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TheGreatEvilKing posted:Just saw the gay Trill DS9 episode and was surprised they got away with that in the 90s, drat. I remember that being sort if a big deal at the time. It was pretty hyped up. The ~  lesbian kiss~ that is, not the story.
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That story was really good for the first half and fell apart completely in the second half. It starts out as an adult parable about the allure and pitfalls of meeting and old flame and then changes the stakes into pointless sci-fi peril and some melodramatic plot about how they'll die if they get back together.
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Arglebargle III posted:That story was really good for the first half and fell apart completely in the second half. It starts out as an adult parable about the allure and pitfalls of meeting and old flame and then changes the stakes into pointless sci-fi peril and some melodramatic plot about how they'll die if they get back together. otoh that resonates
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Watched the pah wraith Keiko episode. It's real tense, she is so creepy. There is a bit of tonal dissonance with the Rom b-plot, because it is so heartwarming, and he is so wholesome, but maybe they were going for a contrast thing. Still a very enjoyable episode.
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Rosalind Chao did a really good job of playing an impersonated demon person, i agree. She seemed extremely powerful and Not Nice At All E: lol, as a kid when that came out i think the fact that i knew she was a teacher as a side job made her even more scary
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anyone know why patrick steward didnt want diana muldaur back? was on his list of demands for season 2
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No Luck Needed posted:anyone know why patrick steward didnt want diana muldaur back? was on his list of demands for season 2 She got paid more than him Also he was pissed about what had happened to McFadden
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I was high the other day and thinking about an almost throwaway line from Picard about the Federation, something like "We've learned to identify likely criminals at birth, and they are treated before they can offend." Super sketch and really ignores the material conditions that give rise to most criminality. Makes me wonder about Assigned Criminals At Birth But Reeducated people. Do they have all the same opportunities? Does that stick in their record if they apply for Star Fleet or to work in a phaser replo-factory?
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Aug 31, 2020 23:14
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If we accept the show at face value, then the Federation has removed all of the external influences that lead to criminality (and, in fact, may have removed some of the causal relationships e.g. private property) so really we're just talking about early intervention for sociopathy/psychopathy. I don't think there's any need to construct a dystopia when we're never shown that anyones' mental illness impedes their career - in fact, Barclay shows us that while some of the social stigma may still exist, Starfleet is very capable of recognizing that Barclay is an excellent engineer and a valuable member of the crew.
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Yeah, the implication could be that mostly sick people would do crime in earth/federation society, but the show demonstrates that this does not hold true as soon as you're in a more precarious environment such as being among the stars, on a colony or at starfleet academy. Possibly, the definition of "crime" is rather different here as well; is petty theft a crime in a post-scarcity society, or just anti-social behavior? A lot of things we might consider crime might be written off as or correctly diagnosed as acting out. The show also mentions that there's no prison, but rather enforced therapy. That's probably splitting hairs though.
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skasion posted:She got paid more than him She got paid more than the lead?!
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John Wick of Dogs posted:She got paid more than the lead?! Never heard that so don't know if it's true or not, but she was a well known actress beforehand. Similar to how Levar Burton was one of the biggest names at the start of TNG.
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Supposing it's true, Muldaur getting paid more than the lead for a part where she' s on screen for 5m an episode to be racist to Data is 1,000% a result of being old friends with Gene
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John Wick of Dogs posted:She got paid more than the lead?! Now that I look this up I can’t find a source that says exactly that. But she definitely did make more money than other members of the cast (unnamed) which contributed to the bad feeling around her.
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skasion posted:Now that I look this up I can’t find a source that says exactly that. But she definitely did make more money than other members of the cast (unnamed) which contributed to the bad feeling around her. Also the cue card thing, which people put up with if you're Marlon Brando and that's about it
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Zurui posted:If we accept the show at face value, then the Federation has removed all of the external influences that lead to criminality (and, in fact, may have removed some of the causal relationships e.g. private property) so really we're just talking about early intervention for sociopathy/psychopathy. I don't think there's any need to construct a dystopia when we're never shown that anyones' mental illness impedes their career - in fact, Barclay shows us that while some of the social stigma may still exist, Starfleet is very capable of recognizing that Barclay is an excellent engineer and a valuable member of the crew.
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We did see some of the criminally insane in Deep Space 9 (Jack stabbed his psychiatrist in the hand in his first scene) and they were still more or less treated like they were at summer camp.
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Vic Fontaine has the roni https://twitter.com/startrekeire/status/1300506286841303041
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Zurui posted:I don't think there's any need to construct a dystopia excuse me, we're discussing a space opera on the internet, we clearly need to find any excuse to make the depicted world a grotesque and disturbing place
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I figure Risa is actually super lame
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Ok Worf.
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Sash! posted:I figure Risa is actually super lame hahahhahah
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why is risa so special when every planet in the Federation is meant to be a fucktopia, anyway
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still annoyed this shot didn't have a payoff at the end of the episode
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If you end a holodeck program and you're sitting down, the chair should at least stay there until you get up.
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MikeJF posted:why is risa so special when every planet in the Federation is meant to be a fucktopia, anyway It’s the designated gently caress zone. The rest of the federation is cool with anything much in private but you cant just walk up to anyone and slip em the ole dick statue
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SardonicTyrant posted:If you end a holodeck program and you're sitting down, the chair should at least stay there until you get up. depends on the height of the chair and your physical uh... dimensions whether it would trigger the safety protocols
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thotsky posted:Watched the pah wraith Keiko episode. It's real tense, she is so creepy. There is a bit of tonal dissonance with the Rom b-plot, because it is so heartwarming, and he is so wholesome, but maybe they were going for a contrast thing. Still a very enjoyable episode. It's a real shame the Pah-Wraiths never had that level of menace in any of their other appearances, and just became cartoon demons.
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SardonicTyrant posted:I'm reminded of an episode of Voyager where for some reason they have to treat a dangerous criminal from the society of the week, and they notice his brain is abnormal in some way that made the guy super violent and they fix it. It's been quite a while, but wasn't he also a member of a minority that was incarcerated at a disproportionately high level, but when Voyager tries to intervene his buddies just use it as an opportunity to pull space crimes? Was this written by the "what if you accused someone of rape and ruined his life" guy?
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Cat Hatter posted:It's been quite a while, but wasn't he also a member of a minority that was incarcerated at a disproportionately high level, but when Voyager tries to intervene his buddies just use it as an opportunity to pull space crimes? Was this written by the "what if you accused someone of rape and ruined his life" guy? Yeah that episode was horrific in terms of messaging. Starts off as a “black people are locked up at higher rates than whites” allegory, and then veers off into “turns out they really are all criminals!” 
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Tighclops posted:hahahhahah Things I don't like to do on vacation: sit on a beach
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It turns out that predisposition for criminality can usually be cured by being put on the fast track to the admiralty.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Vic Fontaine has the roni drat Felix keeping us on our toes. Too poor taste? Sorry Jimmy, hang in there.
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MikeJF posted:still annoyed this shot didn't have a payoff at the end of the episode Absolute 
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Huh, neat, apparently when Matt Jeffries was designing the TOS bridge, the first attempt at all the console displays was to have touchscreens.quote:"For the displays, what I was after was a perfectly plain black panel that would light up when you touched a spot. But the lights were so strong that we didn't dare leave them on for more than a matter of seconds, or it would melt the unit under it!" In the end, the effect, envisioned as a film sandwiched between two pieces of glass and backlit, did not quite work out as well as Jefferies had intended, and he had to make do with a more static version for the computer readout displays and the overhead projection screens. So basically trying to make an Okudagram, but they didn't have the tech to pull it off in the 60s. Pity, that would've been some foresight. They also originally intended that the head-level screens above each console would be constantly animated with data and information displays instead of just the static images we got, but they had to cancel that idea because union rules said that every rear projector needed to have its own projectionist hired. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 15:13 on Sep 1, 2020 |
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A bit ago I was dwelling on LeVar Burton being under appreciated, in general, for a career & life spent doing amazing things for an entire planet Anyway, long story short, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUyrJ7P7gcA that audiobook is free on amazon prime right now and he and a lot of other great people helped voice it  i didnt really want to make a thread about this one particular grievance and didnt know anywhere else to post this where somebody might appreciate it
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Anyone else want to slingshot around the sun for a chance at this? https://twitter.com/alisonmartino/status/1300622921623244800?s=20
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Zurui posted:If we accept the show at face value, then the Federation has removed all of the external influences that lead to criminality (and, in fact, may have removed some of the causal relationships e.g. private property) so really we're just talking about early intervention for sociopathy/psychopathy. I don't think there's any need to construct a dystopia when we're never shown that anyones' mental illness impedes their career - in fact, Barclay shows us that while some of the social stigma may still exist, Starfleet is very capable of recognizing that Barclay is an excellent engineer and a valuable member of the crew. I'm still trying to figure out how Barclay passed the Starfleet Academy entrance exam psych eval. The Academy proctors made Wesley think he left someone to die, just for chance to enter Starfleet Academy.
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A comedy of errors where Barclay is tipped off by an upperclassman that he might get thrown a surprise exam Kobayashi Maru and if something super intense and scary happens, just assume it's a simulation. A bunch of actual crises occur on campus, and he greets and conquers each one with the decisive poise and assuredness of a holodeck power fantasy.
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