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Big thumbs up for the Ciaphas Cain trilogy audiobook. The multi cast reading is great, I love love love the way they did Sulla's excerpts.
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Oh god I could barely tolerate reading it how was it like in audio
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Aug 24, 2020 11:09
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StrixNebulosa posted:I haven't read it yet because Deathwatch, but Requiem Infernal by Fehervai is supposedly approaching literature with good 40k horror, so check that out and report back and tell me to read it already. Fehervari is my new fav BL author, Requiem Infernal is so good
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Aug 24, 2020 13:34
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Has anyone read Praetorian of Dorn? I liked it, but I re-read it and I totally convinced myself that alpharius was using the psyker trick mentioned where his mind can get transferred into the bodies of his space marines, so that when they say they are alpharius, they actually could be. But then the last chapter threw that theory to the ground when Omegon notices he's alone after the one Alpharius died. But I like that he died by having a complicated plot to talk to one of the most intransigent primarchs. After reading Master of Mankind, I kind of wonder what would have happened if he went straight to the Empruh himself.
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Aug 24, 2020 16:32
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Ardent Communist posted:Has anyone read Praetorian of Dorn? I liked it, but I re-read it and I totally convinced myself that alpharius was using the psyker trick mentioned where his mind can get transferred into the bodies of his space marines, so that when they say they are alpharius, they actually could be. But then the last chapter threw that theory to the ground when Omegon notices he's alone after the one Alpharius died. But I like that he died by having a complicated plot to talk to one of the most intransigent primarchs. After reading Master of Mankind, I kind of wonder what would have happened if he went straight to the Empruh himself.
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Aug 24, 2020 16:47
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Finally got Saturnine and blasted through it. drat, it felt good after First Wall. I honestly thought it juggled the variation between the different battles well enough to avoid being stale and it really allowed the Primarchs to shine a bit. I love that we saw some humour from Dorn. Although did anyone else find it a lttle off putting how easily Dorn seemed to essentially kill Fulgrim (until he regenerated as snakey boy)? Fulgrim is supposed to be one of the scariest fighters with 2 primarch kills under his belt (well, one now RG came back) but he seemed to be a foppish, whining baby getting beaten up by his big brother. I know he's distracted by his corruption and barely interested in the material world, but it didn't feel like Primarch vs Primarch. He was almost pre-corruption Lorgar level pushover I also like what they did with the Ollinus Piers myth, although I'm still a bit confused. Is there a perpetual and a random guardsman with similar names? Or is he the Olly we've followed in the story?
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Aug 24, 2020 18:14
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boredsatellite posted:Oh god I could barely tolerate reading it how was it like in audio I was with you, so what they did was have the woman who voiced the silent sister in Saturnine go full ham and it just works.
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Aug 24, 2020 18:44
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Dog_Meat posted:Finally got Saturnine and blasted through it. drat, it felt good after First Wall. I honestly thought it juggled the variation between the different battles well enough to avoid being stale and it really allowed the Primarchs to shine a bit. I love that we saw some humour from Dorn. Fulgrim was transformed when he fought Guilliman. I don't think it was supposed to feel like a primarch fight because Fulgrim wouldn't have been manipulated by top knot and would have a been a harder fight for Dorn if he wasn't hopped up on space drugs and chaos. Snekgrim would probably killed Dorn too if he actually tried. I think the Ollinus in Saturine was the perpetual's grandson. He end up in Terra way way early and settled down to wait. He'll still show up on the Vengeful Spirit somehow.
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Aug 24, 2020 19:33
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Dorn has also been shown to have some sort of ability to quell the warp around him, which may have also given him a fighting chance.
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Aug 25, 2020 01:48
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Dorn is so utterly single-minded it doesn't surprise me that the Warp can't really dig at him.
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Aug 25, 2020 01:55
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Aug 25, 2020 01:57
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For the Saturnine Ollanius questions: Remember that Grammaticus said something about the method of getting to Terra allowing for vast changes in timing and location. Grenadier Piers remembers actual Mithric cults from the Roman era, dudes a perpetual. Grammaticus and Ollanius were last seen hopping through spacetime trying to make it to Terra, though they were separated. This isn't their first trip "back to the future" in the HH series, and its kind of cool what the various authors have done with the characters, their unique perspective of time, and their movements. Every indication, including how he talks about himself points to the fact that he ended up in the "past" and has lived his life as a grizzled Terran soldier through the latter parts of the crusade. His ability to see Jenita speaks to the Ollanius character's ability to see objects of faith that was brought up in Know No Fear and his side stories. The Perpetual side stories have played fast and loose with time and continuity. Grammaticus and Pierson have overlapping "lived" experiences throughout this period. Granted BL and GW have come out as strongly being anti-canon so there aren't hard and fast rules. Any idea that Piers/Pierson are different people is supported neither by the text or the context. Its the same dude, he's not dead dead and I expect he, John and the other remainders of their kind are going to have a big part in the finale. Immanentized fucked around with this message at 03:12 on Aug 25, 2020 |
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Aug 25, 2020 03:09
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Immanentized posted:For the Saturnine Ollanius questions: The Mythric cult points to him not being the perpetual. He talks about the cult being a recent history experience. He does mention it's probably older, but he is talking about a recent experience. It also doesn't make sense in that Pierson was hardcore catholic so why wouldn't he go with that? It can't be he is worried about the imperial truth since he is expressing belief in Mythrus. We see in his reaction when he meets her that he really believes in it and isn't just bullshitting the remembrancer. It doesn't make sense with anything we know about the perpetual. quote:
He also doesn't talk at all like the perpetual we saw in the previous books. He doesn't really give any indication he is that person. If he is the perpetual then it appears he has somehow lost his memory, but being a perpetual I don't see how that is possible. There is also this, which admittedly, could be a lie, but taken with the rest I don't think it is quote:
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Aug 25, 2020 05:18
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right then fellow nerds, what sound I read next? Master of Mankind or Plague War?
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Aug 25, 2020 09:37
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Master of Mankind is definitely pretty good, but I haven't read Plague War. For those still keeping up, I ending up buying Tallarn and Requiem Infernal.
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Aug 25, 2020 09:53
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Arbite posted:I was with you, so what they did was have the woman who voiced the silent sister in Saturnine go full ham and it just works. Oh gently caress that sounds incredible Also Plague War is pretty good
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Aug 25, 2020 11:41
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I listened to the audiobook so im not quite sure, but was the unmarked legionary that qas guarding the perpetual lady a second (lost) legion warrior? his armor said 2LE or something to that effect
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Aug 25, 2020 11:56
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Nuclear War posted:I listened to the audiobook so im not quite sure, but was the unmarked legionary that qas guarding the perpetual lady a second (lost) legion warrior? his armor said 2LE or something to that effect It was wishy washy as always, but didn't it imply he was a template of some kind for the astartes with no primarch bloodline? I never even registered the number being the same as a lost legion.
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Aug 25, 2020 13:38
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He was a space marine whose geneseed was made from the Emperor's genes directly. One of the very first prototypes before the Primarchs were finished.
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Aug 25, 2020 13:51
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It would be fitting if the two lost legions and their accompanying primarchs were exterminated due to siding with pacifist mom.
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Aug 25, 2020 14:22
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So this isn't warhams (or even hams-adjacent) but (at least in  land) Audible has Steven Fry reading Sherlock Holmes for free if anyone's looking for an intermezzo or some poo poo. BVMF used to read me these when I was an literal childe and I'd listen to Fry reading just about anything so it's "extremely my jam" (as the kids say these days).
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Aug 25, 2020 14:49
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So I have to say that Avenging Son is pretty good so far, but man did they get the wrong narrator for what is supposed to be the first book in a new Horus Heresy novel chain. His voices tend to make some characters sound like the urgently need to find a restroom, and Gulliman has the strangest voice choice.
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Aug 25, 2020 16:04
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notaspy posted:right then fellow nerds, what sound I read next? Master of Mankind or Plague War? Plague war is poo poo except for maybe the parts with robottoman. Do yourself a favor and read anything by Abnett, ADB and Wraight first. Also Josh Reynolds.
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Aug 25, 2020 16:09
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Miguel Prado posted:Plague war is poo poo except for maybe the parts with robottoman. Do yourself a favor and read anything by Abnett, ADB and Wraight first. Also Josh Reynolds. And Peter Fehervari
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Aug 25, 2020 16:41
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Nuclear War posted:I listened to the audiobook so im not quite sure, but was the unmarked legionary that qas guarding the perpetual lady a second (lost) legion warrior? his armor said 2LE or something to that effect LE2 was the catalog number for the Limited Edition Space Marine way back in 1986 or so, the one that got redesigned and released in plastic a few years ago. It’s just a fun easter egg referring to a Space Marine that existed before everything else, much like the character.
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Aug 25, 2020 17:02
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PantsOptional posted:LE2 was the catalog number for the Limited Edition Space Marine way back in 1986 or so, the one that got redesigned and released in plastic a few years ago. It’s just a fun easter egg referring to a Space Marine that existed before everything else, much like the character. Ngl, a little bit disappointed
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Aug 25, 2020 19:18
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Improbable Lobster posted:And Peter Fehervari And Mike Brooks and Robert Rath
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Aug 25, 2020 21:40
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Miguel Prado posted:And Mike Brooks and Robert Rath And John French (Horusian Wars specifically)
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Aug 25, 2020 22:23
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XAzZSqdJaw
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Aug 26, 2020 05:48
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So I decided to pick up the first Ciaphus Cain novel last week and blew through it in no time. I'm halfway through the second book now. I'm liking it, it's a refreshing change and I like the charaters, the footnotes and the shift in narrative styles ("Purge the guilty - an impartial account"  ). But I can see what people mean about the repetition. "I was going to do X... of course, had I known what was going to happen I wouldn't have done X". I wasn't quite prepared for the number of pop culture references though. Aliens, Predator, Apocalypse Now, etc. "There is a significant credit value attached to this installtion" "If it bleeds we can kill it" "I love the smell of promethium in the morning" Still, WH40k was always a tongue in cheek homage and you can forgive it when you have Rambo running around and warboss Margaret Thatcher.
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Aug 28, 2020 07:56
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They're very good for some lighthearted reading where I know that Cain is going to be kicking back and sipping tea at the end. I just wish Sandy Mitchell would understand that you get only one "comely" per novel. The second time you describe the same character as comely in a book you've already gone too far.
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Aug 28, 2020 08:37
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Guyver posted:I think the Ollinus in Saturine was the perpetual's grandson. He end up in Terra way way early and settled down to wait. He'll still show up on the Vengeful Spirit somehow. The source for the "Olly stands between Horus and the Emperor" story just happened. It will later be retold as happening on the Vengeful Spirit, but that story has been told. That was it, there won't be any more to it, stories get exaggerated as they get retold - especially if they turn into legends, and even more so if there needs to be a legend. Somebody fucked around with this message at 07:47 on Aug 29, 2020 |
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Aug 28, 2020 09:30
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mllaneza posted:The source for the "Olly stands between Horus and the Emperor" story just happened. It will later be retold as happening on the Vengeful Spirit, but that story has been told. That was it, there won't be any more to it, stories get exaggerated as they get retold - especially if they turn into legends, and even more so if there needs to be a legend.
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Aug 28, 2020 13:02
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I think everyone's really mean to Sulla. She's not the greatest writer but, you know, it's a change of tone and that can be fun?
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Aug 28, 2020 13:24
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Schadenboner posted:I think everyone's really mean to Sulla. She's not the greatest writer but, you know, it's a change of tone and that can be fun? I think Sulla is a lot of fun. In her mind she's in a completely different story. A warrior of righteousness following the lead of a legendary unflappable hero (who is her mentor and not simply doing his best to put distance between them at every opportunity)
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Aug 28, 2020 14:37
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The thing I love about Eisenhorn as a narrator (I'm on Malleus right now) is the times when he's like "I managed to track him down. I won't explain how because it's boring Inquisitor stuff. Anyway so there I was, having found him..." It's just so stupidly gruff and smug, I love it.
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Aug 28, 2020 14:38
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He's just skipping the long and tedious grunt work that probably consists of like 99% of an Inquisitors life, but you never see it because its boring and tedious.
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Aug 28, 2020 14:43
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Klaus88 posted:He's just skipping the long and tedious grunt work that probably consists of like 99% of an Inquisitors life, but you never see it because its boring and tedious. Counterpoint: Missing In Action and Master Imus's Transgression are both e.deece?
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Aug 28, 2020 14:49
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Klaus88 posted:He's just skipping the long and tedious grunt work that probably consists of like 99% of an Inquisitors life, but you never see it because its boring and tedious. Oh I know, that's what I'm saying. I'm not only glad he's doing that but it makes me laugh that he specifically calls out that he's skipping over that stuff in his telling of the story.
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SnakesRevenge posted:I think Sulla is a lot of fun. In her mind she's in a completely different story. A warrior of righteousness following the lead of a legendary unflappable hero (who is her mentor and not simply doing his best to put distance between them at every opportunity)
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