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Ferrinus posted:so which other genocides are principally being publicized by guantanamo torturers, evangelical apocalypse cultists, and the state department (but i repeat myself) idk, how far is the goalpost?
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Aug 26, 2020 17:23
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Kill All Cops posted:idk, how far is the goalpost? can't think of any, huh
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Aug 26, 2020 17:25
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The Thin Red Line
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Aug 26, 2020 17:28
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Ferrinus posted:can't think of any, huh "owned!" i say as i dogpile on a thread expecting the one interventionalist lib posting at 12.30am beijing time to google up an instant rebuttal
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Aug 26, 2020 17:29
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Kill All Cops posted:"owned!" i say as i dogpile on a thread expecting the one interventionalist lib posting at 12.30am beijing time to google up an instant rebuttal sorry the state department, once again, isn’t coming to your rescue. it must be v frustrating
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Aug 26, 2020 17:33
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uninterrupted posted:so you think tibetans should have stayed serfs and not overthrown their government with the help of china, on the offchance their feudal lords decided that owning people was no longer rad, thanks for clearing that up. Cool strawman bro. Meanwhile let's all laugh at this worthless thinkpiece: https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2020/08/24/to-defeat-china-in-war-strangle-its-economy/#33f4243531a9
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Aug 26, 2020 17:35
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Kill All Cops posted:whataboutism lol
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Aug 26, 2020 17:36
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You know you're winning when all your posting opponents can do is quote your posts and type lol.
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Aug 26, 2020 17:41
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Whenever this thread starts talking about Chinese cops it's like I'm in bizarro world and the posters sound like libs talking about russiagate
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Aug 26, 2020 17:47
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Kill All Cops posted:"owned!" i say as i dogpile on a thread expecting the one interventionalist lib posting at 12.30am beijing time to google up an instant rebuttal take all the time you need!
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Aug 26, 2020 17:48
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I just read some of the D&D China thread after a few years and holy poo poo how has it gotten even worse than it was before?
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Aug 26, 2020 17:53
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so this thread ISN'T the worst China thread on the forums? hell yeah awesome
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Aug 26, 2020 17:54
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Would you guys shut up about Hong Kong? Look, actual news! China fired 2 missiles including a DF21D into SCS 1 day after US spy plane fought over Chinese naval exercise no-fly zone.
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Aug 26, 2020 17:55
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stephenthinkpad posted:Would you guys shut up about Hong Kong? Look, actual news! didn’t America run articles about how it could sink the entire Chinese navy in 72 hours a few days ago
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Aug 26, 2020 17:59
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gradenko_2000 posted:so this thread ISN'T the worst China thread on the forums?
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Aug 26, 2020 17:59
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More often, and even more dangerously, anarchism’s desire to tear down social structures has resulted in anarchists supporting U.S. imperialist narratives against states that anarchists dislike. The 1999 NATO war against Yugoslavian social democracy gained support from anarchists because it was seen as a blow to Stalinist communism. In 2014, when the Western imperialists persuaded one of the co-presidents of the YGP that he would become head of a new state if he were to re-create Kurdistan in Syria, many anarchists cheered on this underhanded project to form anarchist NATO brigades. As the National Endowment for Democracy has incited fascistic and often violent protests in Hong Kong with the purpose of recolonizing the island, anarchists around the world have praised these CIA destabilization efforts as a righteous blow to Chinese “authoritarianism.”
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Aug 26, 2020 18:03
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"actually the communists are bad" is certainly a take on rojavaGrapplejack posted:Whenever this thread starts talking about Chinese cops it's like I'm in bizarro world and the posters sound like libs talking about russiagate the previous thread i was reading was the Cool Zone and man that's some whiplash
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Aug 26, 2020 18:10
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huhwhat posted:More often, and even more dangerously, anarchism’s desire to tear down social structures has resulted in anarchists supporting U.S. imperialist narratives against states that anarchists dislike. The 1999 NATO war against Yugoslavian social democracy gained support from anarchists because it was seen as a blow to Stalinist communism. In 2014, when the Western imperialists persuaded one of the co-presidents of the YGP that he would become head of a new state if he were to re-create Kurdistan in Syria, many anarchists cheered on this underhanded project to form anarchist NATO brigades. As the National Endowment for Democracy has incited fascistic and often violent protests in Hong Kong with the purpose of recolonizing the island, anarchists around the world have praised these CIA destabilization efforts as a righteous blow to Chinese “authoritarianism.” Wait when did the NED encourage violence? It's a tactic that only seems to have benefitted the CCP in justifying further crackdowns and disenfranchising the HK public.
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Aug 26, 2020 18:13
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huhwhat posted:More often, and even more dangerously, anarchism’s desire to tear down social structures has resulted in anarchists supporting U.S. imperialist narratives against states that anarchists dislike. The 1999 NATO war against Yugoslavian social democracy gained support from anarchists because it was seen as a blow to Stalinist communism. In 2014, when the Western imperialists persuaded one of the co-presidents of the YGP that he would become head of a new state if he were to re-create Kurdistan in Syria, many anarchists cheered on this underhanded project to form anarchist NATO brigades. As the National Endowment for Democracy has incited fascistic and often violent protests in Hong Kong with the purpose of recolonizing the island, anarchists around the world have praised these CIA destabilization efforts as a righteous blow to Chinese “authoritarianism.” Last I checked anarchists in the USA were busy burning down police stations and jails, so forgive me if I don't think they're shouting for US interventionism anytime soon. It's perfectly possible to consider a situation bad without supporting sending in US warships.
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Aug 26, 2020 18:14
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je1 healthcare posted:Wait when did the NED encourage violence? It's a tactic that only seems to have benefitted the CCP in justifying further crackdowns and disenfranchising the HK public. ned encourages violence and destabilization in hk the same way hk protesters are being retroactively arrested for "rioting", because if you stand with hong kong you are actually standing with violence on street cleaners being pelted to death with bricks and setting old people on fire, recolonizing hk by the brits or whatever the gently caress strawman is being used to make them the boogieman and not the hk government propped up by beijing at least thats what i've gathered from this thread so far
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Aug 26, 2020 18:20
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je1 healthcare posted:Wait when did the NED encourage violence? It's a tactic that only seems to have benefitted the CCP in justifying further crackdowns and disenfranchising the HK public. Washington hasn’t had a coherent strategy for decades. If you thought strategically, you’d start looking for ways to limit Chinese influence at the least cost and risk to the United States itself. You’d understand that the United States cannot halt or reverse Chinese economic growth (and certainly not without hurting itself), but you’d work hard to keep as many countries as possible on its side on the issues that matter, including advanced technology. In fact, you’d get serious about trying to prevent China from achieving a dominant position in potentially game-changing technologies like quantum computing and artificial intelligence. You’d be focused laserlike on maintaining a solid diplomatic position in Asia, and over time, you’d be looking for ways to drive a wedge between China and Russia, too. And you’d try hard not to get distracted by secondary issues and waste time, attention, political capital, or resources on them. What has the United States done instead? For starters, Trump abandoned the Trans-Pacific Partnership, a slap in the face to the 11 Asia-Pacific countries that had worked hard to reach an agreement that would have provided some modest economic benefits and kept them more closely linked to the U.S. economy. Then Trump launched his own trade war with China. But instead of lining up other key economic powers, he threatened or waged trade wars with most of them, too. Instead of presenting China with a united front, the United States has been facing China more or less alone, with substantially reduced leverage. The predictable result: a face-saving trade compromise that rolls back the clock and no progress on the real bones of contention with Beijing.
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Aug 26, 2020 18:21
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Not So Fast posted:Last I checked anarchists in the USA were busy burning down police stations and jails, so forgive me if I don't think they're shouting for US interventionism anytime soon. anarchists in the USA have been busy being blamed for secretly masterminding the burning down of police stations and jails
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Aug 26, 2020 18:22
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it’s also perfectly possible to contribute to a climate of increasing tensions and xenophobia during a possible lead up to intervention by hyper focusing on the crimes of the current designated enemy of the united states, which is still the major super power for now, and the great satan, the greatest threat to world peace, and an unambiguous force for evil in the world
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Aug 26, 2020 18:22
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HK also has all the colonial issues from britian too though and kinda shouldn’t be compared to Taiwan and Xinjiang. the CCP didn’t cause the insane housing crisis or a whole subclass of immigrant foreign workers (who couldn’t protests cause they had to make a living cleaning houses of the people who were protesting)
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Aug 26, 2020 18:26
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huhwhat posted:Washington hasn’t had a coherent strategy for decades. thanks, obama
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Aug 26, 2020 18:27
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Kill All Cops posted:ned encourages violence and destabilization in hk the same way hk protesters are being retroactively arrested for "rioting", because if you stand with hong kong you are actually standing with violence on street cleaners being pelted to death with bricks and setting old people on fire, recolonizing hk by the brits or whatever the gently caress strawman is being used to make them the boogieman and not the hk government propped up by beijing Kill All Cops posted:why are they my freedom fighters? i don't own them Ice Phisherman posted:The biggest narrative floating around out there right now that's in practice is probably democratic confederalism which is practiced over in Rojava in what most people know as Northeastern Syria. With as much attention that CHAZ/CHOP got as an autonomous zone, North and East Syria is basically a full on autonomous zone, though sadly that's been changing a lot due to the betrayal by the US of the Syrian Kurdish people to Turkey.
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Aug 26, 2020 18:31
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Hedenius posted:Since this thread isn’t 99% smug expats whining about how the barbaric orientals need to be civilized I’d say it isn’t the worst one. I wish I could say that general understanding of East Asia and Asians in the US has improved, but alas, it really hasn't. For all kinds of reasons, the situation in Europe seems to be considerably better. What American leaders and their intellectual lackeys seem incapable of understanding is that history cannot be swept clean like a blackboard, so that "we" might inscribe our own future there and impose our own forms of life for these lesser people to follow. It is quite common to hear high officials in Washington and elsewhere speak of changing the map of East Asia, as if ancient societies and myriad peoples can be shaken up like so many peanuts in a jar. But this has often happened with the "orient", that semi-mythical construct which since Napoleon's invasion of Egypt in the late 18th century has been made and remade countless times. In the process the uncountable sediments of history, a dizzying variety of peoples, languages, experiences, and cultures, are swept aside or ignored, relegated to the sandheap along with the treasures ground into meaningless fragments that were taken out of Baghdad. My argument is that history is made by men and women, just as it can also be unmade and rewritten, so that "our" east, "our" orient becomes "ours" to possess and direct. And I have a very high regard for the powers and gifts of the peoples of that region to struggle on for their vision of what they are and want to be. There has been so massive and calculatedly aggressive an attack on contemporary Asian societies for their backwardness, lack of democracy, and abrogation of women's rights that we simply forget that such notions as modernity, enlightenment, and democracy are by no means simple and agreed-upon concepts that one either does or does not find like Easter eggs in the living-room. The breathtaking insouciance of jejune publicists who speak in the name of foreign policy and who have no knowledge at all of the language real people actually speak, has fabricated an arid landscape ready for American power to construct there an ersatz model of free market "democracy". The major influences on Donald J Trump's Pentagon and National Security Council are men such as Mike Pompeo and Peter Navarro, experts on East Asia and Asian world who helped the American hawks to think about such preposterous phenomena as the Confucian mind and the centuries-old Chinese cultural decline which only American power could reverse. Today bookstores in the US are filled with shabby screeds bearing screaming headlines about China and Communism, the Chinese threat and the Communist menace, all of them written by political polemicists pretending to knowledge imparted by experts who have supposedly penetrated to the heart of these strange oriental peoples. CNN and Fox, plus myriad liberal and rightwing talk show hosts, innumerable tabloids and even middle-brow journals, have recycled the same unverifiable fictions and vast generalisations so as to stir up "America" against the foreign devil. Without a well-organised sense that the people over there were not like "us" and didn't appreciate "our" values - the very core of traditional orientalist dogma - there would have been no cold war with China. The American advisers to the Pentagon and the White House use the same clichés, the same demeaning stereotypes, the same justifications for power and violence (after all, runs the chorus, power is the only language they understand) as the scholars enlisted by the Dutch conquerors of Malaysia and Indonesia, the British armies of India, Mesopotamia, Egypt, West Africa, the French armies of Indochina and North Africa. Every single empire in its official discourse has said that it is not like all the others, that its circumstances are special, that it has a mission to enlighten, civilise, bring order and democracy, and that it uses force only as a last resort. And, sadder still, there always is a chorus of willing intellectuals to say calming words about benign or altruistic empires.
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Aug 26, 2020 18:35
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good post
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Aug 26, 2020 18:48
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It's very ignorant to assume that this particular action is representative of an entire movement comprised of millions.
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Aug 26, 2020 18:53
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Seriously tho Kill All Cops won this iteration of the Hong Kong Argument. Take the L and wait for the next one cuz this thread is quickly becoming extremely tedious.
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Aug 26, 2020 18:54
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also China brought a fuckton of people out of poverty without resorting to stealing a continent and subjugating and brutalizing 3 other continents, that fact alone makes the Chinese country* better than even the Scandinavian countries edit:unfair that I’d call China an empire and not these Scandinavian countries when they’ve been involved with way more wars and regime changes Professorjuggalo has issued a correction as of 19:01 on Aug 26, 2020 |
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Aug 26, 2020 18:55
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Thankfully China is not an empire and has never been one, and isn't having any issues with unchecked rampant nationalism in the armed forces
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Aug 26, 2020 18:57
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Grapplejack posted:Thankfully China is not an empire and has never been one, and isn't having any issues with unchecked rampant nationalism in the armed forces you’re 100% right switching gears this kinda made me lol https://twitter.com/somalilandbiz/status/1296456655308193793?s=21 this has to be to for western powers to create some kind of Cold War style tension cause China has way too much goodwill in Somalia right now (and this will only increase support for them)
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Aug 26, 2020 19:07
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stephenthinkpad posted:Would you guys shut up about Hong Kong? Look, actual news! https://www.scmp.com/news/china/military/article/3098671/chinas-navy-drills-4-regions-show-ability-counter-us-observers PLAN has been conducting near simultaneous military drills in the South China Sea, East China Sea, Yellow Sea and Bohai Gulf over the last few days. I think it's clear China is displaying that it is able to fight across the whole of it's naval territory if necessary. https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/08/26/national/politics-diplomacy/shinzo-abe-health-news-conference/ Also Japan's PM Abe has been to the hospital twice recently. No one knows why. He's expected to make a statement on his health Friday.
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Aug 26, 2020 19:25
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Taiwan should court Kosovo next and then Russia would get mad too
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Aug 26, 2020 19:27
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Ferrinus posted:anarchists in the USA have been busy being blamed for secretly masterminding the burning down of police stations and jails Who has been doing the burning?
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Aug 26, 2020 19:41
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Continuity RCP posted:Who has been doing the burning? principled marxist-leninists, obviously haha, just kidding. it's masses of people who understand that america sucks rear end but mostly don't have studied and refined political ideologies, which after all is basically a weird nerd hobby akin to knowing a lot about star trek. i'm sure there are anarchists (and marxists, and liberals, and...) IN the crowds but these are minorities of the population i will give anarchists credit for being good about setting up mutual aid networks, though
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Aug 26, 2020 19:43
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huhwhat posted:More often, and even more dangerously, anarchism’s desire to tear down social structures has resulted in anarchists supporting U.S. imperialist narratives against states that anarchists dislike. The 1999 NATO war against Yugoslavian social democracy gained support from anarchists because it was seen as a blow to Stalinist communism. In 2014, when the Western imperialists persuaded one of the co-presidents of the YGP that he would become head of a new state if he were to re-create Kurdistan in Syria, many anarchists cheered on this underhanded project to form anarchist NATO brigades. As the National Endowment for Democracy has incited fascistic and often violent protests in Hong Kong with the purpose of recolonizing the island, anarchists around the world have praised these CIA destabilization efforts as a righteous blow to Chinese “authoritarianism.” The issue with anarchists trusting CIA propaganda is a real one. vis a vis Syria you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. The "YPG" is an essentially ML structured group that loves Murray Bookchin. I do not believe it has a "co-president." It attracted a lot of volunteers from NATO states with a variety of leftist backgrounds, including--if the TrueAnon man is to be believed--at least one blanquist. Are you mad that Syria is more complicated than "THE LION ASSAD vs ACCURSED IMPERIALISTS" If so fear not, being abandoned by us, has pushed Rojava closer to Assad last I checked.
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