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teardrop
Dec 20, 2004

by Pragmatica

Michael Corleone posted:

Yeah, I am thinking this one, but I actually just want a gas mask with like some protection, there are some with carbon and other stuff for painters, not expensive. I have one but my MIL friends say that eastern block surplus is filled with asbestos, also are the 3M 100's washable or no, the look really expensive. I amazoned and am not really that sure will hit it up again in the morning.

https://www.amazon.com/3M-Respirato...ps%2C150&sr=8-2

e; yeah the full ones are expensive. That is why a filtered gas mask (carbon or something not from the 80's) with a kn or n underneath might be best for me. We use latex so it would come off super easy so i don't mind investing a bit.
e2; i really prefer the gas mask or full face thing, i wear a face shield but it is way to flimsy to be cleaning all the time so i only put it down when i am around ppl spraying.

Good face shields are not flimsy at all. The one I wear at work is back ordered but you get the idea:
https://www.amazon.com/Uvex-Bionic-Polycarbonate-Anti-Fog-S8510/dp/B001VXXUWK?th=1&psc=1
Amazon keeps trying to sell just a replacement visor under the color/style dropdown so be careful of that.

There is no reason for your mask to be getting dirty, keep your shield down and wipe it as needed with water, soap, rubbing alcohol, whatever gets it clear. It’s made to be the first line of defense, there is no mask design that is easier to clean than a face shield due to it’s simplicity.

Edit: the problem with your idea of wearing 2 masks as a prefilter is that anything that can clog the mask you wear now will clog your prefilter just as quickly. Just wear a bandana over your mask if you really want a washable prefilter

teardrop fucked around with this message at 15:53 on Aug 29, 2020

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explosivo
May 23, 2004

Fueled by Satan

Mithaldu posted:

anyhow, anti mask march livestream in berlin right now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlCzhorETBE

Lol
https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/1299731920272662528

Michael Corleone
Mar 30, 2011

by VideoGames

teardrop posted:

Good face shields are not flimsy at all. The one I wear at work is back ordered but you get the idea:
https://www.amazon.com/Uvex-Bionic-Polycarbonate-Anti-Fog-S8510/dp/B001VXXUWK?th=1&psc=1
Amazon keeps trying to sell just a replacement visor under the color/style dropdown so be careful of that.

There is no reason for your mask to be getting dirty, keep your shield down and wipe it as needed with water, soap, rubbing alcohol, whatever gets it clear. It’s made to be the first line of defense, there is no mask design that is easier to clean than a face shield due to it’s simplicity.

Edit: the problem with your idea of wearing 2 masks as a prefilter is that anything that can clog the mask you wear now will clog your prefilter just as quickly. Just wear a bandana over your mask if you really want a washable prefilter

Thanks. I saw this one:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B088B969B...2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ==

Same style, gets here on thursday but won't be able to wear it till Friday. I might take a look at my gas mask and see if it looks like i can get a KN under it for the next 4 days, as a makeshift. But, when I say my masks get dirty it is mostly just the straps, it is a dirty job. Also I swap out 3 or 4 a day and let them bake in my car to dry, but that won't be lasting much longer with the seasons changing.

Shaman Tank Spec
Dec 26, 2003

*blep*



Welp I have a Covid test tomorrow. I started developing flu-like symptoms on Thursday and did one of those self-evaluation things, which said it could very well be the ol' 'roni and to forward my results to a healthcare professional, who called 15 minutes later and told me to get my rear end to a testing center at the earliest opportunity, which in their case was tomorrow.

I have every expectation that it's just the flu, but considering what we know about Covid, it'd be negligent not to get tested in any case. I just hope the testing arrangements are reasonable and sane, and I don't have to sit in a small closet with corona patients until my mayberona turns into definiterona.

QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008
Probation
Can't post for 3 hours!
I think right now you're more likely to encounter coronavirus than you are to encounter flu, at least if you're in the US

Inept
Jul 8, 2003


Twat McTwatterson posted:

I'm referring to the average goon who based on the responses in this thread in particular are quite erudite and cultured. Why would a goon be buying "snack food" in a pandemic?

Twat McTwatterson posted:

goons.

sometimes you have to remember this forum is made up of goons and not able-bodied/minded adults

i too hate goons

fuckin goons

FoolyCharged
Oct 11, 2012

Cheating at a raffle? I sentence you to 1 year in jail! No! Two years! Three! Four! Five years! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!
Somebody call for an ant?

Well, I just did a stupid risky move and went with my son to meet my dad at the airport because it was his last time piloting before retirement. Place was deserted to the tune of what 5am flights looked like before all this mess.

Shaman Tank Spec
Dec 26, 2003

*blep*



As a follow-up to my earlier post: apparently at leat Finnish healthcare professionals are acting in a very sane manner. The instructions state there's a specific entrance to be used for entrance to the clinic, and the official guidance is to not even enter the clinic itself, but to wait outside until a nurse comes to get you.

The tests are also only by scheduled appointment, so probably people are spaced out so reasonably that there aren't that many people waiting at the same time.

Thumbs up to our healthcare people!

AEMINAL
May 22, 2015

barf barf i am a dog, barf on your carpet, barf

Der Shovel posted:

As a follow-up to my earlier post: apparently at leat Finnish healthcare professionals are acting in a very sane manner. The instructions state there's a specific entrance to be used for entrance to the clinic, and the official guidance is to not even enter the clinic itself, but to wait outside until a nurse comes to get you.

The tests are also only by scheduled appointment, so probably people are spaced out so reasonably that there aren't that many people waiting at the same time.

Thumbs up to our healthcare people!

Here in Sweden they have shipping containers outside the main hospital with heaters and medical gear installed to check anyone entering the emergency room, good poo poo

DeadFatDuckFat
Oct 29, 2012

This avatar brought to you by the 'save our dead gay forums' foundation.


Do you guys have drive thru testing sites? We have a bunch of those, where you don't even have to get out of your car to take it.

Marmaduke!
May 19, 2009

Why would it do that!?

Der Shovel posted:

I have every expectation that it's just the flu,

Good news buddy, I have it on good authority that the rona is indeed "just the flu", so you'll be fine either way. A few smart alecs have been saying how the flu is actually pretty bad itself, so if it makes you feel better we can say it's no worse than the sniffles now. So reassuring!

Michael Corleone
Mar 30, 2011

by VideoGames
I was trying to navigate the streets to get like 3 blocks away from me but you know Cleveland, 2 seasons! Anyway I guess I passed either a free testing site or a a Covid supply giveaway. The line was taking up half of a pretty long street.

One last question, but I probably know the answer: When I am working or get something from a gas station, or bring food home to eat SOON I wipe them down with Alcohol rubs. The Clorox rubs are not safe for wiping down food right? Running low on the alcohol wipes but hear at least you can get 10 for a bux at the Dollar Tree if I can't find any other places, also my dad said Dollar Tree has pretty big bottles of hand sanitizer.

Zurtilik
Oct 23, 2015

The Biggest Brain in Guardia
Wait are you wiping down the food itself? Like alcohol rubbing a chicken?

astral
Apr 26, 2004

Be careful with cheap hand sanitizer that it doesn't contain methanol:

https://www.fda.gov/drugs/drug-safety-and-availability/fda-updates-hand-sanitizers-consumers-should-not-use

Michael Corleone
Mar 30, 2011

by VideoGames
LOL no, just the packaging or the lid and neck of a beverage.

Yep, I had to throw away 2 bottles for the same thing, and they weren't cheap at the time!

Michael Corleone fucked around with this message at 00:25 on Aug 30, 2020

QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008
Probation
Can't post for 3 hours!

Michael Corleone posted:

LOL no, just the packaging or the lid and neck of a beverage.

Yep, I had to throw away 2 bottles for the same thing, and they weren't cheap at the time!

To my knowledge clorox wipes and alcohol are each equally effective and safe for wiping down containers. You shouldn't drink from the neck of a beverage that you just wiped down unless you've removed any excess

xtal
Jan 9, 2011

by Fluffdaddy
You can also rinse off the disinfectant to feel pretty confident

Turrurrurrurrrrrrr
Dec 22, 2018

I hope this is "battle" enough for you, friend.

COVID is 3x the cop killer compared to guns:

spiritual bypass
Feb 19, 2008

Grimey Drawer

Turrurrurrurrrrrrr posted:

COVID is 3x the cop killer compared to guns:



Where's that from? Seems wrong for anything to come close to automobiles from my recollection of reading about this years ago

Blistex
Oct 30, 2003

Macho Business
Donkey Wrestler

Turrurrurrurrrrrrr posted:

COVID is 3x the cop killer compared to guns:



You always see the silver lining.

Cthulu Carl
Apr 16, 2006

Turrurrurrurrrrrrr posted:

COVID is 3x the cop killer compared to guns:



:patriot: Thank you for your service, Comrade Covid.

Turrurrurrurrrrrrr
Dec 22, 2018

I hope this is "battle" enough for you, friend.

rt4 posted:

Where's that from? Seems wrong for anything to come close to automobiles from my recollection of reading about this years ago

Officer Down Memorial Page

unpacked robinhood
Feb 18, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
Officer down more like auf wiedersehen, bitch

HerStuddMuffin
Aug 10, 2014

YOSPOS
So, how many minority lives have been spared thanks to covid killing cops so far?

greazeball
Feb 4, 2003



Der Shovel posted:

Welp I have a Covid test tomorrow. I started developing flu-like symptoms on Thursday and did one of those self-evaluation things, which said it could very well be the ol' 'roni and to forward my results to a healthcare professional, who called 15 minutes later and told me to get my rear end to a testing center at the earliest opportunity, which in their case was tomorrow.

I have every expectation that it's just the flu, but considering what we know about Covid, it'd be negligent not to get tested in any case. I just hope the testing arrangements are reasonable and sane, and I don't have to sit in a small closet with corona patients until my mayberona turns into definiterona.

gently caress dude, good luck man. It sounds like the testing service is set up pretty well so hoping it goes ok for you.

Shaman Tank Spec
Dec 26, 2003

*blep*



DeadFatDuckFat posted:

Do you guys have drive thru testing sites? We have a bunch of those, where you don't even have to get out of your car to take it.

We do indeed, but I don't have a car, so I had to bike over to the clinic like a schlub and sit down in a chair to have my brain poked.

Also, the dumbest most infuriating poo poo I've seen for some time. Outside the clinic was a cordoned off waiting area for people coming in to get tested, and there were maybe five people there ahead of me. An immigrant couple with their baby, a young woman, a young adult trucker hat dude and a Karen.

Everyone was wearing masks, except for the trucker hat dude and the Karen. You no-consideration-having motherfuckers, you're coming to get tested for COVID-19 which implies you at least think you might have it, and you're STILL not wearing a loving mask? But it gets worse! Trucker hat was ahead of me in line, and when I came back out and started biking for home, I passed an area where the local university student unions were having some kind of event with a large XTREME ADULT BALLPIT and music blaring. And who do I see getting into the XTREME ADULT BALLPIT with maybe 30 other people, still without a mask? Why, our friend, trucker hat!

There literally ought to be a law.

greazeball posted:

gently caress dude, good luck man. It sounds like the testing service is set up pretty well so hoping it goes ok for you.

It was extremely professional. A nurse in full protective gear came out to the doors to call out people by name, and from there it was all very military efficiency. Step here, wash your hands with this disinfectant, go to this room here. If you want to take off your backpack, hold it in your lap but do not put anything down on any surface. Sit on this covered chair, take off your mask, hold this tissue in front of your mouth, tilt your head back and boop, test taken. Then I was escorted back out by the nurse who gave me instructions on how to quarantine myself until I get my test results back, had my hands disinfected again and I was done.

Maybe three minutes total, extremely effective and safe.

Shaman Tank Spec fucked around with this message at 13:57 on Aug 30, 2020

stump collector
May 28, 2007

Der Shovel posted:

student unions were having some kind of event with a large XTREME ADULT BALLPIT and music blaring. And who do I see getting into the XTREME ADULT BALLPIT with maybe 30 other people, still without a mask? Why, our friend, trucker hat!

There literally ought to be a law.


A law to ban pit balls

Twat McTwatterson
May 31, 2011

Inept posted:

i too hate goons

fuckin goons

you're really weird for looking at my post history

Sanctum
Feb 14, 2005

Property was their religion
A church for one

Blitter posted:

The whole loving point is not to encourage optimism or pessimism, it is to make clear that we do not definitively know enough about reinfection to make anything but the most cautious assumptions.

To be clear, much of the world is treating this pandemic with the abundance of caution required because if the reinfection window really is short, or protection is weak, etc then herd immunity isn't possible and endless endemic infection is.
That's why I dislike people bringing up 'herd immunity' as though it's a blanket concept that applies for all viruses. The "60% population" model people are referring to with herd immunity is based on the Ro of the season flu, which is 1.3. That means a person who contracts a completely new strain of flu virus will infect - on average - 1.3 additional people. Unlike the seasonal flu, the Ro of covid is between 2 and 3, that's very contagious. So even reaching a point where 60% of the population has been infected isn't going to create herd immunity, you'd need some higher threshold than "just" 60% of the population. And that's still assuming a virus where infection provides long-term resistance to reinfection. The assumptions required for the herd immunity model to be effective are not valid in this case.

The only hope I see for herd immunity with covid is going to be creating and broadly administering effective vaccines. Even when infection doesn't provide a long-term resistance to reinfection, it is possible for a vaccine to do that.

Bloody Hedgehog
Dec 12, 2003

💥💥🤯💥💥
Gotta nuke something

Twat McTwatterson posted:

you're really weird for looking at my post history

Why would a goon be looking at "post history" during a pandemic?

They should be buying snack foods.

Cacafuego
Jul 22, 2007

Bloody Hedgehog posted:

Why would a goon be looking at "post history" during a pandemic?

They should be buying snack foods.

If you check out a toilet, you’ll see my posts. Especially if it’s one of those weird German ones.

naem
May 29, 2011

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

sucks to be right
We've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas

https://twitter.com/loriamontgomery/status/1300392822026178561

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
I hate how the news media describes everything as “controversial”.

Is drinking bleach “controversial”? Is ethnic cleansing “controversial”?

Popoto
Oct 21, 2012

miaow

Platystemon posted:

I hate how the news media describes everything as “controversial”.

Is drinking bleach “controversial”? Is ethnic cleansing “controversial”?

they cant say "bad/dangerous/deadly" as that would show bias!!!!!!!111!!11!

Popoto
Oct 21, 2012

miaow
centrism is pure and just. if youre not questioning both sides constantly, you are a radical deadly extremist

zgrowler2
Oct 29, 2011

HOW DOES THE IPHONE APP WORK?? I WILL SPAM ENDLESSLY EVERYWHERE AND DISREGARD ANY REPLIES
I would take actual centrism over this patently right-wing toothless acceptance that counts for moderate positioning in the US

Colonel Cancer
Sep 26, 2015

Tune into the fireplace channel, you absolute buffoon
No true centrist...

Shaman Tank Spec
Dec 26, 2003

*blep*



Popoto posted:

centrism is pure and just. if youre not questioning both sides constantly, you are a radical deadly extremist

Yeah, considering both sides is a good idea in many situations, but it's also NOT a good idea in many. We don't have to balance saying nazis are bad by also doing a feature on the "good" aspects of fascism and Nazism. We don't have to give equal attention to credible scientific theories and crackpot opinions.

No matter how hard the morons yell it, "drink bleach and pray real hard" isn't an equally good way of fighting corona as actual scientifically proven methods suggested by medical professionals, and saying this is not political. Not letting the bleach crowd have equal air time is not political.

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Zmej
Nov 6, 2005

zgrowler2 posted:

I would take actual centrism over this patently right-wing toothless acceptance that counts for moderate positioning in the US
buddy do i have bad news for you

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centre_Party_(Germany)#The_Enabling_Act

the centrists had and will have no problems siding with far-right and fascism

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...etType=REGIWALL

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