gh0stpinballa posted:

@helsin we could do with you back in here pal

gradenko_2000 posted:

The Donatists then attempted to establish their own belief that anyone who did this would no longer be considered Christian, and could no longer perform sacraments, and most notably, that any of the sacraments that they previously did, would no longer count - so as a priest yourself, you can't just renounce your faith at gun-swordpoint and then snap back if you happen to be let go afterwards, and as a follower, you can pressure your priests to please not do that, because if they baptized you and they renounce their faith, suddenly your baptism doesn't count anymore and that sucks for you.

K9 posted:

the milk machine posted:

could you link some of your favorite anti-vax literature? I’d like to avoid the mark of the beast as well

Perry Mason Jar posted:

Anti-vaxxers appeared in the demographics they did because it's an astro-turfed conspiracy theory designed to make you say exactly this type of stupid poo poo to people with real qualms about accepting any vaccine the government signs off on. You don't even bother to engage with my objections but just lump me in with a maligned group as though every vaccine were created equal. Idiocy.

the milk machine posted:

why do you think I asked you for links? if you don’t want to share that’s fine too

the milk machine posted:

why do you think I asked you for links? if you don’t want to share that’s fine too

Perry Mason Jar posted:

What possible links could I provide? Read what I said, does it make sense? The only links I can provide are things which say exactly that we do not at all understand immunity as it relates to SARS-CoV-2 - how you square that fact with the very possibility of an efficacious vaccine is on you, not me.

the milk machine posted:

I thought you had information to share instead of just paranoia, my mistake

the milk machine posted:

you’re right research is ongoing for covid.

the milk machine posted:

no, it doesn’t make sense. doctors have a pretty good idea in general about how immunity and vaccines work, though you’re right research is ongoing for covid.

I thought you had information to share instead of just paranoia, my mistake

500excf type r posted:

And how many people died from the SARS vaccine?? lol paranoia gently caress off

nut posted:

i'm not an anti-vaxxer but i agree with the thread sentiment that a rushed and comparatively untested vaccine is irresponsible and a cash grab at the potential expense of human lives similar to, in my opinion, the re-purposing of remdesivir for covid. I remember hearing horror stories about gardasil but I had never seen any kind of frequency data that was convincing and at least the one time I looked it up it, serious consequences seemed incredibly rare.

the milk machine posted:

no, it doesn’t make sense. doctors have a pretty good idea in general about how immunity and vaccines work, though you’re right research is ongoing for covid.

I thought you had information to share instead of just paranoia, my mistake

quote:

It is less clear what those antibody tests mean for real life, however, because immunity functions on a continuum. With some pathogens, such as the varicella-zoster virus (which causes chicken pox), infection confers near-universal, long-lasting resistance. Natural infection with Clostridium tetani, the bacterium that causes tetanus, on the other hand, offers no protection—and even people getting vaccinated for it require regular booster shots. On the extreme end of this spectrum, individuals infected with HIV often have large amounts of antibodies that do nothing to prevent or clear the disease.

At this early stage of understanding the new coronavirus, it is unclear where COVID-19 falls on the immunity spectrum. Although most people with SARS-CoV-2 seem to produce antibodies, “we simply don’t know yet what it takes to be effectively protected from this infection,” says Dawn Bowdish, a professor of pathology and molecular medicine and Canada Research Chair in Aging and Immunity at McMaster University in Ontario. Researchers are scrambling to answer two questions: How long do SARS-CoV-2 antibodies stick around? And do they protect against reinfection?

quote:

There are still many unknowns when it comes to coronavirus immunity. At this time, there is currently no way to know if novel coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2) induces immunity and how long any immunity could last.

Other types of coronaviruses, such as MERS, do induce immunity, often for several years. Many hope that SARS-CoV-2 will behave similarly.

Unfortunately, the data is not cut-and-dry. Most studies of immunity to coronaviruses, including SARS-CoV-2, focus on people who had severe disease and were hospitalized for their condition. There is significantly less data on the immune response in people who had mild symptoms or were asymptomatic.

On the other hand, scientists have not been able to confirm any cases of reinfection after novel coronavirus recovery. Some anecdotal evidence has emerged in multiple countries. However, it's possible that these patients falsely tested negative for the virus after their symptoms subsided and continued to harbor the virus.

All of these unknowns are why the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the World Health Organization currently state that there is no evidence to suggest novel coronavirus infection imparts immunity. More research needs to done.

the milk machine posted:

I literally don’t know and would be happy to see info on that, hence the question in the first place

Perry Mason Jar posted:

Cervical cancer (CxCa) rates have increased among 20-24 yr old women despite (possibly, due to) widespread HPV vaccination (UK).


Doctors have a "pretty good idea in general" about how immunity and vaccines work, but not how immunity works for SARS-CoV-2.


https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-immunity-to-covid-19-really-means/


https://www.umms.org/coronavirus/what-to-know/diagnosis-symptoms/immunity

the milk machine posted:

could you link some of your favorite anti-vax literature? I’d like to avoid the mark of the beast as well

Lightning Knight posted:

is this thread really going to turn into anti vaxxer poo poo

Perry Mason Jar posted:

Cervical cancer (CxCa) rates have increased among 20-24 yr old women despite (possibly, due to) widespread HPV vaccination (UK).

cuppy tea posted:

There's no way that pedos and occultists could rule the planet. Pedos have coke bottle glasses and wear anoraks and have weird hair and you throw bricks at their houses. Occultists are goths that prick themselves with needles and listen to throbbing gristle.

There's only one explanation, that aliens put them in power. Think about it, we have our secret space program that nobody knows about, but we have a civilian SETI that can pick up signals like the Wow! one. There's only one solution: Find the constellation they're from to beam at and snitch on THEIR elites to their masses. Send out Q drops in binary.

Lightning Knight posted:

is this thread really going to turn into anti vaxxer poo poo

nut posted:

In the discussion they state

"If there was not a public demand to understand the recent increase in CxCa rates in women aged 20–24, we would have waited a further three years to allow all cohorts of women in this study the opportunity to reach age 30 by 2015 and hence be able to estimate cumulative incidence to age 30. However with the available data we have been able to show that the increase in incidence at age 20–24 is a direct result of inviting women for their first screening test at age 24.5 instead of at age 25 and not an epidemic stemming from lack of prevention."

which might suggest the rise in cancer is associated with suddenly a lot more people being added to the 20-24 year old group vs the 25+

Perry Mason Jar posted:

Each person has an individual responsibility to read and decide for themselves whether they want to accept any given vaccine or give it to their children rather than mindlessly accept rubber stamps.

jojoinnit posted:

Cuppy, do you believe the Eichmann experiments were real or is that part of the "soap and lampshades"?

Lostconfused posted:

Look if you want to offload every decision to the individual person you might as well argue that they should all realize that the dictatorship of the proletariat is the only path forward. After which they can create proper institutions that would handle public health care.

quote:

Second, substantial drops in morbidity and mortality following the introduction of vaccines has paradoxically made adverse events more visible, exaggerating perceived vaccine risks, and contributing to weakened adherence to immunization programs.[10] Antivaxxer movements have mainly sprouted in developed countries, but as a result of globalization, they are spreading into low- and middle-income countries as well.

Lostconfused posted:

Ahahaha, that's so awesome. Dumb poo poo first world countries that can absorb the burden are poisoning the rest of the world with their brainworms. World revolution, nothing less.

Delta-Wye posted:

Naomi Campbell? What is this completely unrelated drivel??