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Kaiser Mazoku posted:You know Indiana Jones wasn't the only thing to do it right I don’t know that. It’s the only thing I can reasonably think of. Hell I think it’s more a trope now than it eve was in the 80s
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hard counter posted:in tim's eyes it was always a genuine home improvement show where he could impress audiences at home with his practical know-how, but, because of his primal urge to overclock everything and constant screw-ups, it came off as a dyi goofus and gallant to in-universe audiences and they loved it under those terms That is the best explanation I’ve ever heard, so thank you for that. Now do Family Matters
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CharlestheHammer posted:I don’t know that. It’s the only thing I can reasonably think of. At the very least no one argued against killing Nazis back then. (see: the latest Wolfenstein game released a year or two ago)
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Ugly In The Morning posted:I think Murphy Brown fell off harder, or at least had further to fall to the same level of “completely forgotten”. I just looked up Murphy Brown to remind myself on when it aired, and what the gently caress? It had a 2018 revival? I can't imagine that it was any good at all.
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Krispy Wafer posted:For a couple of years there, TV networks were grabbing every decent stand-up comic they could to adapt to a TV show. I guess it was an over-reaction to Rosanne and Cosby's success. Even Jeff Foxworthy had a show. Not only that, but it had both Jonathan Lipnicki AND Haley Joel Osment before either of them were really "main stream" famous for Jerry McGuire and The Sixth Sense, respectively. Edit: Well maybe Lipnicki was around the same time I guess, not before Jerry McGuire? Maybe slightly after? hard to know what with TV and movie shooting and release schedules. DrBouvenstein has a new favorite as of 17:46 on Aug 25, 2020 |
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There's probably a decent academic paper that could be written on popular cultural portrayal of Nazis over the last 40 years. Somehow they went from the dumbasses in Hogan's Heroes and the Indiana Nazis in Blues Brothers to something people actually aspire to. I blame the internet.
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Kaiser Mazoku posted:Pretty much this. I've heard of conventions banning people from cosplaying as Stroheim or Red Skull or other Nazi characters and I can't say I blame them. Doesn't help you had Hetalia getting weebs to dress up in nazi uniforms and march around for increasingly flimsy justifications of tee-hee homoeroticism Krispy Wafer posted:There's probably a decent academic paper that could be written on popular cultural portrayal of Nazis over the last 40 years. The dark secret is that they never actually went away.
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Vandar posted:I just looked up Murphy Brown to remind myself on when it aired, and what the gently caress? It had a 2018 revival? They tried their best to readjust it to the current media landscape and it didn't work. They even added a bizarre meta joke about Murphy having once gone on a single date with Trump decades ago, which is something Candice Bergen did in real life. AceOfFlames has a new favorite as of 18:02 on Aug 25, 2020 |
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Yeah, my parents loved the 2018 Murphy Brown, and forced me to watch it when I visited for christmas. Christ did it suck, I can't help but think that the revival trend is just because Boomers are getting scared of new things on TV.
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Krispy Wafer posted:For a couple of years there, TV networks were grabbing every decent stand-up comic they could to adapt to a TV show. I guess it was an over-reaction to Rosanne and Cosby's success. seinfeld was obviously the s tier of all of them but i liked drew carey and martin. home improvement is middling but the rest were bad. Although maybe drew and martin didnt age well i havent rewatched lately but i do remember both doing drag but i do remember them not really being done in a negative way but i was a kid when i watched them in the 90s.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Doesn't help you had Hetalia getting weebs to dress up in nazi uniforms and march around for increasingly flimsy justifications of tee-hee homoeroticism Don't remind me of the Hetalia fandom.
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I looked it up, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revival_(television), I'm not sure I'd count everything on that list, but YMMV The current run of revivals seems to have been mostly a 2016-2018 thing which is probably why it was noticable. They've been around for a while though, but it seems like it was just one show every few years getting a rebooted season. For whatever reason during the '16-'18 years the TV gods decreed that it was a good idea to restart several formerly high-profile programs, and they pretty much followed the pattern of previous decades' attempts, burning out after one or two seasons. The 2019/2020 trend seems to be focused on rebooting 90's/00's programs aimed at children.
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Krispy Wafer posted:There's probably a decent academic paper that could be written on popular cultural portrayal of Nazis over the last 40 years. I’ve always loved the Colonel Klink was played by a Jewish actor who took the whole specifically to portray Nazis as buffoons. There was a show on Amazon this year called Hunters that was about a group of vigilantes hunting escaped Nazis in 1970s New York. I didn’t care much for the show for a few reasons, but my biggest issue with it was the portrayal of the Nazi characters. Almost to a man, they were portrayed as these badass, almost super-human killing machines. I get that you need to make the villains scary and dangerous to create tension, but this show just seemed to take it overboard. The first scene in the series has this Nazi who has been living undercover as an American for 30 years being recognized, so he whips out a pistol and guns down about a dozen people at a party without missing a single shot. And be turns out to be one of the less scary bad guys in the show. The Nazis were evil, they weren’t loving terminators. (And yes, I know the show was intended to be pulpy and not realistic- I’m still not a fan of making Nazis just seem so competent) letthereberock has a new favorite as of 18:34 on Aug 25, 2020 |
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Iron Crowned posted:I looked it up, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revival_(television), I'm not sure I'd count everything on that list, but YMMV It’s interesting because the trend started in the late 2000’s/early 2010’s with well-received comedies from the early 2000’s, that were cancelled fairly early on, by Fox, and had a significant audience desire for a revival. Arrested Development, Futurama, and Family Guy. And even with people wanting them the only one that was really successful in any major way was Family Guy. The 16-18 ones have been trying to tap into nostalgia for some show that ran for a number of seasons and finished more or less on their own terms, and that no one was asking for. It’s the weirdest thing, when even the stuff people wanted back didn’t go great, why would you bring back even older shows no one has cared about in 20 years?
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Ugly In The Morning posted:It’s interesting because the trend started in the late 2000’s/early 2010’s with well-received comedies from the early 2000’s, that were cancelled fairly early on, by Fox, and had a significant audience desire for a revival. Arrested Development, Futurama, and Family Guy. And even with people wanting them the only one that was really successful in any major way was Family Guy. suits have literally no idea what people like or why and just throw familiar names on things
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The Rosanne reboot was pretty popular. I think the Connors is still doing alright, but they also figured out Dan is a much better main character than Rosanne.
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There’s an awkward Scrubs episode where half of the cast is pro Iraq war and the other half is anti-war, and the pro war side has aged super terribly, and there’s a ton of islamophobic jokes to add onto it.
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DrBouvenstein posted:Even Jeff Foxworthy had a show. And Bill "Here's Yer Sign" Engvall had a show, with future Oscar winner Jennifer Lawrence playing one of his kids. As you do.
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letthereberock posted:I just remember all the mileage they got out of Dan Quayle picking a fight with them. Like, how would you even explain Dan Quayle to someone growing up in the age of Trump? He didn't actually even spell potato wrong, he was doing a puff spelling bee and the answer card had potato spelled wrong.
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George Carlin had a loving sitcom for a year or two in the mid-90s.
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Hell, there was a freaking Pinky and the Brain episode where Brain became a stand up comedian to get his own sitcom so he could use mind control teeth or whatever to takeover the world. Granted, both P&B and Animaniacs had super inside Hollywood baseball jokes but still.
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I didn't get half the jokes on Pinky and the Brain and Animaniacs yet they were two of my favorite cartoons back then.
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muscles like this! posted:He didn't actually even spell potato wrong, he was doing a puff spelling bee and the answer card had potato spelled wrong. and for this sin he's immortalized as the lowest ranking score you can get in civilization if you lose real bad
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The Civilization developers have better update that poo poo as soon as somebody can't ban Firaxis as a national security threat.
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muscles like this! posted:He didn't actually even spell potato wrong, he was doing a puff spelling bee and the answer card had potato spelled wrong. Dude was kind of a dumb goof in general, though. Man, I miss the days when we could actually be upset at the Republicans for running a dumb goof for VP.
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Kaiser Mazoku posted:I didn't get half the jokes on Pinky and the Brain and Animaniacs yet they were two of my favorite cartoons back then. My favorite obscure P&B line was during the Frozen Peas parody (which was already obscure in and of itself) where Brain kicks everyone in the studio out and one woman goes "I can't believe that guy! I Taft-Hartley'd him on his first job!" I can't imagine anyone who didn't work in the film industry to have gotten that at the time the show originally aired. I only got it after recalling the name for some reason and googling. Krispy Wafer posted:The Civilization developers have better update that poo poo as soon as somebody can't ban Firaxis as a national security threat. 
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Kaiser Mazoku posted:I didn't get half the jokes on Pinky and the Brain and Animaniacs yet they were two of my favorite cartoons back then. Obligatory: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lY2kC5fZG64
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muscles like this! posted:He didn't actually even spell potato wrong, he was doing a puff spelling bee and the answer card had potato spelled wrong. He was watching the kid write potato on the board, which the kid did correctly. Then Dan basically forces him to add an E on the end and then congratulates him. So even if it was written down wrong for him (he did have a card in his hand, but should he need that for a third grade spelling?), he didn't recognize right spelling of potato.
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pot, a toe, a female toe
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MrUnderbridge posted:He was watching the kid write potato on the board, which the kid did correctly. Then Dan basically forces him to add an E on the end and then congratulates him. So even if it was written down wrong for him (he did have a card in his hand, but should he need that for a third grade spelling?), he didn't recognize right spelling of potato. He's said he thought the card was wrong but he decided to trust the people who set it up. Groke posted:Dude was kind of a dumb goof in general, though. Yeah, he was definitely a doof what with all the other dumb stuff he said.
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sweeperbravo posted:pot, a toe, a female toe veep, a name, he calls himself
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sweeperbravo posted:pot, a toe, a female toe Potatoe Woman Man Camera TV
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I knew that the drill sergeant from Full Metal Jacket was a memorable character, but the actor got multiple tv shows out of it where he seems to reprise his role from that movie, and apparently people love the character. Seems weird for a film partly about how war breaks down young men in a wholly unhealthy way, and a character whose abuse most directly led to a boy's mental episode and murder-suicide.
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Kevin DuBrow posted:I knew that the drill sergeant from Full Metal Jacket was a memorable character, but the actor got multiple tv shows out of it where he seems to reprise his role from that movie, and apparently people love the character. Seems weird for a film partly about how war breaks down young men in a wholly unhealthy way, and a character whose abuse most directly led to a boy's mental episode and murder-suicide. To be fair, he also got Mail Bag out of it and he was really nice on that.
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R. Lee Ermey because the de facto popular culture image of a drill sergeant or NCO type in American media. He voiced the leader of the toy soldiers in the first three Toy Story movies and showed up in tons of other stuff, for example. All the colorful/profane yelling parts of the first half of Full Metal Jacket are obviously the most well remembered parts of that movie, even if it wasn’t supposed to be stuff to be idolized or exactly good given what happened to Pvt. Pyle...
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MrUnderbridge posted:He was watching the kid write potato on the board, which the kid did correctly. Then Dan basically forces him to add an E on the end and then congratulates him. So even if it was written down wrong for him (he did have a card in his hand, but should he need that for a third grade spelling?), he didn't recognize right spelling of potato. Again, we are arguing over whether or not the guy knew the correct spelling of potato, while the current president says in front of the world that he is loving with the post office to increase his re-election chances. Just think about that and tell me you don’t want to walk into the ocean.
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wa27 posted:It always seemed like an entertainment show with home improvement topics. Kind of like cooking shows like Rachel Ray or something where they crack jokes to the audience while actually teaching a bit of cooking. And Tim was supposed to be the jokester while Al was the straight man. BUT I don't think and of the physical comedy was supposed to be intentional or an act. Mythbusters, but Al was Jamie and Tim was Adam Savage.
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Kevin DuBrow posted:I knew that the drill sergeant from Full Metal Jacket was a memorable character, but the actor got multiple tv shows out of it where he seems to reprise his role from that movie, and apparently people love the character. Seems weird for a film partly about how war breaks down young men in a wholly unhealthy way, and a character whose abuse most directly led to a boy's mental episode and murder-suicide. Story goes, R. Lee Ermey is a very rare case of Kubrick allowing someone to ad-lib- he was originally just brought in as a consultant on how to play a Vietnam-era drill instructor, since he was the real thing. After a meeting that turned into an improv session that left both men hoarse, Kubrick decided to just have Ermey play the role. Ermey also had to pause in a scene to gently explain to Kubrick what a 'reach-around' was.
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Krispy Wafer posted:There's probably a decent academic paper that could be written on popular cultural portrayal of Nazis over the last 40 years. Don’t forget about Illinois Jones.
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Megillah Gorilla posted:Mythbusters, but Al was Jamie and Tim was Adam Savage. Savage is extremely competent though?
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