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Government oversight over superheroes ultimately only has one story to tell and that's "the government misusing superheroes in immortal ways"
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Aug 30, 2020 00:18
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I'm reading slotts she hulk and heroes definitely can be in court and involved in court cases without revealing their identity
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Aug 30, 2020 00:26
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site posted:I'm reading slotts she hulk and heroes definitely can be in court and involved in court cases without revealing their identity It is even a current plot line in Daredevil! The She Hulk arc with Spider-Man really does it well though.
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Aug 30, 2020 00:29
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I'ma go ahead and say that if you kill someone, they won't let you keep your mask on.
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Aug 30, 2020 00:30
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What if Peter Parker is the mask
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Aug 30, 2020 00:31
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Charles Soule had the Supreme Court make it legal for vigilantes to give testimony in court without removing their masksBrianWilly posted:I mean, the general premise behind having accountability and transparency behind masked nameless superhuman WMDs is not the literal most dumb thing in the world which is why the Civil War story could even passably present the conceit of "choose your side!" Both Civil Wars have basically the same idea at their core (those being "maybe these superhumans should operate with some level of oversight" for 1 and "actually an early-warning system is a good idea when the world nearly ends every other week" for 2) and both go south because the status quo needs to be upheld and so a bunch of heroes get real stupid and use take those good ideas and warp them into justifications to start being fascists. TwoPair fucked around with this message at 00:37 on Aug 30, 2020 |
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Aug 30, 2020 00:35
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site posted:What if Peter Parker is the mask
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Aug 30, 2020 00:36
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So glad the Mutant Registration Act was struck down so X-men don't have to deal with this mess.
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Aug 30, 2020 00:44
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BrianWilly posted:I have it under Not good enough, we need pictures! Pictures of Spider-man!
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Aug 30, 2020 00:44
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I think my ultimate issue with "Civil War made some good points" is I can't envision any US government apparatus I trust to maintain any kind of oversight over superheroes. It just does not exist.
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Aug 30, 2020 01:11
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I can envision the military abducting super people and forcing them to work for the government like they do in the comic tho
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Aug 30, 2020 01:18
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Civil War would've been a much shorter and less dumb book if the story had actually been about registering vigilantes so they can be held accountable for their actions instead of sending everyone who has a weird gene into an extradimensional prison where they're tortured forever.Blockhouse posted:Government oversight over superheroes ultimately only has one story to tell and that's "the government misusing superheroes in immortal ways" That's because states are illegitimate forms of authority that can only do wrong.
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Aug 30, 2020 01:33
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Lurdiak posted:Civil War would've been a much shorter and less dumb book if the story had actually been about registering vigilantes so they can be held accountable for their actions instead of sending everyone who has a weird gene into an extradimensional prison where they're tortured forever. Especially when that prison is seen as an act of aggression by the ruler of said extradimensional space and used as causus belli for a war that killed billions.
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Aug 30, 2020 02:06
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:Especially when that prison is seen as an act of aggression by the ruler of said extradimensional space and used as causus belli for a war that killed billions. I'm sure the extradimensional prison didn't help but Annihilus' excuse for rallying the Negative Zone was that the universe was expanding into it, which isn't really anyone's fault but the fundamental laws of physics. And I say excuse because he just wanted a reason to murder everyone who's ever lived so that nothing could ever kill him, which has always been his goal.
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Aug 30, 2020 02:09
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Lord_Hambrose posted:It is even a current plot line in Daredevil! The She Hulk arc with Spider-Man really does it well though. Wait, recently? This sounds amazing.
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Aug 30, 2020 03:17
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Lurdiak posted:I'm sure the extradimensional prison didn't help but Annihilus' excuse for rallying the Negative Zone was that the universe was expanding into it, which isn't really anyone's fault but the fundamental laws of physics. And I say excuse because he just wanted a reason to murder everyone who's ever lived so that nothing could ever kill him, which has always been his goal. Oh that was the expansion he was talking about? I thought he meant Reeds expanding into the Negative Zone with his prison.
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Aug 30, 2020 04:18
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ThermoPhysical posted:Wait, recently? This sounds amazing. It was a big deal in Soule's run, which was more interesting than good overall I felt. It's come up in the current Zdarsky run which is really good.
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Aug 30, 2020 04:59
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ThermoPhysical posted:Wait, recently? This sounds amazing. Daredevil recently turned himself in for manslaughter but is going in only as DD, because Foggy Nelson reminds him that if he reveals his identity as Murdock, criminals will naturally come after his friends for revenge and also they point out that basically every case he's ever worked on will have the verdict be overturned*. *DD's been working as a prosecutor since Secret Wars.
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Aug 30, 2020 06:47
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All Matts Are Bad.
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Aug 30, 2020 07:34
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Lurdiak posted:All Matts Are Bad. What about his twin brother Mike Murdock?
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Aug 30, 2020 07:40
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Skwirl posted:What about his twin brother Mike Murdock? He's a fine upstanding fellow.
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Aug 30, 2020 07:42
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site posted:What if Peter Parker is the mask They actually did this poo poo right at the beginning of the Clone Saga.
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Aug 30, 2020 09:12
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Rhyno posted:They actually did this poo poo right at the beginning of the Clone Saga. Clone Saga would have been fine if it hadn't been artificially extended by marketing. And I still miss Ben Reilly.
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Aug 30, 2020 09:19
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Skwirl posted:Clone Saga would have been fine if it hadn't been artificially extended by marketing. Possibly but it was bad bad bad. They had this whole "I AM THE SPIDER" bullshit and he cocooned himself up in his bedroom and when he burst out he was THE SPIDER and god drat it i hate everything
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Aug 30, 2020 09:35
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Rhyno posted:Possibly but it was bad bad bad. They had this whole "I AM THE SPIDER" bullshit and he cocooned himself up in his bedroom and when he burst out he was THE SPIDER and god drat it i hate everything I'm not saying it would have been great, but there's some decent stories hidden inside it too.
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Aug 30, 2020 09:44
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Rhyno posted:Possibly but it was bad bad bad. They had this whole "I AM THE SPIDER" bullshit and he cocooned himself up in his bedroom and when he burst out he was THE SPIDER and god drat it i hate everything Did that not also happen, almost word for word in The Other?
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Aug 30, 2020 09:45
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Dan Didio posted:Did that not also happen, almost word for word in The Other? Hell if I remember, I'm the idiot who owns two complete runs of the Clone Saga, not the Other.
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Aug 30, 2020 09:46
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They really seemed to think at the time that the best way to sell people on Ben Reilly was to make Peter Parker a total rear end in a top hat.
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Aug 30, 2020 09:48
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Rhyno posted:Hell if I remember, I'm the idiot who owns two complete runs of the Clone Saga, not the Other. At least The Other is only 12 issues. I've never actually read The Other.
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Aug 30, 2020 09:49
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Angry Salami posted:They really seemed to think at the time that the best way to sell people on Ben Reilly was to make Peter Parker a total rear end in a top hat. As a ten-twelve year old who read all of it at release it sorta worked.
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Aug 30, 2020 09:50
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Rhyno posted:Hell if I remember, I'm the idiot who owns two complete runs of the Clone Saga, not the Other. I bought a very fancy, hardcover, collected edition of The Other when I was getting back into comics, if we could combine our powers... phew.
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Aug 30, 2020 09:51
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Dan Didio posted:Did that not also happen, almost word for word in The Other? They should establish that that's just a period all Spider heroes go through. It's like an embarrassing teenage goth phase.
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Aug 30, 2020 13:10
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Gripweed posted:They should establish that that's just a period all Spider heroes go through. I could be misremembering, but I don't think you're far off as to what they actually ended up doing at one point or another.
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Aug 30, 2020 13:25
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Peter's body died during the Other and then was recreated from a mass of spiders. It was... Something. Also one of the funniest parts of The Other was that while it was a crossover between three different titles, he only uses his stupid spiderblades in one of the three (Spectacular?). What an aggressively dumb power to give Peter Parker. I actually liked Scarlet Spider using them as it helped set him apart, but I also loved him leaving New York to go to Texas to do his own thing.
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Aug 30, 2020 13:27
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My favorite part of the other was Peter getting all these edgy 'cool' new powers then Tony Stark casually rolls in all 'Nah we ain't doing that here's a suit with better and more importantly less creepy versions of all of that mess'
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Aug 30, 2020 13:57
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My favourite bit about the Other is when the spiders eat Peter's carapace or whatever and form into that lady-spider-thing and it tells him that actually, there's another completely seperate spider-deity that's pissed off at him and wants him dead. Like, introducing one spider-god was just not enough.
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Aug 30, 2020 14:00
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Lord_Hambrose posted:Peter's body died during the Other and then was recreated from a mass of spiders. It was... Something. I remember in the part of The Other Peter David was writing Peter popped his spiderblades (spiderblades, spiderblades, radioactive spiderblades) and it was something like, "Whoa, blades now? Oh, well! Go with the flow!" The PAD Guy might have been very checked out writing that issue.
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Aug 30, 2020 14:25
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Dawgstar posted:I remember in the part of The Other Peter David was writing Peter popped his spiderblades (spiderblades, spiderblades, radioactive spiderblades) and it was something like, "Whoa, blades now? Oh, well! Go with the flow!" The PAD Guy might have been very checked out writing that issue. He was hired to write the new ongoing and if I recall he'd turned in his scripts for issues 1-3 and then they turned around and lumped the book into the Other crossover.
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Aug 30, 2020 14:41
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Lord_Hambrose posted:Peter's body died during the Other and then was recreated from a mass of spiders. It was... Something. Shifting all the Other bullshit onto Kaine was a surprisingly genius move.
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It's almost like they should have used the weird different stuff to introduce the new, different character instead of slapping it onto their old one and having a new character take up their role
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