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Maz: I believe this Rey might be the future of the Force. I will help guide her path through the fog of discovery, and — Someone Else: Maz! The unions are fighting against their inequitable treatment! Maz: Not on my watch. *pulls out gun, runs off in opposite direction*
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Aug 27, 2020 01:43
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Bootleg Trunks posted:Was the old EU like this I like how the "Maz gives the medal that Han used to buy drinks back to Chewbacca" continues to make Han be a shithead in the ST. You wouldn't want to denigrate the character of Maz going through Leia's belongings after her death. All of that....for a loving bit nobody cared about.
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Aug 27, 2020 15:00
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Chewie got a five-issue miniseries (titled Star Wars: Chewbacca) that ended with him giving his medal to some folks he helped out set directly after A New Hope So his reaction to getting a medal in TROS was probably "dafuq do I need this for?"
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Aug 27, 2020 18:17
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teagone posted:Rian Johnson knew exactly how crappy of character Maz was. Maybe he did and maybe he didn’t, but somebody clearly thought Maz being revealed as space-CIA was insanely hilarious. The solution to the character is not a lengthy laugh-free sequence where her old lady glasses... are spy glasses! And she’s using a jetpack!!! These movies are just relentlessly unfunny.
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Aug 27, 2020 18:23
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i still don't get why people thought "it's salt" was some kind of epic one liner
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Aug 27, 2020 18:26
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I still dont get why people get so mad about that line
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Aug 27, 2020 18:57
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It's just a studio-feeling line for dummies that makes no sense in actual context. Turning it back around as a way to smugly say "you mad" to people who didn't like the movie was of a piece with all lovely burns employed by libs- powerful covfefe energy
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Aug 27, 2020 18:58
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Ingmar terdman posted:I still dont get why people get so mad about that line The line itself is just innocuous exposition. A random character explains to the audience that the white stuff isn’t snow. Whatever. The issue is more to do with why this is in the movie. Why is it necessary to specify what sort of mineral the ground is made of? They seem to be underlining that Krait is a ‘mineral planet’ (unlike other planets, this one is made of minerals) - but the actual point of the “white dirt over red dirt” imagery is a hastily-introduced and halfassed ecological theme. The planet is bleeding! All this conflict is hurting the planet! That imagery of course bombed hard, because nobody actually gives a poo poo about a small amount of topsoil being kicked up in a barren wasteland. So you have this dippy spirituality and “don’t punch Nazis” stuff that people just completely tune out. All that remains is this dude testing an unfamiliar substance that he finds on the ground, by eating it. “Hmm. Cyanide.” As is the case throughout TLJ, people can’t follow the narrative at all, and consequently just project whatever they want onto the film. So here, out of the mess, they picked up on the word “salt” and took it as a reference to the slang for being upset by videogames. So now the movie is about videogames. SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 19:53 on Aug 27, 2020 |
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Aug 27, 2020 19:48
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No it's because it's the film going HAHA our battle of rebels against imperial walkers on a completely white background isn't on a SNOW planet therefore this isn't a complete rip off of Empire.
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Aug 27, 2020 21:01
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Henceforth, every new setting in Star Wars will be introduced with someone eating the scenery to establish what it tastes like.
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Aug 27, 2020 21:34
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I hate sand.
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Aug 27, 2020 21:38
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Bootleg Trunks posted:Was the old EU like this Boba Fett canonically fell into the Sarlacc Pit twice
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Aug 27, 2020 23:10
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Rochallor posted:Boba Fett canonically fell into the Sarlacc Pit twice that's good though
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Aug 27, 2020 23:53
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In the old EU, Han Solo won a planet while gambling. He then kidnapped Leia and took her there to “court” her. This is in the book called The Courtship of Princess Leia. Luke trained a new Jedi who was turned to the Dark Side by the ghost of an ancient Sith. This newly turned dark side apprentice stole a literally invincible starship that could destroy entire solar systems. Which he used to kill billions. But he felt bad about it later, so he was forgiven, and allowed to be a Jedi and serve in the New Republic. I’m pretty sure Luke and his other apprentices prayed the Sith ghost away, but I can’t remember for sure. There was a Super Star Destroyer hidden underground in Coruscant, and it was risen to the surface by a woman who rose to the top of the Empire by sleeping with Tarkin. This woman would become head of The Empire, and later The New Republic. Luke fell in love with a ghost Jedi trapped in the computer of starship. She got a new body. Then they broke up. I honestly don’t remember what happened to her after that. Leia was almost raped by a green skinned alien who gives off pheromones and wears see through clothes, and has an assassin sexbot. Almost everything I just said occurred before The New Jedi Order, after which things got really loving weird. The new EU sucks in a lot of ways. But so did the old one. Let’s not pretend otherwise. Even I’ll admit that medal poo poo is really really dumb, though. Where is that actually from?
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"It's salt" was intended to, along with "Everything you just said is wrong", be made into hella sweet reaction gifs to own people on Twitter and Tumblr. Don't forget how terminally online Johnson is.
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Aug 28, 2020 02:05
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THe o ld EU at least wasn't being made up to rationalize poorly explained or visually confusing nonsense in the movies. These explanations aren't even an EU, they're just a lovely webcomic writer going "nuh-uh, that not what happened at all, it actually makes perfect sense". It's hoenstly not a dyanmic I though i'd see out of serialized web content.
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Aug 28, 2020 03:10
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The last Jedi is clearly the third best stars wars movie m. It’s so good.
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Aug 28, 2020 03:22
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euphronius posted:The last Jedi is clearly the third best stars wars movie m. It’s so good. no way does it beat phantom menace
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Aug 28, 2020 03:29
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It depends if you think the Spielbergian pacing of ep 1 is a detriment If you don’t then last Jedi is 4th best easy
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Aug 28, 2020 03:32
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I know that money is the ultimate motivation but the old EU was also motivated by the apparent fact that there were no plans for more movies and people were invested in seeing what happened to the classic characters. Now you've got a steady stream of high budget film/tv content coming out forever and also no one cares about the new characters. The old EU was super mixed quality and was way more boxed in than the ST (in that they couldn't do anything too terribly game-changing to the classic characters). BUT people still had interest in seeing how Luke rebuilt the Jedi, how the Empire was mopped up. I just can't bring myself to believe that anyone cares what Rey is going to do or how the galaxy rebuilds. Not even ROS was interested in leaving the door open - they sent Rey back home and had the Sheev Ships blow up from kill the queen kill the colony logic
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Ingmar terdman posted:The old EU was super mixed quality wrong. it was all good. 
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Aug 28, 2020 04:39
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Ingmar terdman posted:The old EU was super mixed quality and was way more boxed in than the ST (in that they couldn't do anything too terribly game-changing to the classic characters). BUT people still had interest in seeing how Luke rebuilt the Jedi, how the Empire was mopped up. From what I've seen of the new EU, yeah, the random noise in quality level has basically been compressed. There's nothing absolutely terrible like the Sun Crusher or the Bounty Hunter Wars, but also nothing to make you say, "poo poo this is actually pretty good" like Wraith Squadron. Horizon Burning posted:"It's salt" was intended to, along with "Everything you just said is wrong", be made into hella sweet reaction gifs to own people on Twitter and Tumblr. Don't forget how terminally online Johnson is. This is QAnon level reasoning.
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Aug 28, 2020 06:50
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euphronius posted:The last Jedi is clearly the third best stars wars movie m. It’s so good. finally someone else sees the light
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Aug 28, 2020 07:03
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It really shouldn't be surprising that blockbuster movies are deliberately trying to create hella memes for free advertising on the internet, it's only the natural progression from whedon quiporama.
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nah i'm pretty sure the salt line was in reaction to people saying tfa was just a rehash of new hope
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Rochallor posted:This is QAnon level reasoning. People were posting them as camripped reaction gifs the first week TLJ released lmao
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Elfgames posted:nah i'm pretty sure the salt line was in reaction to people saying tfa was just a rehash of new hope But wouldn't a better option be to have a planet that is nothing like Hoth, or structuring a movie so it isn't just ESB (with a dash of RotJ)? I mean TLJ zigs where they zag, but it still has similar structure. People wouldn't have a leg to stand on then, just doing what looks a lot like the battle of Hoth, but it's salt not ice, doesn't really cut it. I mean, in TFA it was a death star planet, not a death star space station but that distinction doesn't stop it being the exact same movie.
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Horizon Burning posted:People were posting them as camripped reaction gifs the first week TLJ released lmao So? That doesn't mean the director is acting in conspiracy to deliver blows to his political rivals. It means people who make gifs saw a scene with the word salt in it. And as long as we're speaking anecdotally, I've never seen the gif being used. garycoleisgod posted:But wouldn't a better option be to have a planet that is nothing like Hoth, or structuring a movie so it isn't just ESB (with a dash of RotJ)? I mean TLJ zigs where they zag, but it still has similar structure. Having a salt planet is an incredibly cool idea that's totally justified by the visuals. It's an unnecessary battle at the end of a too-long movie, but in isolation it looks great. It just didn't need to be a direct retread of Hoth.
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Rochallor posted:This is QAnon level reasoning. But it's literally what happened lol
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Rochallor posted:Having a salt planet is an incredibly cool idea that's totally justified by the visuals. It's an unnecessary battle at the end of a too-long movie, but in isolation it looks great. It just didn't need to be a direct retread of Hoth. But it was a direct retread of Hoth. It's like the difference between Jakku and Geonosis. Both are desert planets but Geonosis is obviously not Tatooine while Jakku obviously is. Sure Johnson could have made an interesting septic involving a planet with salt flats and crystals and poo poo, but he didn't. "It's Salt" only seven as an unconvincing justification that "No see my movie totally isn't just ripping off ESB. It's not snow despite acting in the exact same way and being visually identical!"
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Aug 28, 2020 15:40
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Rochallor posted:This is QAnon level reasoning.
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Rochallor posted:but also nothing to make you say, "poo poo this is actually pretty good" like Wraith Squadron. Alphabet Squadron would like a word with you. The novels are a good idea executed well, and if you've spent any time with the X-Wing or TIE Fighter games, you know exactly what's going on at every moment of every space fight. I'm hoping for some Alphabet Squadron content for the starfighter game coming out in October, it'd make for good single-player DLC.
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Aug 28, 2020 17:28
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The Little Death posted:THe o ld EU at least wasn't being made up to rationalize poorly explained or visually confusing nonsense in the movies. A great deal of it was exactly that. That's why it gave us poo poo like Force Kick and light saber styles. Ingmar terdman posted:The old EU was super mixed quality and was way more boxed in than the ST (in that they couldn't do anything too terribly game-changing to the classic characters). Yeah, look at how unambitious the Heir to the Empire trilogy was. Zahn seemed to be writing under a rule that nothing that happens in that trilogy could be bigger or more momentous that what happens in the movies.
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I respect the Thrawn trilogy more for not trying to upstage the events of the OT, really.
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Aug 29, 2020 00:21
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And he still had to reel himself in (Jorus Cboath was initially a mad clone of Obi). That being said I reread the Thrawn trilogy in the leadup to TFA (bc once that came out disney would come to everyones house to destroy their decanonized materials you see) and I was surprised at how well they mimicked the energy and pacing of the OT movies in book form
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Aug 29, 2020 00:36
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PeterWeller posted:A great deal of it was exactly that. That's why it gave us poo poo like Force Kick and light saber styles. Nobody in the world was confused by those things.
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Aug 29, 2020 00:47
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So it was pointless effort.
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PeterWeller posted:So it was pointless effort. It was, and it was needless nerd embellishing, but I still respect it more than saying "listen, Maz didn't steal a medal off Leia's corpse like we implied via visuals and dialogue. She just for no reason went to the intergalactic pawn shop where Han traded his missing brother-in-law's war memorabilia for drug money, and gave him that one instead." And releasing that explanation only after people reacted with "Maz steal from the dead".
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