|
The comparison that still blows my mind is that Ford was born in 1969 and Trudeau was born in 1971. They're close enough in age that they would have been in High School at the same time.
|
#
?
Aug 24, 2020 23:54
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 27, 2024 09:24 |
|
|
Virtual Russian posted:Canada towing the US line is definitely a much more recent phenomena. We had good relations with Cuba throughout the blockade. You have to hand it to Chretien for not invading Iraq... Also there was the entire peacekeeping era, which while fraught with problems, still probably represents a high-point in Canadian foreign relations. I really don't think it can be emphasized enough that while things have always been bad that doesn't mean they cannot continuously get worse!
|
|
#
?
Aug 24, 2020 23:54
|
|
|
Virtual Russian posted:Canada towing the US line is definitely a much more recent phenomena. We had good relations with Cuba throughout the blockade. You have to hand it to Chretien for not invading Iraq... Also there was the entire peacekeeping era, which while fraught with problems, still probably represents a high-point in Canadian foreign relations. LBJ once came thiiiis close to bodyslamming Pearson because Pearson had the audacity to give a speech saying the Vietnam War was bad.
|
|
#
?
Aug 24, 2020 23:58
|
|
|
vyelkin posted:LBJ once came thiiiis close to bodyslamming Pearson because Pearson had the audacity to give a speech saying the Vietnam War was bad. Pearson generally seemed like a pretty cool guy. I cannot help but feel he must have also been doing or encouraging horrific treatment of indigenous peoples though, as all our leaders seem to share that one quality.
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2020 00:04
|
|
|
Helsing posted:I really don't think it can be emphasized enough that while things have always been bad that doesn't mean they cannot continuously get worse! so many quotable quotes lately
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2020 01:12
|
|
|
*prepares O'Toole memes from that Simpsons episode*
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2020 01:44
|
|
|
vyelkin posted:LBJ once came thiiiis close to bodyslamming Pearson because Pearson had the audacity to give a speech saying the Vietnam War was bad. It's probably not a coincidence that most of Canada's valued social democratic institutions were instituted more or less after the influence of the British collapsed after WWII but before Canada was fully within the American orbit. Hand Knit has issued a correction as of 03:23 on Aug 25, 2020 |
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2020 02:23
|
|
|
That is pretty interesting to consider. I've always wondered how PET managed to not piss off the US by being super chummy with Castro and maintaining full diplomatic relations with Cuba.
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2020 02:40
|
|
|
I suspect we were closer to war with the States during PETs time than anyone will ever admit too.
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2020 02:45
|
|
|
I think the sheer audacity of PET's unwavering ability to give exactly zero fucks kept the peace intact.
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2020 02:46
|
|
|
Vaccine? More like MIND CONTROL DRUGS! But seriously, if 70% say no, what does this say about potential antivax growth going forward?
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2020 11:47
|
|
|
bvj191jgl7bBsqF5m posted:*prepares O'Toole memes from that Simpsons episode* what a toole
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2020 11:54
|
|
|
People should be rightfully skeptical of fast-tracked vaccines like what Russia produced and like what I am guessing Trump is going to announce a week before their election. Making actually unsafe vaccines would have the expected effect upon the anti-vaccine movement.
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2020 11:56
|
|
|
Sassafras posted:Vaccine? More like MIND CONTROL DRUGS! i don't think its fair to put people that are skeptical of a fast tracked untested russian vaccine with normal anti-vaxers. there are a lot of perverse incentives with a covid vaccine that i just don't trust, like the fact that the economy is tanking and billionaires want to maintain their wealth. the rich ghouls that run our society are more than willing to sacrifice a few peasants to a dodgy vaccine if it means we can "go back to normal" without their stock portfolio being harmed. i'm not touching any vaccine until i see results a year down the line from the general population
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2020 11:59
|
|
|
My province is only like, 30% busted, so I can afford to wait three weeks to see if the people back east turn into mutant radioactive polonium monsters or whatever from a fast tracked Moscovian vaccine.
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2020 12:02
|
|
|
Agreed. The anti vax movement is generally dumb af but its well within reason to expect the capitalist class to sell us all snake oil if that means we all send our kids back to school and get back to work in September.
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2020 13:34
|
|
|
best part is all the bending of the rules to fast track this vaccine will become permanent as all things do that allow capital to make more money.
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2020 13:40
|
|
|
Sassafras posted:Vaccine? More like MIND CONTROL DRUGS! I'm about as pro-vaccine as you can get and I wouldn't touch the Russian vaccine with a ten-foot pole. They skipped phase 3 trials entirely, which means we have no idea whether it works and we have no idea whether it has major side effects. Giving that vaccine to large numbers of people is an enormous risk and if it turns out there's a problem with it that wasn't caught during the horrifically fast-tracked testing it would be a generational setback for vaccine uptake worldwide imo.
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2020 14:07
|
|
|
Yeah seriously. I will take an evidence-backed vaccine all day, every day, but that poll is tantamount to asking whether I would take a vaccine purchased from Wish.com
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2020 14:10
|
|
|
I like my vaccines like I like my women: not killing me
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2020 14:15
|
|
|
Imagine the disruption to the global economy if both Russia and the USA inoculated their populations with a vaccine that just straight up killed em. It'd be the biggest own goal in modern history.
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2020 14:16
|
|
|
EvilJoven posted:Imagine the disruption to the global economy if both Russia and the USA inoculated their populations with a vaccine that just straight up killed em. It'd be the biggest own goal in modern history. it would be a mad dash as everyone tries to run and grab the nukes first. like an international wacky races
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2020 14:20
|
|
|
Sassafras posted:Vaccine? More like MIND CONTROL DRUGS! would you personally take a vaccine that bypassed the entire testing and approvals process?
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2020 14:30
|
|
|
vyelkin posted:LBJ once came thiiiis close to bodyslamming Pearson because Pearson had the audacity to give a speech saying the Vietnam War was bad. you can't post that without posting what he actually said "LBJ grabbed Pearson by the shirt collar, lifted the prime minister off the floor and shouted, "You pissed on my rug!" "
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2020 15:49
|
|
|
infernal machines posted:would you personally take a vaccine that bypassed the entire testing and approvals process? I think I'd treat it like I do flu shots. I'll get them when free and convenient enough but really don't care if I miss them either since they're probably not actually stopping me from getting the flu (between wrong strains and straight-up "not coming into contact"). Of course, Covid statistically poses even less of a threat to me... Russian vaccine isn't skipping the entire process, and vaccine development is, I think, relatively standardized these days. As such, how much riskier than any other inactivated virus vaccine could it possibly be? It's not going to use plutonium as an adjuvant, and by the time it's actually available to you or me, the surprising side effect where everybody who took the vaccine dies a horrible North Korean assassination-style death when they touch some particular chemical found in a small subset of cosmetics/perfumes might even be properly correlated. The italicized is why I wonder if such widespread skepticism can't help but rub off elsewhere. Maybe there's a good way to monitor flu shot uptake by year that I can bookmark for a few years later? This year in particular might be interesting, high or low. I'd think high because the consequence of symptoms is potentially hours in line for tests or else a couple weeks of isolation from work/school but maybe the work from home legion will go without their usual workplace shots and, like me, not bother seeking it out.
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2020 15:59
|
|
|
fair enough, but the question in the survey is "based on what you currently have heard", not "based on the outcome of the Russian public being used as guinea pigs for an untiraled vaccine", which is a bit different infernal machines has issued a correction as of 16:32 on Aug 25, 2020 |
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2020 16:03
|
|
|
Sassafras posted:I think I'd treat it like I do flu shots. I'll get them when free and convenient enough but really don't care if I miss them either since they're probably not actually stopping me from getting the flu (between wrong strains and straight-up "not coming into contact"). This is what everyone thinks until they get a bad flu. Even if the shot doesn't block a specific strain it can keep your flu from getting to the 'bad' stage
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2020 16:04
|
|
|
I like my vaccines like I like my women: as many as possible at the same time just inject me with all these poo poo-rear end vaccines, one of them will work
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2020 16:15
|
|
|
Another Bill posted:This is what everyone thinks until they get a bad flu. Even if the shot doesn't block a specific strain it can keep your flu from getting to the 'bad' stage I've never heard this. Do you have a source?
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2020 16:22
|
|
|
blatman posted:I like my vaccines like I like my women: as many as possible at the same time That's more or less how immigration to many countries works - either you have proof of vaccination for everything from a few decades ago or you get all the shots at once.
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2020 16:25
|
|
|
The purpose of the flu vaccine is so you don't gently caress up someone who isn't as lucky as you. Christ. Not, "I got sick anyways - FAKE NEWS"
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2020 16:27
|
|
|
Flater posted:I've never heard this. Do you have a source? https://www.cdc.gov/flu/spotlights/2017-2018/vaccine-reduces-risk-severe-illness.htm quote:August 1, 2018 — A new CDC-supported study published in VaccineExternal conducted over multiple flu seasons shows that getting a flu shot lessened the risk of severe influenza (flu) among adults, including reducing the risk of hospitalization and admission to the intensive care unit (ICU), and also lessened the severity of illness.
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2020 16:28
|
|
|
Vintersorg posted:The purpose of the flu vaccine is so you don't gently caress up someone who isn't as lucky as you. Christ. Not, "I got sick anyways - FAKE NEWS" You don't get what the word indifferent means, do you?
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2020 16:29
|
|
|
enki42 posted:On the subject of next election candidates, is there anything horrible about Freeland except for "Nazi grandpa" and the general horribleness that's associated with Liberals in general? funneling money, equipment and training to ukrainian nazis
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2020 16:41
|
|
|
Virtual Russian posted:Canada towing the US line is definitely a much more recent phenomena. We had good relations with Cuba throughout the blockade. You have to hand it to Chretien for not invading Iraq... Also there was the entire peacekeeping era, which while fraught with problems, still probably represents a high-point in Canadian foreign relations. Iraq was huge, and pissed the americans off big time. France did the same and now both Canada and France are led by/infested with regime change supporting liberals with close ties to the american military intelligence complex. Very odd.
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2020 16:44
|
|
|
Another Bill posted:https://www.cdc.gov/flu/spotlights/2017-2018/vaccine-reduces-risk-severe-illness.htm Thank you. I apologize but I don't see discussion about the strains in your link. That is the part I was curious about, vaccines for specific strains having general beneficial effects vs all strains which is what I interpreted "Even if the shot doesn't block a specific strain it can keep your flu from getting to the 'bad' stage" to mean. Edit: thinking now I misunderstood what you were saying Flater has issued a correction as of 17:05 on Aug 25, 2020 |
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2020 16:55
|
|
|
vyelkin posted:I'm about as pro-vaccine as you can get and I wouldn't touch the Russian vaccine with a ten-foot pole. They skipped phase 3 trials entirely, which means we have no idea whether it works and we have no idea whether it has major side effects. Giving that vaccine to large numbers of people is an enormous risk and if it turns out there's a problem with it that wasn't caught during the horrifically fast-tracked testing it would be a generational setback for vaccine uptake worldwide imo. I'm pretty sure I read that it didn't get past phase 2, they just got phase 1 approvals and open palm slammed that fucker into public trials. Which is effectively what China has been doing to military 'volunteers' according to various sources. I do know that various pharma here in NA have.. about half a dozen prospective vaccines in either phase 1 or phase 2, but nothing is getting past phase 2 at the moment. In order to keep up I bet they're all going to apply to skip phase 3 against the human guinea pig experiments that Russia and China are trialing.
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2020 17:14
|
|
|
enki42 posted:Everyone outside of this site seems to be lining up to praise her as the greatest politician of our generation, and the forums are obsessed with the nazi grandpa thing, 
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2020 17:35
|
|
|
"obsessed with the nazi grandpa thing" oh, and i guess the "providing material support to neo nazis and fascists thing" we're really far too unreasonable about these niggling little details
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2020 18:06
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 27, 2024 09:24 |
|
|
Pinterest Mom posted:you can't post that without posting what he actually said That is probably the least lewd/crude LBJ quote I've ever heard.
|
|
#
?
Aug 25, 2020 19:23
|
|