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Picard is the guy who lost his heart in a bar fight with not-Klingons and ended up becoming Captain of the Flagship. A smart show would have him appear as a series finale to provide a cap to Mariner and Boimler's arcs and basically repeat the lesson of Tapestry. Mariner would be told "You keep asking everyone to trust you but that's never going to happen as long as you can't even do simple poo poo according to the rules" and Boimler would be told "Following the rules is great but if you want to be noticed for command you need to stand out and know when to take a few risks". You don't even need to do a comedy version of Picard (but Stewart's work in Family Guy shows he can absolutely do it), you could have him do that role entirely straight. The meta joke could even be that the Enterprise is the only non-dysfunctional ship in the fleet, which is why it gets so much work to do. Or just go through all the wild stuff that happened in TNG because the crew are dysfunctional there as well.
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Epicurius posted:I liked that it followed the rule of meetings. Also Shaxs and the catdoctor are cool and good, more of them please.
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Aug 27, 2020 16:50
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Super Deuce posted:You literally said... Man, it's hopeless. You'll defend the nonsense of this show regardless. I’m not defending anything, this show doesn’t need defending. I’m just saying what I like and what I don’t and why. You, on the other hand, have done almost nothing in this thread but argue. You’ve made it very obvious that you really hate this show, but you can hate it just fine without having to prove people who do like it are wrong somehow, y’know?
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Aug 27, 2020 16:55
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MikeJF posted:Best throwback trek reference this week was Ransom doing the Riker leg-up while he hit on an ensign.
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Aug 27, 2020 17:01
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Gonz posted:The evil AI menace from Picard was practically, beat for beat, a ripoff of the Reapers from Mass Effect. It was so blatant I'm shocked there's anybody around here defending what they did.
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Aug 27, 2020 17:11
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I enjoyed the back half of the episode more than the start. I think they need to tone down Mariner as a lot of her quirks are not endearing nor make sense in the context of a militarily structured organization.
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Aug 27, 2020 17:14
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Alchenar posted:You don't even need to do a comedy version of Picard (but Stewart's work in Family Guy shows he can absolutely do it), you could have him do that role entirely straight. The meta joke could even be that the Enterprise is the only non-dysfunctional ship in the fleet, which is why it gets so much work to do. Or just go through all the wild stuff that happened in TNG because the crew are dysfunctional there as well. In light of how insecure the Captain is, I still think it would be amazing to have Stewart and Frakes guest star as a straight laced Picard and Riker on a joint mission where they do everything competently and it just aggravates the Cerritos command more and more. Not to say Stewart and Frakes can’t be funny, just competent. Or I mean any number of other funny things they could do with cameos now that physical looks aren’t a barrier. I brought up Q a week or so ago and imagining Mariner quibbling with Q might be the only thing that makes her sass bearable, while Boimler ineptly tries to put the brakes on whatever the two of them eventually get into.
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Aug 27, 2020 17:23
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Martytoof posted:Frakes can’t be funny, just competent. God I want a Frakes cameo now. Put the whole "acting Captain" bullshit from Picard behind us and have him roll up in the Titan.
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Aug 27, 2020 17:36
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Martytoof posted:Or I mean any number of other funny things they could do with cameos now that physical looks aren’t a barrier. I brought up Q a week or so ago and imagining Mariner quibbling with Q might be the only thing that makes her sass bearable, while Boimler ineptly tries to put the brakes on whatever the two of them eventually get into.
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Aug 27, 2020 17:58
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That’s much more plausible given Mariner is way more annoying than Q. And a genuinely funny idea.
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Aug 27, 2020 17:59
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I like the cartoon Star Trek and I hope they make a lot more of it. I hope it inspires a bunch more animated Star Treks.
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Aug 27, 2020 18:07
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Marshal Radisic posted:I was actually reading a thread where someone else took the same premise in a different direction. Q shows up and Mariner tries to have fun adventures with him, but he blows her off, saying that it's only fun if the other guy is an uptight straight man who still has some fight in them. Q then goes on to bother the rest of the crew, but doesn't get the reaction he's looking for (the senior staff are just irritated with him, Boimler is too much of a coward to stand up to him, Tendi's too nice, Rutherford awkwardly tries to roll with everything). He then finally returns to Mariner and figures out how to get under her skin by making her a lieutenant commander with an exemplary service record. This is a fantastic episode concept.
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Aug 27, 2020 18:36
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I really liked the ascension scene. Finally a scene that made me laugh out loud. (Well, an amused chuckle, but it was definitely out loud.) I feel like they still need to dial in Mariner's character a bit, but I'm starting to get a handle on what they want to do with her. And it's nice to see Tandi get some characterization. I look forward to an episode where Mariner isn't front and center.
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Aug 27, 2020 18:49
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TomR posted:I like the cartoon Star Trek and I hope they make a lot more of it. I hope it inspires a bunch more animated Star Treks. Dud of an episode aside, I’m afraid I’m only 105% behind this opinion.
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Aug 27, 2020 19:14
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Drone posted:It still irks me that the nameplate is on the wrong end of the saucer though. I don't really get why they did that. It's so people know which ship is running away from them.
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Aug 27, 2020 21:03
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It’s actually on the front of the ship and they’ve had it in reverse all this time.
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Aug 27, 2020 21:08
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ashpanash posted:I really liked the ascension scene. Finally a scene that made me laugh out loud. (Well, an amused chuckle, but it was definitely out loud.) It's literally just this scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CUiyT0Uh6w e: except the Rick and Morty joke was much funnier
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Aug 27, 2020 21:12
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Drone posted:I'm convinced that the reason Picard failed was because they put together a much tighter story for the first season than we actually got, were all set and ready to go, and then someone (be it a writer, a producer, whatever) took a gigantic Sharpie to the whole thing and made massive changes. The writers then didn't really try terribly hard to adapt the story they wrote to account for the new changes, and so you get things like... including a random Riker/Troi episode in the middle of it -- which I mean it was a fine episode but it reeked of "we put this in here because we had to" because of its wild departure from the season's pacing. Huh, come to think of it, what's Chabon's stated reason for not returning for season two? Is it realistic, or does it stink of 'excuse covering the real reason for departure'. I could easily see him leaving or being forced out after conflicts over that kind of thing. To many interests tugging on it has always been Trek's bane, after all. It's the biggest reason why Voyager and Enterprise ended up the way they did. The only thing everyone could agree on was wishing they had TNG's ratings. "Be more like TNG! And play it safe!" MikeJF fucked around with this message at 21:16 on Aug 27, 2020 |
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Aug 27, 2020 21:13
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I don't see where all the hate is coming from for this episode; they toned down the manic pace slightly, had a proper Trekkian sci-fi gimmick with the generation ship and terraforming goop, and made Mariner a bit less insufferable by putting her on the back foot and showing more of the relationship between her and Carol. Plus Tendi actually got to do something for once. It was the most solid ep so far, for me. Best gag was Boimler's hot-mic moment with his combadge, though. How do they know when you've stopped talking to the person at the other end?
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Aug 27, 2020 21:22
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Alchenar posted:It's literally just this scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CUiyT0Uh6w It’s like a lot of scenes. “Well-meaning doofus attends a solemn event and disrupts it with their doofery” is a super common comedic scenario. Rick and Morty neither invented it nor perfected it. I guarantee you that The Simpsons has done it better than either show. Multiple times. Which is probably true of any joke you can name.
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Aug 27, 2020 21:35
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Phylodox posted:It’s like a lot of scenes. “Well-meaning doofus attends a solemn event and disrupts it with their doofery” is a super common comedic scenario. Rick and Morty neither invented it nor perfected it. I guarantee you that The Simpsons has done it better than either show. Multiple times. Which is probably true of any joke you can name. No, specifically the late-episode scene where guy starts ascending and then regrets it. It's literally the same afterlife joke, except not nearly as cleverly told.
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Aug 27, 2020 21:56
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Episode felt unbalanced. The humor wasn't really there, the C(?) plot with Boimler needed way more time given to it or they should have just left it out, I don't know. By the time it was over I just felt like I wasted 20 minutes.
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Aug 27, 2020 21:59
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Alchenar posted:No, specifically the late-episode scene where guy starts ascending and then regrets it. It's literally the same afterlife joke, except not nearly as cleverly told. Oh, then I have to disagree. “Why is he smiling?!? What does he know?!?” puts it over the Rick and Morty scene for me. Also, The Simpsons probably did that better, too.
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Aug 27, 2020 22:02
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MikeJF posted:Huh, come to think of it, what's Chabon's stated reason for not returning for season two? Is it realistic, or does it stink of 'excuse covering the real reason for departure'. I could easily see him leaving or being forced out after conflicts over that kind of thing. quote:You were going to step away as showrunner of “Picard” in order to make your Showtime series based on “The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier & Clay” with your wife Ayelet Waldman. Where are you with that? (Showtime is a ViacomCBS property) I imagine if there's any drama behind the scenes, CBS wouldn't give have been given a production deal.
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Aug 27, 2020 22:24
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Funny all the hate for this past episode. I didn't really like episode 3 too much but I thought episode 4 was pretty funny and enjoyable.. So far episode 2 is my clear favorite. Show is delightful IMO.
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Aug 27, 2020 22:46
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Alchenar posted:It's literally just this scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CUiyT0Uh6w Counterpoint: this scene didn't even make me crack a smile (and I don't hate R&M as much as I've just never watched past the first season or 2)
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Aug 27, 2020 22:47
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Yeah, ep 4 good, and had a great Trek concept. It helps they could properly visualise it in a way they’d never be able to in live action. LDS is fine, y’all.
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Aug 27, 2020 22:57
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I didn't enjoy episode 4 as much and I'm not sure why.
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Aug 27, 2020 23:17
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My terrible hot take: Episode 4 felt to me like Mariner said at the end, they're laughing at us, not with us. It came across to me as "Gee didn't TNG suck? Only a loser would find that nerd poo poo interesting."
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Aug 27, 2020 23:27
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Ep 5 is gonna have this ship: Looks pretty good there, hopefully we get some better angles.
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Aug 28, 2020 00:44
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Alchenar posted:It's literally just this scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CUiyT0Uh6w Interesting. It didn't strike me as the same joke at all. To me, the Rick and Morty joke was 'Oh no, the whole thing was real after all, AND there was plenty of obvious evidence that it was.' On the other hand, the LDS joke is more 'Oh, even after all of my preparation, it turns out I'm utterly unprepared for what I'm experiencing.' Well. You know what they say about examining jokes.
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Aug 28, 2020 00:44
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How had no one pointed out the episode stole a front page joke from 2006?
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Aug 28, 2020 00:50
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People did when that padd showed up in the trailer. Turns out that was basically the entire joke. People make poops in the holodeck.
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Aug 28, 2020 00:51
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ashpanash posted:Interesting. It didn't strike me as the same joke at all. To me, the Rick and Morty joke was 'Oh no, the whole thing was real after all, AND there was plenty of obvious evidence that it was.' The whole bit is just a vehicle for an obscure Ghost reference, really.
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Aug 28, 2020 01:00
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I think the episode was fine.
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Arglebargle III posted:I think the episode was fine. I enjoyed it quite a bit. I thought the ship getting attacked by the genesis goo was fun. They're clearly aiming this at a late teens early 20 audience or what they think that age demographic wants to see in their characters so I can see why some fogeys my age dislike it, but I can adjust.
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Aug 28, 2020 02:59
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This episode got a rating of 2 laughs out of me, with one of them being a very long and hearty laugh. It was otherwise entirely too tropey and had too much reset at the end and not enough "person actually learning a lesson and changing." A shame after the last episode got me all in. That being said, I did actually like the premise at the start. Generation ships + matter that converts inorganic to organic is fun stuff. A bit wasted on this episode but still better than nothing. The worst part is how prideful officers are. Incredibly un-Trek and un-entertaining. DaveKap fucked around with this message at 03:36 on Aug 28, 2020 |
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I liked this episode a lot. Honestly, the only thing I didn't really like was the very end of I've accepted this as an episodic comedy cartoon that just so happens to use the Star Trek setting, and that the spirit and tone of the show shares only that superficial connection. Maybe the writers want it to be considered canon, but I don't seriously see that happening. And in that light, it seems OK to me, considering this is just the first season. So, I was expecting the reset button to be pressed at some point near the end. But the way they did it seemed... I don't know. Cheap? I think a better way to do it would have been to leave most of it off-camera. Have Admiral Whoever say one word clearly wrong, have him say it wrong again, zoom in on Mariner's smirking face, and then smash cut to her back in the lower decks as an ensign, talking about how she knows how to get demoted. Oh, and I loved the ascension scene. The dude finally made it. The way that was handled was downright hilarious.
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Aug 28, 2020 04:59
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Ascension gave me vibes of Bill Cipher.
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Hispanic! At The Disco posted:Ep 5 is gonna have this ship: Kinda looks like Riker’s Titan if it had been designed during TNG season 5.
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