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https://www.twitch.tv/legendxkiller I have no idea what date they've reached on this stream of old Nitros, but Ric Flair is the leader of a group called... the Magnificent Seven? And he's protecting Rick Steiner from Dustin Rhodes.... for reasons? And Ernest The Cat Miller is the most over guy on the show because he said he's going to re-instate his foot in Flair's rear end? Nash just proposed that Flair doesn't have all his bases covered. Flair claimed that he has all six bases covered. Animal-Mother fucked around with this message at 04:04 on Aug 30, 2020 |
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Animal-Mother posted:https://www.twitch.tv/legendxkiller Sounds like February 2001.
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MassRafTer posted:Sounds like February 2001. I forget what happened with Scott Hall towards the end of WCW. Was he sent home for drinking? Did he just stop showing up?
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Animal-Mother posted:I forget what happened with Scott Hall towards the end of WCW. Was he sent home for drinking? Did he just stop showing up? Scott majorly hosed up on (or prior to) a European tour in February of 2000. WCW wanted to suspend or fire him but they wanted him to do the Superbrawl 2000 PPV first. I forget what he did but it had to be alcohol related. But he got badly injured so they couldn't fire him like they wanted and had to wait until August to do so.
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I can't remember if it happened under Russo or not but at one point they decided to turn Hall's alcoholism into an angle.
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MassRafTer posted:Scott majorly hosed up on (or prior to) a European tour in February of 2000. WCW wanted to suspend or fire him but they wanted him to do the Superbrawl 2000 PPV first. I forget what he did but it had to be alcohol related. I believe it was getting into a public fight with his GF
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From the February 21, 2000 Observerquote:The Hall story has gotten completely ridiculous. Hall, who, despite his track record was being pushed for the main event on the 2/20 PPV show as a three-way title match with Sid Vicious and Jeff Jarrett, appeared while getting on the plane to Germany that he hadn't slept in days (he had reportedly told other wrestlers the same story), got sick on the plane going over and was in no condition to perform the first night of the tour. Still, he did wrestle, and as punishment, on 2/11 in Hamburg was asked to put over David Finlay, which he did. He got wins over Finlay the next two nights but his condition wasn't described as being much better. There were incidents every night at bars regarding Hall challenging people to fights and even throwing cake at his girlfriend and moaning to many wrestlers about the last break-up of his marriage. As he went to the airport to fly home with the rest of the crew, his conditioned has worsened to the point the authorities wouldn't allow him on the plane. Terry Taylor, who apparently had trouble with him all weekend, tried to intervene, but with no success, in getting the authorities to just allow him on the plane to fly to New York for Nitro. Because of his condition, he missed the Nitro show at the Nassau Coliseum, where he was supposed to be in a major angle to set up the three-way, which led to the booking of a Jarrett-Vicious singles match on the show for the U.S. title and Jarrett winning.
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Hall being drunk as an angle happened in '98 I think, but they were still making references to him well into 2000 even when he hadn't been on TV for months. I don't know why exactly, maybe Nash asked for a shout out, or they just wanted to wring all they could from his contract, or something else entirely?
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About what time period was it where Hall and Nash were supposed to feud and they were bullshitting injuries so they never had put each other over? Not trying to screw each other but agreeing to just not wrestle each other.
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Hedgehog Pie posted:Hall being drunk as an angle happened in '98 I think, but they were still making references to him well into 2000 even when he hadn't been on TV for months. I don't know why exactly, maybe Nash asked for a shout out, or they just wanted to wring all they could from his contract, or something else entirely? By late 2000 Nash had been told to stop referencing Hall on air and basically ignored it.
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mearn posted:From the February 21, 2000 Observer Love that hitting the Racist Rooster with the guitar by Hall was a bridge too far but then they... end up having him get hit with the guitar by Jarrett. WCW was too perfect for this sin cursed world.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:I believe it was getting into a public fight with his GF who was also niece of a WCW VP I think
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MassRafTer posted:By late 2000 Nash had been told to stop referencing Hall on air and basically ignored it. This led to that one segment where it was Nash and I think DDP having a conversation and mentioning Hall's name so often that they just muted most of the audio, but left in the swinging lamp and the sound of a banging drum instead of just cutting it entirely.
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Better Than You posted:I can't remember if it happened under Russo or not but at one point they decided to turn Hall's alcoholism into an angle. Anyway, the natural angle of him feuding with Nash waited three PPVs, and that's when Hall started coming to the ring drunk during the build-up to his match with Nash, and kept yelling things like "WHERE WERE YOU WHEN MY LIFE FELL APART!?" Hall "won" the Halloween Havoc match because Nash beat the poo poo out of him and left him laying in the middle of the ring for what theoretically could've been a decisive, clean win, but having proved his point, he left without pinning Scott. It was a weird angle, but the build to that show had this fuckin' awesome angle where the Wolfpac hosed up nWo Hollywood's limo and then brawled with them through the show and then Sting beat the gently caress out of Bret Hart.
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At the time as a little kid my spirit was crushed by attending it, but now I'm glad I went to Fall Brawl '98. I got to witness one of the worst PPVs of all time and Scott Hall's legendary abdominal stretch on Konnan where Vincent handed him a beer
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TheKingslayer posted:The 49ers match is on the stream right now. Could you (or someone) please link the stream again tia
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titties posted:Could you (or someone) please link the stream again tia https://www.twitch.tv/legendxkiller
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just finished You Cannot Kill David Arquette - It was really enjoyable for the most part. The Mexican street wrestling thing is so awesome and the Nick Cage stuff is pretty brutal to watch. RIP Jungleboy's dad is what got me the most 
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You ever wonder if Bischoff ever thought about the future when he was riding high in 97? Like 'oh hey all the guys who are propping this company up are old and maybe if I want this company to last 10 years I'm going to have to figure a life post-them.' Probably not but do you think he was purely myopic or if he saw the corporate discord and figured it was better if he just treated WCW as a smash-and-grab operation? One thing's for sure; we'll never get the truth from him.
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I bet he never thought he was going to be doing Podcasts to make a living after his WCW's high's that's for sure. but yea he could have been the new Vince had he not gone mad with getting himself over (and Hogan and his nWo buddies booking poo poo). I mean generally speaking - the nWo is probably the most known wrestling "stable" in the world (with DX second, Bullet Club third (?)). He had all the potential and star performers there, but he also had Ego and Vince Russo. If he thought of it as a pure-business and not a "whee I get to spend a billionaires money, he won't care how much i spend! 5 million for Randy Savage's brother! and getting involved onscreen like he's Vince, he could have definitely become a TV exec guy - he was running like what 6-7 hours of live tv weekly for them (plus monthly PPV's, who knows if Turner got a cut of that), if he chose that route instead of being onscreen famous, he could be running TNT or something while owning all the WWE/WCW wrestling libraries for their new streaming service TNT!+!+! , but turned out he's a carny at heart - so I think for sure it was a smash-and-grab. Instead of expanding into the nWo into original/wolfpack/latino/whatever else and instead trimmed people in/out slowly between Original/Wolfpack (Without loving Diesel booking), it could have run a good course (especially if they get rid of Hogan since Vince would probably be offering him truckloads of money to get him back at this point - I'm just assuming they've been winning the Monday Night Wars for a while at this point) and Focused more on their amazing Talents (Most of their Cruiserweights - Eddie/Benoit/Lance/Dean) and their good main eventers (Vader/Flair/Sting/David Arquette) - Vader vs Benoit could have been amazing! I'm sure he thinks back in hindsight and gets sad knowing what could have been, I mean he used to swing with Kim Page  e: just read his Wiki, and he definitely didn't think about the future imo, he's a classic hustler quote:Before getting into professional wrestling, Bischoff had a number of occupations. He acted in a training video for bank employees regarding fair lending practices, owned a successful landscape construction company, worked as a veterinary assistant, competed as a professional kickboxer, and ran a butcher shop, where he sold meat via van delivery. I'm also getting a personal grudge with Vince not hiring played some role with this in some way, and man did he ride Hulk's coat tails to the end Hirez fucked around with this message at 19:15 on Sep 1, 2020 |
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I'm somewhat ashamed to say that I actually quite liked Easy E as Raw GM, so I wouldn't say I would've preferred it if he had just stayed off-screen, but hustler is the ideal way to describe him I think. He probably didn't like being hired just so he could be continuously humiliated on live TV, but it was a gig that let him try his hand at various other schemes.
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Why be ashamed of enjoying Bischoff as a character? He's a great, natural heel, good on the mic and has a lot of charisma. In other news though, listening to Retro shows again, why didn't Sean O'Haire ever become a big star? Also I noted earlier on how Bryan and friends hated Duggan. Man did they change their tune in 2000. Jim Duggan in 2000 was the best babyface in WCW. NikkolasKing fucked around with this message at 20:24 on Sep 1, 2020 |
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NikkolasKing posted:Why be ashamed of enjoying Bischoff as a character? He's a great, natural heel, good on the mic and has a lot of charisma. O'Haire was a tall guy who could work but had little else going for him in a promotion with Brock Lesnar, guy who was tall, was a far better worker, and had miles more presence.
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NikkolasKing posted:Why be ashamed of enjoying Bischoff as a character? He's a great, natural heel, good on the mic and has a lot of charisma. O'Haire was the victim of a start and stop push. He wasn't their guy to begin with so when the Devil's Advocate thing stalled he was done. After that his life spiraled into drug addiction and domestic violence.
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Hirez posted:but yea he could have been the new Vince had he not gone mad with getting himself over (and Hogan and his nWo buddies booking poo poo). I mean generally speaking - the nWo is probably the most known wrestling "stable" in the world (with DX second, Bullet Club third (?)). He had all the potential and star performers there, but he also had Ego and Vince Russo. If he thought of it as a pure-business and not a "whee I get to spend a billionaires money, he won't care how much i spend! 5 million for Randy Savage's brother! and getting involved onscreen like he's Vince, he could have definitely become a TV exec guy - he was running like what 6-7 hours of live tv weekly for them (plus monthly PPV's, who knows if Turner got a cut of that), if he chose that route instead of being onscreen famous, he could be running TNT or something while owning all the WWE/WCW wrestling libraries for their new streaming service TNT!+!+! , but turned out he's a carny at heart - so I think for sure it was a smash-and-grab.
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NikkolasKing posted:Why be ashamed of enjoying Bischoff as a character? He's a great, natural heel, good on the mic and has a lot of charisma. I thought he was good overall, but he was also saddled with doing bits like the Redneck Triathlon with a retired Stone Cold and being a perv in the Divas Search. Maybe I phrased it wrong; I'm actually somewhat ashamed to have been a fan of WWE in the early 2000s.
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Bischoff as Hogan's toadie is one of the all time great bit roles. It may have hurt the company in the long run if being on TV made him want to build up the nWo even bigger and longer than its shelf life, but he was tremendous.
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Eric Bischoff as a character was good, but like everything else concerning the nWo there was too much for too long to the exclusion of other things that should have gotten screen time.
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I often wonder how many of Bischoff's problems could've been caused by his alcohol consumption.
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Halloween Jack posted:It wasn't a smash-and-grab, he just didn't know when to stop throwing good money after bad. He kept trying to beat Vince in the ratings and he kept trying to make the nWo happen after it had run its course. He definitely got way too involved as an onscreen character, but if it had been a smash-and-grab, he would've been conniving more ways to pay himself instead of Master P. Also he wouldn't have done everything he could to buy WCW himself when the time came. He would have had investors to be beholden to, no more Turner billions to waste. Whatever else you can say about him, he definitely seemed to consider WCW his baby.
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I'm trying to imagine Hogan, face or heel, returning to WWF in the late nineties. Certainly would've been interesting.
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Hirez posted:Scott Baio Is 46...and Pregnant i got excited for a second but i was thinking it was the quantum leap guy
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Hedgehog Pie posted:I'm somewhat ashamed to say that I actually quite liked Easy E as Raw GM, so I wouldn't say I would've preferred it if he had just stayed off-screen, but hustler is the ideal way to describe him I think. When he first came back with the leather jacket and dyed his hair black and was overwhelmingly unfair to the faces he sucked. But after a while he changed to more of an actual businessman and wearing suits and played everything more down the middle not just an evil caricature heel it was better
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Admiral Joeslop posted:I'm trying to imagine Hogan, face or heel, returning to WWF in the late nineties. Certainly would've been interesting. I wanna see the alternate universe version of WrestleMania 2000 where Hogan replaced Big Show in the fatal-four way and pinned everyone including the McMahons
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Admiral Joeslop posted:I'm trying to imagine Hogan, face or heel, returning to WWF in the late nineties. Certainly would've been interesting.
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Would Austin have lost his poo poo over that, or am I exaggerating their heat?
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There’s no loving way Vince would have let the Hulkster pull any poo poo after WM14. Austin was the man and him vs the rock was printing money. Hogan’s run in 03-04 was pretty good because he had to do whatever Vince said or go home and not get paid. My mind was blown when Brock beat him on smackdown. And I laughed a few years ago when I found out they Hogan he would get the win back on ppv, but then just told him plans changed. What would have been interesting is if Flair went to wwe when he got fired. We at least know he would have played ball and had no problem putting over guys as long as the checks cleared. Especially Austin, who he knew was a future main eventer back in wcw.
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Halloween Jack posted:Would Austin have lost his poo poo over that, or am I exaggerating their heat? Seems like everyone who was ex-WCW hated Hogan, but Austin especially.
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One could definitely argue that Bischoff was too scared of the guy who led him to the most professional success he ever enjoyed going to the competition. You could also argue he was too starstruck. Either way had he been able to separate business and personal life he might have been able to play a little hardball with Hogan. Unless he found Hogan faffing off to Hollywood to also be unacceptable. ChrisBTY fucked around with this message at 10:05 on Sep 2, 2020 |
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