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The Question IRL posted:There's lot's of good arguments about Recasting versus Continuing on with new characters.
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# ? Aug 30, 2020 13:28 |
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# ? May 25, 2024 14:12 |
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You’re insane if you think Disney would pass on the economics of Black Panther 2. Second, society just loving deserves it. BP sent shockwaves and was monumental for black super heroes. Look at how viral “Wakanda forever” was, it would be a slap in the face to everything they built culturally to stop it. The Shuri transition seems easy but it sucks because it removes a black hero from the roster. Obviously it’s a complicated situation but kids of all races deserve to have a Black Panther.
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# ? Aug 30, 2020 14:29 |
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Yeah I was already curious as to what the power structures of Wakanda were going to be like 5 years after the King (who was also the spiritual protector) and Princess dissapeared. Like secession works by combat so in theory leadership has long been transferred to another tribe but the Black Panther mantle was specific to T'Challa's tribe and with no herb and no heir there couldn't be a direct line to a new Panther in their absence. Maybe Nakia would have done something different and become the new protector. Maybe Wakanda went full outreach to help with the worldwide effects of the snap. I wish they would have at least squeezed a line in acknowledging Wakanda's role, maybe instead of vague earthquake references. Even before this tragedy we were potentially walking into a story where T'Challa had been replaced in one or both titles.
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# ? Aug 30, 2020 14:55 |
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Didn't even think about that that's a good point
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# ? Aug 30, 2020 15:02 |
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Sgt. Politeness posted:Yeah I was already curious as to what the power structures of Wakanda were going to be like 5 years after the King (who was also the spiritual protector) and Princess dissapeared. Like secession works by combat so in theory leadership has long been transferred to another tribe but the Black Panther mantle was specific to T'Challa's tribe and with no herb and no heir there couldn't be a direct line to a new Panther in their absence. Maybe Nakia would have done something different and become the new protector. Maybe Wakanda went full outreach to help with the worldwide effects of the snap. I wish they would have at least squeezed a line in acknowledging Wakanda's role, maybe instead of vague earthquake references. Or if not Nakia, M'Baku who perhaps was trying to continue things like T'Challa would in M'Baku's own unique fashion. Also it's never wrong when Winston Duke gets a paycheck.
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# ? Aug 30, 2020 15:12 |
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So like...does someone at some point stop Illyana or call her out? Does the movie in any way decide to tackle that? Maybe I don't get Magik, but it's striking me as odd for a Russian woman to be prejudice against Native Americans.
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# ? Aug 30, 2020 16:07 |
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SonicRulez posted:So like...does someone at some point stop Illyana or call her out? Does the movie in any way decide to tackle that? Maybe I don't get Magik, but it's striking me as odd for a Russian woman to be prejudice against Native Americans. Yeah, who's ever heard of a prejudiced russian?
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# ? Aug 30, 2020 16:40 |
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I was willing to let the comment on Native Americans slide when I was still under the impression that it was a one-off thing, but seeing that it's a running "gag" is a little displeasing. Doubly so in light of the director's comments on racism in Brazil.
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# ? Aug 30, 2020 17:19 |
site posted:I really don't see a scene in which mbaku beats the crap out of Shuri to take the mantle of BP from her winning over audiences tbh. Why would they fight over it, Shuri didn't want that job in the first place.
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# ? Aug 30, 2020 17:57 |
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I know by infinity war there is at the least a truce between tchalla and mbaku but mbaku is a traditionalist who already has a beef with Shuri specifically in BP so he doesn't strike me as one to just accept the role being given like that
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# ? Aug 30, 2020 18:17 |
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site posted:he doesn't strike me as one to just accept the role being given like that
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# ? Aug 30, 2020 18:29 |
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You're not wrong, but I can easily imagine between killmonger and everybody getting dusted a reactionary like mbaku would grip even tighter to tradition. Hell for all I know he might even be king now already. Everything up in the air now
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# ? Aug 30, 2020 18:33 |
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I kind of felt his second-half scenes in BP were kind of takin the piss on him being an out of touch diehard (lol jk we're vegan, I saved your king btw). Maybe that's just cuz the dude is cool
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# ? Aug 30, 2020 18:37 |
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Yeah by the end he does have a bit of a goofy cousin vibe to him, but at the outset when he challenges tchalla for the crown he calls out wakandas drifting from tradition and specifically Shuri and her flaunting of it in her developing technological advances that did not get any resolution in the film. So that's what I'm basing my original post on
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# ? Aug 30, 2020 18:42 |
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ABC is running Black Panther commercial-free tonight, if anyone wants to argue if it's a CIA psyop or not with fresh eyes.
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# ? Aug 30, 2020 18:54 |
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SonicRulez posted:So like...does someone at some point stop Illyana or call her out? Does the movie in any way decide to tackle that? Maybe I don't get Magik, but it's striking me as odd for a Russian woman to be prejudice against Native Americans. Yeah. Like right after the comment about the buffalo wings, Dani has her stand up to the bully moment, where she gets in Illyana’s face, and tells her how pathetic and immature her insults are. Illyana isn’t a very nice person, and is also trying to antagonize Dani into using her power that nobody, even Dani, knows what it is.
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# ? Aug 30, 2020 19:06 |
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a day later, my gut feeling is still that Marvel Studios won’t recast. No particularly strong feelings on whether they should or shouldn’t though
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# ? Aug 30, 2020 19:51 |
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Open Marriage Night posted:Yeah. Like right after the comment about the buffalo wings, Dani has her stand up to the bully moment, where she gets in Illyana’s face, and tells her how pathetic and immature her insults are. To add to this, while it's very much a movie that takes place in the X-Men universe, the plot is more comparable to Avengers Academy. The kids are led to believe that their therapy will lead them to join Xavier's school, but it turns out they're being prepared as villains for the Essex Corporation. While the other four have all had traumatic situations when their powers first kicked in that could be exploited, Illyana comes off as straight-up evil, with her files basically treating her as valedictorian. She freely admits to killing people and stuff. She eventually becomes better, but for the first half of the movie, she's straight-up awful and is supposed to be.
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# ? Aug 30, 2020 20:12 |
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Open Marriage Night posted:Yeah. Like right after the comment about the buffalo wings, Dani has her stand up to the bully moment, where she gets in Illyana’s face, and tells her how pathetic and immature her insults are. Sam also steps up but Dani cuts him off to do this.
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# ? Aug 30, 2020 20:15 |
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Endless Mike posted:ABC is running Black Panther commercial-free tonight, if anyone wants to argue if it's a CIA psyop or not with fresh eyes. People were not capable of having that particular discussion here even before Bosemans untimely passing without meltdowns, I certainly do not have any faith in them being able to have that now. Also maybe not the best time for that particular discussion, yeah? McCloud fucked around with this message at 20:30 on Aug 30, 2020 |
# ? Aug 30, 2020 20:28 |
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The joke is that no one actually wants to have that conversation and also that it is an extremely inappropriate time to have it anyway
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# ? Aug 30, 2020 20:29 |
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Arist posted:The joke is that no one actually wants to have that conversation and also that it is an extremely inappropriate time to have it anyway Yes, and that was my way of saying that making passive aggressive remarks like that serve no purpose and people should perhaps shut up about it.
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# ? Aug 30, 2020 20:36 |
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Gonna DVR it so I can go through one frame at a time and find all the blue lives matter subliminal messaging Disney added
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# ? Aug 30, 2020 20:40 |
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McCloud posted:people should perhaps shut up about it. Hey guys, did you know that Spiderverse is actually about *~consumerist branding~* and the PoC main character only becomes a person after becoming marketable himself with DayGlo SpiderPunch Action?
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# ? Aug 30, 2020 20:44 |
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Ryan Coogler posted:Ryan Coogler on Chadwick Boseman: Christ, Coogler had no idea. Boseman was tough as hell.
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# ? Aug 30, 2020 21:16 |
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site posted:Gonna DVR it so I can go through one frame at a time and find all the blue lives matter subliminal messaging Disney added AIC EHT NIOJ
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# ? Aug 30, 2020 21:18 |
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FilthyImp posted:True, true. lol
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# ? Aug 30, 2020 21:26 |
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FilthyImp posted:True, true. Nah, its actually about how people are afraid of the hadron collider!
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# ? Aug 30, 2020 21:52 |
It's about a verse made of spiders.
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# ? Aug 30, 2020 22:15 |
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Unlike a verse about spiders
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# ? Aug 31, 2020 00:20 |
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JordanKai posted:I was willing to let the comment on Native Americans slide when I was still under the impression that it was a one-off thing, but seeing that it's a running "gag" is a little displeasing. Doubly so in light of the director's comments on racism in Brazil. The movie opens and closes with a voiceover that is literally the "two wolves inside you" Facebook meme. So much respect for Native culture.
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# ? Aug 31, 2020 00:25 |
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Retro Futurist posted:Christ, Coogler had no idea. That's really shocking.
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# ? Aug 31, 2020 01:02 |
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Rewatching The Avengers, and man Thanos' involvement makes less sense here than in Ultron. He hands Loki the mind stone and sends him to invade earth to take the tesseract (presumably he also knows the time stone is there), but the entire plot is based around Loki powering the tesseract up enough to pull the Chitauri army through, and there's just no reason to believe he can't just roll up and do it himself anyways. Space travel in the later movies shows it to be nothing, and even if it took him a while he's not really in a rush at any point anyways.
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# ? Aug 31, 2020 01:04 |
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I interpret it less as Thanos not being able to do it and more of him delegating responsibilities the same as he did with Ronan in Guardians of the Galaxy. He just sent a bunch of people out on the job and they all hosed up and/or went into business for themselves so he had to resolve to just take care of it himself. Maybe at that time he was locating some of the other Stones or something Infinity Stone unrelated. Part of the entire Infinity Saga seems to be that all our heroes inadvertently "woke" the Stones so Thanos could finally locate them all and collect them. But its been awhile since I watched the older ones so I haven't tried to connect the whole story. STAC Goat fucked around with this message at 01:13 on Aug 31, 2020 |
# ? Aug 31, 2020 01:10 |
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Retro Futurist posted:Rewatching The Avengers, and man Thanos' involvement makes less sense here than in Ultron.
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# ? Aug 31, 2020 01:11 |
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Retro Futurist posted:Rewatching The Avengers, and man Thanos' involvement makes less sense here than in Ultron. It makes sense when you consider that Asgard is still at full strength, and so is Ego. Both things that could absolutely gently caress him up if it becomes obvious that he wants to get all seven stones. But really they just hadn’t thought through where the story was going yet.
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# ? Aug 31, 2020 01:12 |
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I think it was that they just hadn't planned on either of those items as containers of infinity gems during phase 1
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# ? Aug 31, 2020 01:12 |
The Russos are pretty open about the fact that no one knew exactly what they were going to do with Thanos until they sat down and wrote infinity war. They just knew they wanted to use him at some point.
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# ? Aug 31, 2020 01:13 |
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Doesn't Avengers end with Thanos going "I'll do it myself?" and grabbing the Gauntlet? So I think they very much did know they were dealing with Infinity Stones at that time. But they certainly didn't have the full picture worked out yet.
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# ? Aug 31, 2020 01:14 |
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STAC Goat posted:Doesn't Avengers end with Thanos going "I'll do it myself?" and grabbing the Gauntlet? So I think they very much did know they were dealing with Infinity Stones at that time. Avengers ends with him talking about courting death. Ultron ends with him saying "I'll do it myself", at which point he gets another army, another group of minions and almost immediately begins delegating.
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# ? Aug 31, 2020 01:15 |