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Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

thats just a nerd culture thing in general on both fronts tbh

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Skippy McPants
Mar 19, 2009

Endorph posted:

thats just a nerd culture thing in general on both fronts tbh

Yeah, fandoms are a magnet for creeps and predators, and it's really crapshoot whether or not a given community puts in the required effort to make it a protected space.

claw game handjob
Mar 27, 2007

pinch pinch scrape pinch
ow ow fuck it's caught
i'm bleeding
JESUS TURN IT OFF
WHY ARE YOU STILL SMILING
So Lab Zero's loving dying. (Not undeservedly, if the dude won't go, but...)

https://twitter.com/kinucakes/status/1297985084604129280

I feel like this is a deathblow.

edit: yep that's a second major animator

https://twitter.com/personasama/status/1297982976156774400

claw game handjob fucked around with this message at 21:19 on Aug 24, 2020

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

END ME SCOOB posted:

So Lab Zero's loving dying. (Not undeservedly, if the dude won't go, but...)

https://twitter.com/kinucakes/status/1297985084604129280

I feel like this is a deathblow.

edit: yep that's a second major animator

https://twitter.com/personasama/status/1297982976156774400

so this dumb sex monsters stupid spiteful decision has destroyed his company and pushed every talented person away because of their awfulness. what a shock.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

Dapper_Swindler posted:

so this dumb sex monsters stupid spiteful decision has destroyed his company and pushed every talented person away because of their awfulness. what a shock.

Don't worry he's the real job creator and people will be flocking to be creeped on hired by him.

ThisIsACoolGuy
Nov 2, 2010

Shaped like a friend

Was MikeZ always known to be awful? I know a handful of people like Maximillian and the SBF talking positively about him way back when so I always just kind of assumed he was a good dude even though I never really knew much about him- so feeling pretty angry with myself that I shot him a congrats message for the launch of Indivisible and told a few friends that "yeah from what I hear he's a cool dude".

Grand scheme it's not much and I've been walking that second one back but still.


Oh and another one leaves.

https://twitter.com/JebusMatoi/status/1297991666205417473

E: Oh I didn't realize this was a alt for Persona?? I think??

ThisIsACoolGuy fucked around with this message at 00:02 on Aug 25, 2020

RottenK
Feb 17, 2011

Sexy bad choices

FAILED NOJOE
jesus mike z loving sucks

https://twitter.com/carbonbae/status/1297678758028161024

feel sad about Indivisible (and maybe Skullgirls) probably going down in flames, but that's a more than acceptable price for no longer enabling this dipshit

DEEP STATE PLOT
Aug 13, 2008

Yes...Ha ha ha...YES!



ThisIsACoolGuy posted:

Was MikeZ always known to be awful?

didn't he go out of his way to hire a dude who drew porn of skullgirls characters as an artist for dlc characters for the game or some poo poo? that always made him sound...weird.

Ibram Gaunt
Jul 22, 2009

DEEP STATE PLOT posted:

didn't he go out of his way to hire a dude who drew porn of skullgirls characters as an artist for dlc characters for the game or some poo poo? that always made him sound...weird.

that guy was hired for doing some fan animation of big band or something. i think he was a porn artist too but like...that also describes like all the artists at lab zero so i dont think thats weird on its own. (and like every artist in the industry period)

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

that guy just offered to do some quick work on the game for a low price because he liked the game and mike z accepted because low price

plus theres stories from the games development of mike z walking back some of the pervier stuff the animators wanted to do. dudes obviously a creep but i dont think he was the one pushing skullgirls to be incredibly raunchy or anything. like i doubt he was complaining but still, i dont think it was something that had him as a sparkpoint

Dias
Feb 20, 2011

by sebmojo

ThisIsACoolGuy posted:

Was MikeZ always known to be awful? I know a handful of people like Maximillian and the SBF talking positively about him way back when so I always just kind of assumed he was a good dude even though I never really knew much about him- so feeling pretty angry with myself that I shot him a congrats message for the launch of Indivisible and told a few friends that "yeah from what I hear he's a cool dude".

Nah, at worst he came out as opinionated and abrasive, but he seemed like a decent dude.

DEEP STATE PLOT
Aug 13, 2008

Yes...Ha ha ha...YES!



Ibram Gaunt posted:

that guy was hired for doing some fan animation of big band or something. i think he was a porn artist too but like...that also describes like all the artists at lab zero so i dont think thats weird on its own. (and like every artist in the industry period)

i thought that artist in addition to drawing skullgirls porn also drew gore porn or some poo poo as well, which would be a bit beyond what the other artists did. however i admittedly might be mixing up multiple different sketchy game artist stories since this is like ancient history at this point.

i guess either way none of this is even really material to the fact that mikez is a total shithead for entirely different reasons.

FanaticalMilk
Mar 11, 2011


ThisIsACoolGuy posted:

Was MikeZ always known to be awful? I know a handful of people like Maximillian and the SBF talking positively about him way back when so I always just kind of assumed he was a good dude even though I never really knew much about him- so feeling pretty angry with myself that I shot him a congrats message for the launch of Indivisible and told a few friends that "yeah from what I hear he's a cool dude".

Grand scheme it's not much and I've been walking that second one back but still.


Oh and another one leaves.

https://twitter.com/JebusMatoi/status/1297991666205417473

E: Oh I didn't realize this was a alt for Persona?? I think??

I wouldn't feel too terrible. Most of the especially bad and cringeworthy stuff has been in the past few months. I also just thought of Mike Z as the Skullgirls guy who's really passionate about rollback netcode and other technical aspects of developing fighting games.

The 7th Guest
Dec 17, 2003

DEEP STATE PLOT posted:

i thought that artist in addition to drawing skullgirls porn also drew gore porn or some poo poo as well, which would be a bit beyond what the other artists did. however i admittedly might be mixing up multiple different sketchy game artist stories since this is like ancient history at this point.
that's not that much different from, say, paul robertson

the main thing is can the artist separate business from pleasure, and generally speaking, adult artists do

Hogama
Sep 3, 2011

RottenK posted:

jesus mike z loving sucks

feel sad about Indivisible (and maybe Skullgirls) probably going down in flames, but that's a more than acceptable price for no longer enabling this dipshit
As far as Skullgirls goes, whatever your thoughts are on it, MikeZ/Lab Zero doesn't own the rights to it.
https://twitter.com/ClickAgain/status/1297634157401538560

RottenK
Feb 17, 2011

Sexy bad choices

FAILED NOJOE

Hogama posted:

As far as Skullgirls goes, whatever your thoughts are on it, MikeZ/Lab Zero doesn't own the rights to it.
https://twitter.com/ClickAgain/status/1297634157401538560

yeah i know, that's why SG was a maybe

ThisIsACoolGuy
Nov 2, 2010

Shaped like a friend

Do you think Yandere Dev is laughing maniacally at all this

PaletteSwappedNinja
Jun 3, 2008

One Nation, Under God.

ThisIsACoolGuy posted:

Was MikeZ always known to be awful? I know a handful of people like Maximillian and the SBF talking positively about him way back when so I always just kind of assumed he was a good dude even though I never really knew much about him

Those people were barely any more in the know than the average internet user and they're just as susceptible to silly personality bandwagoning as anyone else.

Hub Cat
Aug 3, 2011

Trunk Lover

Autumn games pulled development from Lab Zero
https://twitter.com/sgmobile/status/1298105337593991168?s=20

C.M. Kruger
Oct 28, 2013

Nice that they're apparently offering jobs to the people who quit the studio too.

jizzy sillage
Aug 13, 2006

ThisIsACoolGuy posted:

Do you think Yandere Dev is laughing maniacally at all this

YanDev is probably cut that all his heroes are being outed.

PaletteSwappedNinja
Jun 3, 2008

One Nation, Under God.
I've seen a ton of yandere av/named people in the comments of Mike-related posts for a while now and I never know whose side they're on or what they're talking about

DEEP STATE PLOT
Aug 13, 2008

Yes...Ha ha ha...YES!




lmao get hosed loser, hope petulantly going back on your word to leave was worth it

ThisIsACoolGuy
Nov 2, 2010

Shaped like a friend

PaletteSwappedNinja posted:

I've seen a ton of yandere av/named people in the comments of Mike-related posts for a while now and I never know whose side they're on or what they're talking about

Yandere Dev tried to throw a pity party for himself ages ago in a attempt to get Mike to praise him. Mike gave him feedback and told him that his game sucked but he needs to work on it. Yandev didn't like hearing that and threw a tantrum before regarding Mike as his enemy and never talking to him again (from what I understand)

Thats the bit.

Inspector Gesicht
Oct 26, 2012

500 Zeus a body.


ThisIsACoolGuy posted:

Yandere Dev tried to throw a pity party for himself ages ago in a attempt to get Mike to praise him. Mike gave him feedback and told him that his game sucked but he needs to work on it. Yandev didn't like hearing that and threw a tantrum before regarding Mike as his enemy and never talking to him again (from what I understand)

Thats the bit.

Since the sole developer has no real skill at anything but burning bridges it's safe to say that game will never release as intended. At this rate I'm sure a more competent team will beat them to the punch on the same premise. Sort of like how Elite Dangerous is fulfilling the promises that Star Citizen is failing to keep, like in-game bartenders.

ThisIsACoolGuy
Nov 2, 2010

Shaped like a friend

Inspector Gesicht posted:

Since the sole developer has no real skill at anything but burning bridges it's safe to say that game will never release as intended. At this rate I'm sure a more competent team will beat them to the punch on the same premise. Sort of like how Elite Dangerous is fulfilling the promises that Star Citizen is failing to keep, like in-game bartenders.

I think it was before yandev started working on yandere sim. It was some lovely 2D game he threw together in a afternoon and the chat log was just 'but I made it and it kinda works and thats impressive right? You should be praising me. I deserve praise for making this' which says a lot in itself.

Mokinokaro
Sep 11, 2001

At the end of everything, hold onto anything



Fun Shoe

Inspector Gesicht posted:

Since the sole developer has no real skill at anything but burning bridges it's safe to say that game will never release as intended. At this rate I'm sure a more competent team will beat them to the punch on the same premise. Sort of like how Elite Dangerous is fulfilling the promises that Star Citizen is failing to keep, like in-game bartenders.

Apparently some folks did try to make a better version of Yandere Sim (even removing the creepier ideas like taking panty shots) and YanDev literally threatened to kill himself if they didn't shut down the project. They cancelled the project.

He is a complete shithead in every possible way.

ThisIsACoolGuy
Nov 2, 2010

Shaped like a friend

Upswing, one of the devs took down their apology and got back to work

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy

Mokinokaro posted:

He is a complete yandere in every possible way.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

my favorite yanderedev detail is him paying hundreds of dollars for an insanely highres, detailed model of a toothbrush that was meant to be used in like, cg television commercials, and then just placing it in a random bathroom as a generic background object. the toothbrush was so detailed that it was literally crashing people's computers and he refused to remove it even when people literally made lower res toothbrushes for free thatd serve the purpose of being a background object way better, because 'why would i use something that looks worse?'

RatHat
Dec 31, 2007

A tiny behatted rat👒🐀!

Endorph posted:

my favorite yanderedev detail is him paying hundreds of dollars for an insanely highres, detailed model of a toothbrush that was meant to be used in like, cg television commercials, and then just placing it in a random bathroom as a generic background object. the toothbrush was so detailed that it was literally crashing people's computers and he refused to remove it even when people literally made lower res toothbrushes for free thatd serve the purpose of being a background object way better, because 'why would i use something that looks worse?'

Reminds me of Squirrel Girl in Marvel Heroes killing the framerate because each of her squirrels were insanely detailed and had like 100 bone joints each or something.

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy
ah, the flowerpot gambit

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Mokinokaro posted:

Apparently some folks did try to make a better version of Yandere Sim (even removing the creepier ideas like taking panty shots) and YanDev literally threatened to kill himself if they didn't shut down the project. They cancelled the project.

He is a complete shithead in every possible way.

i think they are still making it possibly but i am not sure. i remeber Yandere sim because it looked like a weird hosed up but fun experience and the demo had some fun moments but than i heard nothing about it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHn8sNiJwRY guess he ended up being a piece of poo poo.

Famethrowa
Oct 5, 2012

Endorph posted:

my favorite yanderedev detail is him paying hundreds of dollars for an insanely highres, detailed model of a toothbrush that was meant to be used in like, cg television commercials, and then just placing it in a random bathroom as a generic background object. the toothbrush was so detailed that it was literally crashing people's computers and he refused to remove it even when people literally made lower res toothbrushes for free thatd serve the purpose of being a background object way better, because 'why would i use something that looks worse?'

lol

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Endorph posted:

my favorite yanderedev detail is him paying hundreds of dollars for an insanely highres, detailed model of a toothbrush that was meant to be used in like, cg television commercials, and then just placing it in a random bathroom as a generic background object. the toothbrush was so detailed that it was literally crashing people's computers and he refused to remove it even when people literally made lower res toothbrushes for free thatd serve the purpose of being a background object way better, because 'why would i use something that looks worse?'

why the gently caress would you be this dumb. how is this guy that dumb. gently caress.

Spaced God
Feb 8, 2014

All torment, trouble, wonder and amazement
Inhabits here: some heavenly power guide us
Out of this fearful country!



Yansim also got banned in Kuwait before the game was even out which I guess is some type of accomplishment

Mokinokaro
Sep 11, 2001

At the end of everything, hold onto anything



Fun Shoe

Spaced God posted:

Yansim also got banned in Kuwait before the game was even out which I guess is some type of accomplishment

And banned off twitch which is amazing considering what twitch does allow sometimes.

Takoluka
Jun 26, 2009

Don't look at me!



Mokinokaro posted:

And banned off twitch which is amazing considering what twitch does allow sometimes.

My favorite ban on Twitch is that you can play Senran Kagura games, but you can't dick around in the dressing room because anime gamers cannot be trusted.

FanaticalMilk
Mar 11, 2011


Endorph posted:

my favorite yanderedev detail is him paying hundreds of dollars for an insanely highres, detailed model of a toothbrush that was meant to be used in like, cg television commercials, and then just placing it in a random bathroom as a generic background object. the toothbrush was so detailed that it was literally crashing people's computers and he refused to remove it even when people literally made lower res toothbrushes for free thatd serve the purpose of being a background object way better, because 'why would i use something that looks worse?'

Sounds like he'd fit right in at the Daikatana development team.

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Acerbatus
Jun 26, 2020

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
My favorite yansim thing is how every character is just an endless stream of if statements.

Dapper_Swindler posted:

yeah, i think i remeber that about fish. i remember a couple of more progressive critics have said some borderlin xenophobic poo poo about japan at times and not even about Abe or anything. gently caress i think even anita of femfreq did once.


yeah, doesnt surprise me.

For whatever reason it seems moderately common in progressive circles that it's woke to be racist about Japanese media. :iiam:

Kchama posted:

I can't think of any of those Japanese IPs outsourced to western devs that ended up getting a good game out of the deal.



dead rising 2 was insanely good.

END ME SCOOB posted:

So Lab Zero's loving dying. (Not undeservedly, if the dude won't go, but...)

https://twitter.com/kinucakes/status/1297985084604129280

I feel like this is a deathblow.

edit: yep that's a second major animator

https://twitter.com/personasama/status/1297982976156774400

That sucks. Hope they can move on to make something cool, skullgirls was fun.

DEEP STATE PLOT posted:

i thought that artist in addition to drawing skullgirls porn also drew gore porn or some poo poo as well, which would be a bit beyond what the other artists did. however i admittedly might be mixing up multiple different sketchy game artist stories since this is like ancient history at this point.

i guess either way none of this is even really material to the fact that mikez is a total shithead for entirely different reasons.


She's done a lot of weird porn but... So what? How is that even remotely comparable as far as being a shithead goes?

Acerbatus fucked around with this message at 03:00 on Aug 29, 2020

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