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sean10mm posted:Yeah if a 3070 is almost a 2080 loving TI, they can have my $600 or whatever. I remember when the 1070 matched the 980 Ti. What sucked was the 980 Ti was priced at $649 and the 1070 was priced at $379.
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Aug 27, 2020 22:50
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Did anyone actually manage to buy a 1070 for under $400?
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Rabid Snake posted:I remember when the 1070 matched the 980 Ti. I mean, it sucked for the people who bought a 980Ti late in its life, but if you bought it early you got a year+ out of it before the 1070 was released. For everyone else, that was great because they moved the performance bar up considerably with the 10-series. I'd much prefer that sort of "suck" over the suck that was the original 20-series launch.
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Martian Manfucker posted:Is 75-85c~ under load Too Hot for a 1660 ti? I feel like that might be too hot. It idles around 50c. I have the EVGA 1660 ti SC Ultra and it has a pretty dinky looking cooling apparatus, but it doesn't seem like the kind of card I'd want to spend any extra money on. I haven't messed with the fan curve on it at all or overclocked it beyond whatever the factory did. Its hot, its not "Too Hot".
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OhFunny posted:Did anyone actually manage to buy a 1070 for under $400? Yeah, I got an Asus Dual 1070 for $360 right before all the bitcoin fuckery vastly inflated the prices.
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Some Goon posted:Its hot, its not "Too Hot".  A lot of people get way too concerned about temps imo, modern hardware is very good at throttling when things get too toasty and those temps are nowhere near "too hot" levels. By all means have a look at your airflow if you want an effeciency project or if your card is underperforming in the games you play but don't let it keep you up at night, particularly if you run it with hot ambient temps. That's well within reasonable margins.
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Some Goon posted:Its hot, its not "Too Hot". There were several generations of cards used to mine bitcoin and some people would have them run at 90c 24/7 for months with no ill effect. You're gonna have a 3 year warranty anyway.
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So if the bit coinery fuckery is all over, why are GPUs still expensive as hell and why do we think that the new ones will be a more a "reasonable" price, as someone who owns a 1050 and will be buying a 3080 variant because I now have the disposable income that I didn't 5 years ago.
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OhFunny posted:Did anyone actually manage to buy a 1070 for under $400? My 1080 was 4 bills on the dot.
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RGX posted:
Thanks for the reality check. I got myself all worried because a friend mentioned offhand that the temperature was high and I might be getting throttling etc. But if it doesn't come into effect until 90c+, I've never seen temps that high, so I'm not gonna worry about it anymore. I'm also gonna put that sound dampening padding back on the case because the fan noise is too much for me and having all those open holes right near the motherboard is just asking for something to get spilled directly in there.
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MonkeyLibFront posted:So if the bit coinery fuckery is all over, why are GPUs still expensive as hell and why do we think that the new ones will be a more a "reasonable" price, as someone who owns a 1050 and will be buying a 3080 variant because I now have the disposable income that I didn't 5 years ago. Like all technologies reaching their more developed/derived phases, every % performance increase is costing more and more to develop. The days of some random untrained dork stumbling into the room and saying "why dont you turn this part around backwards!!!" and magically doubling performance is long since passed. So with the "easy wins" mostly already out of the way, every small gain becomes much more of a slog and much more rife with conscious trade-offs. The cheap and easy stuff was already done years ago. R&D costs go up, R&D costs get passed to consumers, prices go up. Part of the rising R&D cost cycle is that it also strips competition out of the market. If you don't have billions in liquid assets to bankroll development and thousands of trained engineers on staff, you can't even begin to play in the gaming GPU space. Less competition lets the margins rise. And of course, there are real physical limits in the universe. Investors always want to think that if you just invest some amount of cubic dollars, you can force the next big leap forward. They are stuck in that post WW2 mentality where everything advanced fast forever. But technology doesn't work that way. There really is a point where you've made the best hammer possible, and thats it forever. I personally don't think the 3XXX series will really be a huge price/performance step, unless Nvidia got a great deal on Samsung's manufacturing... for the simple reason that they don't have to do that. People have demonstrated that they are willing to pay high prices, and they have little competition. Price/performance was flat with the Turing launch, got a little better with the Supers, and I bet it is going to be relatively flat again this time. The wildcard here is whether Nvidia really does feel they have something to fear from the consoles.
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MonkeyLibFront posted:So if the bit coinery fuckery is all over, why are GPUs still expensive as hell and why do we think that the new ones will be a more a "reasonable" price, as someone who owns a 1050 and will be buying a 3080 variant because I now have the disposable income that I didn't 5 years ago. We don't have a particularly good idea what pricing is going to be, Jensen is known for changing his mind on pricing literally last minute. It's probably not going to be cheap, but should represent a significant leap in value from Turing. A GTX 1050 is 132 mm2 and launched at $109. A GTX 1060 launch 6gb GPU is 200 mm2 and launched at $249. A GTX 1650 is 200 mm2 and launched at $149. A GTX 1080Ti is 471 mm2 and launched at $700. An RTX 2070 is 445 mm2 and launched at ~$499-599. An RTX 2080Ti is 754 mm2 and launched at ~$1200. Size is a very significant factor in the price of Turing. Semiconductor production isn't perfect, there are defects. The larger a die is, the more likely defects will ruin it, even if you've tried to build in redundancy. It's really loving expensive to produce huge pieces of silicon, but since GPU work is ultra-parallel, the main way to make GPUs faster is to make them bigger. The 3000 series is a significant process shrink, but the dies are still going to be huge - a 3080 is rumored to have as many cores as a 2080Ti, and probably more extra hardware such as extra raytracing power. Also, AMD has no competition for Nvidia except at the low end.
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MonkeyLibFront posted:So if the bit coinery fuckery is all over, why are GPUs still expensive as hell Because the manufacturers figured out that people were still buying GPUs at the inflated prices caused by mining, so the prices stuck
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Regrettable posted:Yeah, I got an Asus Dual 1070 for $360 right before all the bitcoin fuckery vastly inflated the prices. Seamonster posted:My 1080 was 4 bills on the dot. drat. I paid $436, but then again I did buy at launch.
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Nemo2342 posted:I'm still using a 5 year old 980 (I skipped the 20 series because I needed to replace everything else in my PC). 980 gang  Also my 980 sli setup with stupid OC beats a stock 2080 in TS and FSE, for the one game I currently play with sli suppory BurritoJustice fucked around with this message at 09:25 on Aug 28, 2020 |
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Rabid Snake posted:I remember when the 1070 matched the 980 Ti. By then you could get a 980ti for less than the price of a 1070. Pascal got a lukewarm reception on launch since the 970 was such amazing value despite the vram fuckery. That it's now fondly remembered illustrates how hosed we are right now 
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Shipon posted:curses that i bought a gsync monitor instead of a gsync compatible freesync monitor so i'm locked into nvidia at this point depends on which one actually, some of the newer ones support Adaptive Sync and HDMI VRR
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I wonder if the new Avatar movies will bring a renewed push for 3D monitors, and the implication that might have for graphics cards bandwidths. No-glasses 3D is a thing, I guess, but all you have to put in a monitor to make it 3D ready is a polarization filter, right? The rest is software. James Cameron is a bit of a techno geek, so he apparently forced Disney to put both types of HDR (Dolby Vision and HDR10+) on the Alita 4K Blu-ray. But 3D seemed to be rejected by the market last time, and at the moment you can barely find 3D screens for sale - only projectors
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Is there a reliable way to estimate power consumption and determine if your PSU is sufficient? And could a current card like a 2080ti or RTX Titan be used as a surrogate in these calculations (unless we already have an idea of how power hungry the new cards will be)? I think I'll probably be ok where I'm at, but I want to get an idea of how much if any headroom I'll have left.
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Almost Smart posted:Is there a reliable way to estimate power consumption and determine if your PSU is sufficient? And could a current card like a 2080ti or RTX Titan be used as a surrogate in these calculations (unless we already have an idea of how power hungry the new cards will be)? Assume ~350W for the Ampere GPU and add this for your CPU:  CPU fans are negligible, and storage drives are probably, what, 5W each roughly? People are generally fine, but "generally" does not deal with edge cases where people have all kinds of crap hooked up to their USB ports and PCIe slots.
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There are a number of PSU Wattage calculators, and they seem to be mostly consistent, pretty broadly speaking. I plugged my specs into a couple of them and I see a ~15W variance in the result.
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lol that the TDP is 350W (3090), 320W (3080) and then ... 220W for the 3070. A major difference seems to be that the first two are on G6X and the 3070 is on G6. And they’ve also confirmed the 20GB 3080.
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shrike82 posted:And they’ve also confirmed the 20GB 3080. Coming some months from now. So presumably that one will get the Ti tag.
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shrike82 posted:lol that the TDP is 350W (3090), 320W (3080) and then ... 220W for the 3070. A major difference seems to be that the first two are on G6X and the 3070 is on G6. Gddr6x being the cause of the ballooning power consumption would make a lot of sense. If we're expecting better efficiency between uarch enhancements and a more advanced node, bumping power by 25% would lead me to expect somewhere around +60% performance over the 2080ti which seems like a lot. Really makes it seem like it would have been worth going hbm2e instead though for the high end skus. They have the flexibility to price them pretty much as they please.
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Arzachel posted:By then you could get a 980ti for less than the price of a 1070. Pascal got a lukewarm reception on launch since the 970 was such amazing value despite the vram fuckery. That it's now fondly remembered illustrates how hosed we are right now Pascal was a huge hit on release. The 980tis weren't under $400 until after Pascal's launch, unless you're talking used. The 1070 was about that same performance using way less power and less heat. The 970 was still a great value, sure. But the biggest complaint about Pascal was they kept selling out. Nothing about that launch was lukewarm.
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I think the 970 is remembered fondly because despite the fact it was kind of hosed, it kept people running games at decent enough settings on their 1080p screens. A minor amount of games and settings would challenge the cards available VRAM, and the card outside of VRAM is competitive with midrange pascal and low end turing for performance.
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When I was looking at my options for a cheap upgrade for freesync compatibility, from what I gleaned, the 970 still outperformed the 1650 most of the time.
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Rinkles posted:When I was looking at my options for a cheap upgrade for freesync compatibility, from what I gleaned, the 970 still outperformed the 1650 most of the time. I'd take a 1650 Super over a 970 zero questions asked and the reality is, i'd probably take the integer scaling in turing over the performance in the 970 too, even in the regular 1650
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VorpalFish posted:Gddr6x being the cause of the ballooning power consumption would make a lot of sense. if the memory is extremely spicy i wonder if that will be a problem for g10/g12 users passive vram heatsinks might not cut it this time?
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repiv posted:if the memory is extremely spicy i wonder if that will be a problem for g10/g12 users Yeah I've already relegated myself to selling my 1080Ti with the AIO to a friend
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