada actually did used to have its own foreign policy and it did stake out positions that were contrary to America. Freeland absolutely stands out in terms of being extremely close to Trump's foreign policy agenda, especially in Latin America. Obviously part of that is because Canada has its own nefarious interests to secure there but this idea that all Canadian administrations are equally bad on this front is ridiculous.
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Helsing posted:Canada actually did used to have its own foreign policy and it did stake out positions that were contrary to America. Yes, when England told us to 
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DynamicSloth posted:Barely, Scheer and Singh are both 7 years younger than Trudeau. Ok but they don't look, like, 60
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My wife guessed 62 this morning regarding how old O'Toole was.
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Canada towing the US line is definitely a much more recent phenomena. We had good relations with Cuba throughout the blockade. You have to hand it to Chretien for not invading Iraq... Also there was the entire peacekeeping era, which while fraught with problems, still probably represents a high-point in Canadian foreign relations.
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