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harperdc
Jul 24, 2007

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Just kinda the same poo poo everyone else is doing; demanding younger generations spend more money they don't have, get jobs when no one's hiring and have more babies when they can't even move out of their parents' house. And in general assuming that problems aren't a thing that's ever going to exist again.

In brief: the number of ‘permanent’ positions is getting lower, and they’re suffering from the same wage depression the U.S. is; contract jobs have grown majorly, and they’re paid even worse. So for younger generations, there’s less security and you’re living more paycheck-to-paycheck.

There are actually still a surplus of jobs, but Japanese firms also bitch and moan about not being able to fill them. Because the job pool isn’t a monolith of bright 22-year-old Todai kids.

All that Abenomics did was “money printer go brrrrrrr” which allowed big companies to repatriate overseas profits at even higher gains, but meant gently caress all for those living and working in Japan. Guess what big companies did with all those on-paper profits!

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Flayer
Sep 13, 2003

by Fluffdaddy
Buglord
From an outsider's perspective since Japan's population skews older on average than most you'd expect a more conservative voting tendency. Allied with that fact that one party has been in power for 90%+ of the time and there's a ton of inertia to shift there. I wouldn't be surprised if many younger people don't even vote due to the perceived lack of impact.

Sauzer
Jan 31, 2006
Some Sort of Guy

Flayer posted:

I wouldn't be surprised if many younger people don't even vote due to the perceived lack of impact.
I couldn't immediately find the 2017 results, but for the 2014 election 68% of voters in their 60s participated, versus 32% of voters in their 20s. That is stark, but it's also not out of line with elections in other countries.

harperdc
Jul 24, 2007

Flayer posted:

From an outsider's perspective since Japan's population skews older on average than most you'd expect a more conservative voting tendency. Allied with that fact that one party has been in power for 90%+ of the time and there's a ton of inertia to shift there. I wouldn't be surprised if many younger people don't even vote due to the perceived lack of impact.

Ding!

and add in that the major metro areas are disproportionately under-represented by the proportion of seats, and you have a situation where few young people bother to vote.

Charles 2 of Spain
Nov 7, 2017

Younger voters also tend to favour the LDP.

Sauzer
Jan 31, 2006
Some Sort of Guy
The apportionment issue exists, but it's not as bad as it used to be. The problem with tweaking the map to fix it is that the rural prefectures keep hemorrhaging population, so it rapidly gets out of balance again. As long as people consider it important for each prefecture to have its own councillor, I don't see how you get around it, at least as far as the upper house.

Besides, the LDP does just fine in suburban and urban areas too because of the divided opposition. Reallocation won't solve that more fundamental issue (full PR might but lol).

Sauzer fucked around with this message at 14:43 on Aug 31, 2020

Shammypants
May 25, 2004

Let me tell you about true luxury.

Charles 2 of Spain posted:

Younger voters also tend to favour the LDP.

There was a good interview series from I think NPR, comparing younger voters in Japan to the US. Younger people in the US are change focused and Japanese youths were completely disinterested in change if it couldn't be actualized quickly into real benefits for them. That's a bit sad because sometimes change takes time, but it is what it is.

Spacewolf
May 19, 2014
This is the weirdest tweet for a profile I've seen in a while. "Suga is iron-willed. Except pancakes."

https://twitter.com/NAR/status/1300583194044043264

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
So the TWO WORKING-DINNERS include a meeting inside iHop?

true.spoon
Jun 7, 2012

Spacewolf posted:

This is the weirdest tweet for a profile I've seen in a while. "Suga is iron-willed. Except pancakes."

https://twitter.com/NAR/status/1300583194044043264
Btw if you want to see just how much of a little poo poo Suga is I recommend the documentary I: Documentary of the Journalist about the journalist Isoko Mochizuki.

Shammypants
May 25, 2004

Let me tell you about true luxury.

That's a translation error, he actually eats 200 pancakes a day

Ardennes
May 12, 2002
So he was also affiliated with Nippon Kaigi, so is still very much apart of the far-right nutball "branch" of the LDP.

Sauzer
Jan 31, 2006
Some Sort of Guy

Ardennes posted:

So he was also affiliated with Nippon Kaigi, so is still very much apart of the far-right nutball "branch" of the LDP.
Both Kishida (the "moderate") and Ishiba are reportedly members too.

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

Sauzer posted:

Both Kishida (the "moderate") and Ishiba are reportedly members too.

Yeah, it isn't that Nippon Kaigi isn't "that bad," but the LDP is just embracing its roots. Also, it seems like Abe's economic policies (which nowhere) were Suga's to begin with, empty monetary stimulus with no significant changes on the horizon.

BornAPoorBlkChild
Sep 24, 2012

Spacewolf posted:

This is the weirdest tweet for a profile I've seen in a while. "Suga is iron-willed. Except pancakes."

https://twitter.com/NAR/status/1300583194044043264

Yoshihide Suge Just Wants To Live A Quiet Life

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
I was watching a Taiwanese political talking head show. They speculated that Abe hung it up at this particular time was not for his health. Abe probably got pressured by Trump to say nasty words to China (like what Australia and Taiwan are doing now) and Abe didn't want to jeopardize the economy to do it so he used his health to get the hell out of the way.

The Japanese specialist also predicted Abe's right hand man Yoshihide Suga 菅 義偉 will be the next PM, not the wildly popular Ishiba Shigeru. If he gets I am going to call him the "Sugar Man".

stephenthinkpad fucked around with this message at 18:53 on Sep 2, 2020

Sauzer
Jan 31, 2006
Some Sort of Guy
Fresh off his 2.9% performance in the Tokyo governor's race, Makoto "kill all the koreans" Sakurai says he's running for the Diet!

e: he also looks like one half of a manzai duo

Sauzer fucked around with this message at 02:10 on Sep 3, 2020

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

Sauzer posted:

Fresh off his 2.9% performance in the Tokyo governor's race, Makoto "kill all the koreans" Sakurai says he's running for the Diet!

e: he also looks like one half of a manzai duo

That shitfuck? I wish that loving cockroach would just gently caress off.

Sauzer
Jan 31, 2006
Some Sort of Guy

Mr. Fix It
Oct 26, 2000

💀ayyy💀



translation of character ishiba is standing in front of: fool

JosefStalinator
Oct 9, 2007

Come Tbilisi if you want to live.




Grimey Drawer

Mr. Fix It posted:

translation of character ishiba is standing in front of: fool

Baka mitai~

Doc V
Mar 20, 2010

somebody tell him not to sign his photo ops

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

How is Covid doing in Japan six months in?

Charles 2 of Spain
Nov 7, 2017

Second wave was pretty bad, cases are starting to come down now but there's still not enough testing so virus eradication is basically impossible.

Rochallor
Apr 23, 2010

ふっっっっっっっっっっっっck
Cases are falling slightly more quickly than testing is, so... good??? In fairness, you basically can't get tested without sustained covid symptoms or having been in contact with a confirmed case, so a drop in testing does mean fewer people are meeting those criteria. The government's done gently caress all though.

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

When do we know whom the LDP brass picked as Abe's successor?

harperdc
Jul 24, 2007

Grouchio posted:

When do we know whom the LDP brass picked as Abe's successor?

When the white smoke comes out of Tokyo Tower.

(Not sure when it’ll honestly come, but likely will see rumors of the announcement online before the presser is carried on TV)

Charles 2 of Spain
Nov 7, 2017

Rochallor posted:

The government's done gently caress all though.
Yeah agreed, cases being down is a behavioural change rather than any policy imo.

Sauzer
Jan 31, 2006
Some Sort of Guy

Grouchio posted:

When do we know whom the LDP brass picked as Abe's successor?
The party president election is on the 14th.

Weatherman
Jul 30, 2003

WARBLEKLONK
remember the democratic party?

it's back

in constitutional democratic form

Sauzer
Jan 31, 2006
Some Sort of Guy

Weatherman posted:

remember the democratic party?

it's back

in constitutional democratic form
Time to reset the big sign outside the diet that says "0 days since Ozawa formed/joined a party." We've got a good feeling about this one folks


e: Come on Wikipedia, keep up!

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

Guess we'll know the election results by tonight EST. Would it be a long-term boon if the next PM is less competent at keeping house than Abe?

Mr. Fix It
Oct 26, 2000

💀ayyy💀


Grouchio posted:

Guess we'll know the election results by tonight EST. Would it be a long-term boon if the next PM is less competent at keeping house than Abe?

They're scheduled to announce the results at around 15:30 local time, so 02:30 EDT. I would hope that a scandal or two would be enough for the opposition to topple Suga and the LDP, but even back when LDP PMs were resigning annually it took two resignations and another year for them to lose power.

MegaZeroX
Dec 11, 2013

"I'm Jack Frost, ho! Nice to meet ya, hee ho!"



Well it is officially Suga.

harperdc
Jul 24, 2007

おめでとう to Uncle Reiwa himself.

Mr. Fix It
Oct 26, 2000

💀ayyy💀


*taps mic*

...

*clears throat*

...

Suga Daddy

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

Does this sound about right for Suga Daddy?

ToxicAcne
May 25, 2014
What's the state of the Japanese left by the way? It's probably my North American bias but it seems really off to not have a younger generation that is more left wing, especially in a country where the situation for young people is pretty dire.

Mr. Fix It
Oct 26, 2000

💀ayyy💀



TW: Jake Adelstein


but yeah, seems about right in that he's just gonna be the same as Abe.

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Ardennes
May 12, 2002

ToxicAcne posted:

What's the state of the Japanese left by the way? It's probably my North American bias but it seems really off to not have a younger generation that is more left wing, especially in a country where the situation for young people is pretty dire.

Pretty pitiful, the center-left (CDP) is polling around 7% of the vote and the Communists are getting around 4% (they will probably improve a bit in election results). I would imagine when you get down to it young Japanese people are probably more left-wing but also (I imagine) pretty apathetic because it doesn't seem like anything will actually change since the LDP still has enough of their core supporters to stay in power indefinitely.

Remember that in 2017, turnout was 53% (sounds familiar?) and the LDP only got 33% of it (and 61% of the seats). The way the LDP are going they will continue to hold power and probably have use more and more openly undemocratic methods to hold power as their supporters slowly die off (also luckily for them there isn't enough young people any more to really sway things).

Ardennes fucked around with this message at 02:36 on Sep 16, 2020

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