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Bad news, looks like reinfection can happen quickly https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/24/world/covid-19-coronavirus.html#link-4b468050
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AEMINAL posted:Bad news, looks like reinfection can happen quickly I'd really love to read this but not so much that I'd want to subscribe to some online rag
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Aug 24, 2020 15:56
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Colonel Cancer posted:I'd really love to read this but not so much that I'd want to subscribe to some online rag in short: quote:hong kong scientists compared the virus in a person who had 4 months between two instances of being sick with covid, and the viruses in them back then were very different from the virus found now, so this is not the same virus in their body resurging, but a different generation of covid infecting them again
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Aug 24, 2020 16:03
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One thing that jumps out at me from that article is the mention that reinfection is rare but possible, and that researchers hoped that SARS-2 would behave like SARS-1 and MERS, where immunity to both lasts for years. Except there were only about 2500 human cases of MERS, and something like 8500 cases of SARS-1. That's barely a blip compared to SARS-2. Of course we'll see more rare events when we have more infections by multiple orders of magnitude. Not to mention that SARS-1 and MERS burned out real fast, so unlike now, you weren't still surrounded by sick people after your recovery.
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Aug 24, 2020 16:07
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Mithaldu posted:in short: And in short, that's pretty bad news.
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Aug 24, 2020 16:08
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Wait, so once the vaccine finishes, is it going to be like the flu shot where they guess the worst strains and can put out a new one every year or will it forever be a multi-month testing process for each that the virus mutates faster than?
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Aug 24, 2020 16:13
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I can't get too worked up about one confirmed/credible case of anything relating to covid, so much of this stuff changes so quickly so I have decided that I'm not going worry about re-infection yet
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Aug 24, 2020 16:26
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yook posted:Wait, so once the vaccine finishes, is it going to be like the flu shot where they guess the worst strains and can put out a new one every year or will it forever be a multi-month testing process for each that the virus mutates faster than? Influenza does horizontal gene transfer fuckery that makes it mutate uniquely fast. SARS-2 can’t do that, and to the extent it can mutate, it’s not fast enough to make it a yearly thing. The few thousand people who survived SARS are protected against SARS-2, sixteen years later, and SARS-2 isn’t even a direct descendant. The family resemblance is enough to prime the immune system.
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Aug 24, 2020 16:27
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Yeah we already knew that a nontrivial percentage of people don't mount much of an immune response to this. Friendly obligatory reminder that it's inherently the visible, newsworthy stuff that gets reported on, not invisible/non-newsworthy stuff (like the many people who've avoided multiple infections through immunity), don't panic about one article, etc. Also, this thing mutates much more slowly than the flu. That's fairly uncontroversial last I checked. 24 nucleotides' difference is not a whole lot in a 29kb genome, and we already knew that some genes mutate faster than others (this is the norm in biology). They may even have been boring mutations that didn't change the amino acid, and thus the protein they create, which means any theoretical treatment targeting them wouldn't be affected. Platystemon posted:Influenza does horizontal gene transfer fuckery that makes it mutate uniquely fast. Zugzwang fucked around with this message at 16:43 on Aug 24, 2020 |
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Aug 24, 2020 16:34
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Colonel Cancer posted:I'd really love to read this but not so much that I'd want to subscribe to some online rag Just in case anyone doesn't know, the NYT paywall loads after the text and images--just reload the page and then manually stop it before the paywall comes up! Or you can use a site like Pocket, then you add the link to your articles and you can read it in there (works for a few other sites too but not WaPo).
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Aug 24, 2020 16:55
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this case is interesting because it's the first one that was proved by genetic sequencing to involve re-infection on separate occasions rather than a resurgence of a dormant virus the good news is that on the second go-around the guy had no symptoms. hopefully this means our immune systems work properly here and this is true in general hopefully!
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As for all things. The devil is in the details. The people publishing that article have not shared the full-text of their methods or figures with other scientists, essentially trying to create a big splash in the media before peers can criticize it. I can go through all the issues or you can follow this twitter thread which covers all the issues with this study. https://twitter.com/angie_rasmussen/status/1297894265410875394 In short: This guy apparently never had an immune response to the first infection, which might explain him getting reinfected, but we can't even be sure of that because the details of the paper are being kept under wraps. Always be skeptical when the press release comes before the article.
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Aug 24, 2020 19:12
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how many mustard stains does everyone's mask have be honest here
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Platystemon posted:The few thousand people who survived SARS are protected against SARS-2, sixteen years later, and SARS-2 isn’t even a direct descendant. The family resemblance is enough to prime the immune system. How do you know that?
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numberoneposter posted:how many mustard stains does everyone's mask have Not sure how you'd get mustard on your mask. Do you try to take a bite of your hotdog without removing the mask first?
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numberoneposter posted:how many mustard stains does everyone's mask have I cut myself shaving there are spots it’s like a face tampon
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Aug 24, 2020 19:36
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broke: wearing a mask to avoid disease woke: wearing a mask to avoid smoke
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Facebook Aunt posted:Not sure how you'd get mustard on your mask. Do you try to take a bite of your hotdog without removing the mask first? Pretty sure he means on the inside. Don't ask me how I know this.
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Woof Blitzer posted:broke: wearing a mask to avoid disease Hope: Wearing a mask cos your diving under the sea to find sunken pirate treasure!
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Facebook Aunt posted:Not sure how you'd get mustard on your mask. Do you try to take a bite of your hotdog without removing the mask first?
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Aug 24, 2020 19:56
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I'm going to start selling masks with built in vape. You can vape without taking off the mask. I'll remember you guys when I am Steve Jobs rich.
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Neutrino posted:I'm going to start selling masks with built in vape. You can vape without taking off the mask. I'll remember you guys when I am Steve Jobs rich. We'd prefer that you forget us
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Aug 24, 2020 20:42
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greazeball posted:Just in case anyone doesn't know, the NYT paywall loads after the text and images--just reload the page and then manually stop it before the paywall comes up! Also: "The Times is providing free access to much of our coronavirus coverage"
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Aug 24, 2020 20:43
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Google News removed the extra Covid link at the top. It's officially over, folks.
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Aug 24, 2020 23:24
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Sir Not Appearing posted:Google News removed the extra Covid link at the top. It's officially over, folks. No longer generating enough ad views for them to care anymore
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Aug 24, 2020 23:28
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The Glumslinger posted:No longer generating enough ad views for them to care anymore Even as a joke this makes no sense.
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as a literal indictment that sentence makes perfect sense in german google news the link is still there tho
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Aug 25, 2020 00:13
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I am getting increasingly disappointed in the GOP as time goes on. Everything about it.
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Aug 25, 2020 00:36
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Delta-Wye posted:How do you know that? Scientists took plasma from the SARS survivor and exposed it to SARS-2. The antibodies neutralised SARS-2.
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Platystemon posted:Scientists took plasma from the SARS survivor and exposed it to SARS-2. The antibodies neutralised SARS-2. Great, thanks for the link, I hadn't seen that article yet. I can't follow most of the deets in the body (not my area) but the idea is pretty interesting.
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Michael Corleone posted:You all think I am crazy already, so let me ask, if someone has antibodies and a compatible blood type what is the downside to trying a little DIY blood transfusion at home?! You risk infection for one thing. I'm not a doctor but I did have a blood infection called lymphangitis and let me tell you, it is super unnerving to watch a red line track up your arm while you wait for the antibiotics to kick in.
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I did my first gig-based food delivery shift on Sunday. It... actually went pretty smoothly, all things considered. I made a little over $50 for 7 hours of work, which isn't anywhere close to a good or even just acceptable wage in any civilized country, especially since I had to spend $20 on gas to just be able to do my job, but I'm only working this job at all to save up for an expensive purchase I gotta make soon so I guess it could be worse?  Anyway my next shift starts in about 8 hours. Hope I don't get COVID! 
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So you made about four dollars an hour without even accounting for wear and tear on your vehicle and any other extraneous costs. It really doesn't seem worth it tbh.
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Miami wants to have 13,000 fans at their home opener in Sept! https://www.sportsnet.ca/football/n...hapqd23vxdMIfYk Seems like a bad idea imo!
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Saros posted:So you made about four dollars an hour without even accounting for wear and tear on your vehicle and any other extraneous costs. still more than the zero dollars an hour I was making before
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I. M. Gei posted:I did my first gig-based food delivery shift on Sunday. Dude. That's like, really horrible. I made more money than that when I worked at a movie theater when I was 16 years old in 1999.  Come on man you can do better than that. I really hope so.
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Pennywise the Frown posted:Dude. That's like, really horrible. I made more money than that when I worked at a movie theater when I was 16 years old in 1999. My last full-time job lasted a month and a half and ended in July 2018. And my work history even before that is......... let's just say "thin". Especially with all this pandemic poo poo going on, my cup don't exactly runneth over with options right now.
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I. M. Gei posted:still more than the zero dollars an hour I was making before I'd try pissing myself on clips4sale
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I. M. Gei posted:Especially with all this pandemic poo poo going on, my cup don't exactly runneth over with options right now. Fingers crossed you get some decent tips The last time I ordered pizza home delivered I left a 45% tip on my front porch but the delivery dude must have been in a hurry because they left the pizzas sitting on top of my front fence so they didn't even see the cash I fuckin' tried
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