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Donkringel posted:This is dumb and I shouldn't post this, but I have to.
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paranoid randroid posted:final chapter opens with ONE YEAR LATER
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Algid posted:“From this hour forward the posts of this thread will be barred to my kin. Do not underestimate them. Do not commune with them. Do not send them PMs, or quote or reply if they post on alts. Many of them have a sweet avatar and a cool tag. They will say their wish is to be a good poster, to provide content of quality. In an earlier thread, this was true. Now trolls and worse have crept into their ranks. Madness has consumed them. Their only passion now is a lust for shitposting and pedantry.” Bravo.
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ThaumPenguin posted:I seriously doubt Abbadon would present an ending involving There wouldn't be force of natures introduced like Gogagog or Jagganoth if the theme was as pedestrian as 'tear down the system' like an angsty teen You can't reason with them, they don't care about identity or politics or power structures and the lovely Cold War that exists is currently the only thing keeping them in check Lumping in symptoms of the sickness like SD or Mottom because they obtained power and choose to abuse it is a knee-jerk that Allison hasn't grown out of yet
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Victis posted:There wouldn't be force of natures introduced like Gogagog or Jagganoth if the theme was as pedestrian as 'tear down the system' like an angsty teen Gogagog and Jagganoth are forces of nature now, but were not always. What exactly do you imagine to be "the sickness" if not the system of might makes right established, and glorified, by Zoss?
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I mean Abbadon literally said Jagganoth has the multiverse's most extreme case of PTSD because of the Universal War. All of his actions are because of that.
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Captain Oblivious posted:Gogagog and Jagganoth are forces of nature now, but were not always. What exactly do you imagine to be "the sickness" if not the system of might makes right established, and glorified, by Zoss? Jagganoth is Allison's path up to this point taken to the logical extreme, and Gog just wants to gently caress with everyone until they fail. As far as the sickness, the existence of the keys as a whole? The greed of humanity that treated the gates and wheel as a gold rush (and will continue to do so)? I don't see how you put the cat back in the bag. Power is always going to exist. Zoss didn't invent that concept, but he did eventually realize it's limitations. Allison isn't currently trying to do anything but defeat power with power, thus the whole point of the prison scene. The desire to see tyrants humbled by force is laudable but we were just explicitly told on-page that it's a fool's game Victis fucked around with this message at 18:54 on Aug 26, 2020 |
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Aug 26, 2020 18:44
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Ultimately it’s probably going to be a depowering if the keys and everything collapsing. You can’t stop gog or jag if they still have their power. I assume that’s what breaking the wheel means.
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Aug 26, 2020 18:58
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Song of Maybe posted:“Now I will make of this stone Earth and Water both,” said Intra, standing in front of the blaze. Next Intra is going to dig a well, and THEN he brains the lord with the rock when he proclaims that the rock will now turn to food. Or turns the rock into air by throwing it so hard that it vaporises along with the lord.
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Aug 26, 2020 19:05
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Zernach posted:Next Intra is going to dig a well, and THEN he brains the lord with the rock when he proclaims that the rock will now turn to food. Or turns the rock into air by throwing it so hard that it vaporises along with the lord. I'm getting a strong Stone Soup vibe from the whole story, so I'm guessing he's going to con them into feeding the village and then kill them when they get pissed and attack him.
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Aug 26, 2020 19:07
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TK-42-1 posted:Ultimately it’s probably going to be a depowering if the keys and everything collapsing. You can’t stop gog or jag if they still have their power. I assume that’s what breaking the wheel means. they're gonna change the keys so that instead of being shonen martial arts bullshit they're shonen cooking bullshit
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Aug 26, 2020 19:25
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He's going to turn the rock into lava, which is both fire and water at once.
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Tulip posted:they're gonna change the keys so that instead of being shonen martial arts bullshit they're shonen cooking bullshit This but unironically. I’d read Peel Six Billion Potatoes.
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Allison defeats Jagganoth by cooking him a bowl of noodles that reminds him of his childhood like the end of Ratatouille.
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TK-42-1 posted:Ultimately it’s probably going to be a depowering if the keys and everything collapsing. You can’t stop gog or jag if they still have their power. I assume that’s what breaking the wheel means. That's only if you select the Destroy ending.
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Begemot posted:Allison defeats Jagganoth by cooking him a bowl of noodles that reminds him of his childhood like the end of Ratatouille. His childhood was being a child soldier who experienced no love.
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Aug 26, 2020 19:56
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skaianDestiny posted:His childhood was being a child soldier who experienced no love. These noodles are so good they remind him of a happy childhood he never had.
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skaianDestiny posted:His childhood was being a child soldier who experienced no love. Child soldiers eat noodles too
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Who What Now posted:Child soldiers eat noodles too
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Joe Slowboat posted:I just think that ‘peace’ and ‘order’ are not presented as the same thing in this comic. I had no disagreement with anything you said actually, but the way you said it sounded so much like Dune/Dune Messiah I couldn't resist the joke.
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Aug 27, 2020 01:12
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Who What Now posted:Child soldiers eat noodles too noodles, gunpowder, and cocaine, just like El Jefe's enforcers used to make
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So question, why does mottom age while none of the other demiurges do? Gog and Mammon make sense, but salami, incubus, maaayyybbbbeee jaganoth do not.
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Donkringel posted:So question, why does mottom age while none of the other demiurges do? Gog and Mammon make sense, but salami, incubus, maaayyybbbbeee jaganoth do not. Salami has his Xianxia breathing techniques bullshit, Incubus practices Head of John, which gives him an immortal head and might let him do full body transplants, no idea what Jag did before his 30 nails of /godmode on, or what Jadis has going on.
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I think Jadis is only immortal in the sense that she's trapped in a wack-rear end crystal prison
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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:I think Jadis is only immortal in the sense that she's trapped in a wack-rear end crystal prison Jadis is different; She was dumb enough to look at the Shape of the Universe and now really wishes she could die but actually can't.
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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:I think Jadis is only immortal in the sense that she's trapped in a wack-rear end crystal prison
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IIRC Abbadon implied in WoG somewhere that Mottom was aging because she thought she should be aging and is afraid of death, but now after Allison destroyed the tree she's too pissed off to age, even though she's eating less peaches.
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SardonicTyrant posted:The Shape of the Wheel is just the message "An error has occured. Please contact your system administrator" I thought the thread had a consensus on this one: 
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skaianDestiny posted:IIRC Abbadon implied in WoG somewhere that Mottom was aging because she thought she should be aging and is afraid of death, but now after Allison destroyed the tree she's too pissed off to age, even though she's eating less peaches. And Allison apparently cured Mammon’s Fantasy Dementia by getting him pissed off at her, too. So is she about to get Solomon to learn to let go of his empire by majorly ticking him off?
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Regalingualius posted:And Allison apparently cured Mammon’s Fantasy Dementia by getting him pissed off at her, too. So is she about to get Solomon to learn to let go of his empire by majorly ticking him off? Mammon's not pissed at Allison, he's pissed at Mottom for killing his people. Which is kinda sweet he's more concerned about their lives instead of how his vault was breached and his money spilling everywhere.
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skaianDestiny posted:Mammon's not pissed at Allison, he's pissed at Mottom for killing his people. Which is kinda sweet he's more concerned about their lives instead of how his vault was breached and his money spilling everywhere. He was pretty pissed at the Count being ruined. Now he has to actually calculate and think again rather than just watch numbers go up.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:He was pretty pissed at the Count being ruined. Now he has to actually calculate and think again rather than just watch numbers go up. He can be pissed about more than one thing. I dunno, I always got the impression that Mammon's whole schtick was more about the priests than about Mammon. Mammon's dotage seems to have been something carefully cultivated by the bondage nun and her followers, ostensibly for Mammon's own sake, and the whole ritual of the count seems to have been devised as a distraction more than anything. His reaction to an intruder popping up and throwing off the routine was to immediately get super loving depressed and wish for death, which the priests don't appreciate for whatever combination of reasons, so they try to keep him focused on this endless, pointless task so that he doesn't have to dwell on his many regrets. He openly admits that it holds no interest or meaning to him, but it beats thinking about anything else. That's why he was "cured" so quickly when Mottom showed up--he wasn't exactly senile, but he had been lulled into this senseless routine by his handlers to keep him docile and complacent. Mottom blowing his poo poo up simultaneously shook him out of that and also gave him a much more pressing distraction.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:He was pretty pissed at the Count being ruined. Now he has to actually calculate and think again rather than just watch numbers go up. Not really? If he was really pissed he'd have demanded more than a verbal apology from Allison. Meanwhile, he was calling Mottom a murderer while breathing fire in the demiurge meeting, instead of mentioning anything about his money.
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We saw old kind & regreful Mammon wake up and become angry Mammon. You don't want to make someone who is trying to be nice lose their poo poo because if the nice approach doesn't work up front they won't hold back later. I reckon Mammon (offscreen) will have pushed back Mottom (by virtue of being a large angry dragon vs a vaguely human woman, if we assume their keys are rough equilizers) though ultimately it doesn't matter. Without the 6 working together to keep the multiversal apocalpyse scenario in check then Metatron & co will enact their long game plan and that's that. Unless some idiot barista kicks over the apple cart in a clever and unconventional way.
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While the Keys are just as powerful (each actually being a combination of 111,111 keys) they're not equalizers as much as they are intensifiers of your existing abilities. Mottom may be a human, but she is also a powerful witch and a master of the Red and White Arts, abilities amplified by her Key. Mammon does not have mastery of the Arts or of any school of combat. His strength lies in his sheer key-amplified size and particularly his wealth. He bought his key.
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ThaumPenguin posted:I seriously doubt Abbadon would present an ending involving Still remember how pissed I was when star ocean 4 ended like that. Can't believe I sat through dozens of hours of anime star trek just to be told "Sakoku was good, actually" So yeah, I hope that's not where all this is going.
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Aug 27, 2020 15:48
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At the end of the comic Allison goes full Syndrome and gives everyone a perfect copy of the Key of Kings so everyone can be an equally powerful kung fu punch wizard
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were the Arts expounded on in detail in the comic or were they in those loreposts in the description that I always try and fail to remember to read I just assumed some people just randomly had bullshit magic powers and that was Mottom's deal
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fluffyDeathbringer posted:were the Arts expounded on in detail in the comic or were they in those loreposts in the description that I always try and fail to remember to read Cio explicitly tells Allison that the Red Art is used to turn a Thing into a Different Thing at the beginning of this book. I don't know if the White Art is ever talked about directly in-text, but it is referenced in some of the under-comic stories I believe? Mottom demonstrates her mastery of the Red Art in transforming an angry prince into a tree, his retainer into cherry blossoms, and at the first Demiurge conference, Gog Agog's face into a bunch of exploded dead worms.
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All of the keys are descendants of Zoss' key, right? Like, each one resonates with a particular universe but they're all because he ripped the master resonance from Metatron. Would it be possible to cut off that power from the master switch/key? I assume that when demiurges give some of their power to the emissaries they can pull it back at any time.
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