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Dewgy
Nov 10, 2005

~🚚special delivery~📦

Private Cumshoe posted:

Its appeal was being an NES game where the 2 player aspect wasn't just the 1 player aspect with it keeping track of you taking turns

Curious though, were there really any NES games with arcade counterparts that weren't dumbed down or crappier? I suppose there's the basic stuff like Donkey Kong and Bubble Bobble that was kind of the same but anything more complex than that seemed like it was always a shitshow in some respect

Castlevania was significantly better than Vampire Killer, though that’s maybe stretching the definition of “port” a bit.

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Manager Hoyden
Mar 5, 2020

Private Cumshoe posted:

Curious though, were there really any NES games with arcade counterparts that weren't dumbed down or crappier? I suppose there's the basic stuff like Donkey Kong and Bubble Bobble that was kind of the same but anything more complex than that seemed like it was always a shitshow in some respect

Castlevania, Contra, and Rampart come to mind.

Rockman Reserve
Oct 2, 2007

"Carbons? Purge? What are you talking about?!"

i haven’t played enough of the arcade version to honestly compare them but commando’s NES port holds up really well

SoR Blaze
Apr 12, 2006
The thing I really dislike about the TMNT arcade game is that it feels like your attacks aren't actually hitting the enemies so much as passing through them. Like you combo an enemy and he does a stunned animation but there's just no impact to it

burial
Sep 13, 2002

actually, that won't be necessary.
I feel I’ve maybe said this before, but my happiest NES memory is playing Battletoads at my friend’s house. Unless we were REALLY bored, we didn’t play it as intended though.

Instead, we’d go a screen or two into the first level - whichever one had a little hill you could jump up on and a spawn that would drop what we just called “the stick.” There we held pvp duels against one another with increasingly elabourate house rules about what tactics were or weren’t “cheap” and therefore illegal to perform (unless you were losing and wanted to be a little poo poo BEN.) For hours and hours and hours.


I guess my potentially unpopular opinion is that it was way more fun to play that way. Also I always insisted on being the yellow toad.

WILDTURKEY101
Mar 7, 2005

Look to your left. Look to your right. Only one of you is going to pass this course.
bubble bobble is good but when i play it im afraid that the music will get stuck in my head forever and drive me insane

Rockman Reserve
Oct 2, 2007

"Carbons? Purge? What are you talking about?!"

the best 2p beat em up on NES was river city ransom by such an insanely huge margin nothing else can really compare

WILDTURKEY101
Mar 7, 2005

Look to your left. Look to your right. Only one of you is going to pass this course.

food court bailiff posted:

the best 2p beat em up on NES was river city ransom by such an insanely huge margin nothing else can really compare

No doubt. Talk about a game that holds up. Now that I think about it, it has a lot in common with Yakuza. As much as a game that old can have.

Fur20
Nov 14, 2007

すご▞い!
君は働か░い
フ▙▓ズなんだね!

WILDTURKEY101 posted:

bubble bobble is good but when i play it im afraid that the music will get stuck in my head forever and drive me insane

look the bubble bobble music may be an earworm but i will take that over something out of drat ninja turtles 1 any day

WILDTURKEY101 posted:

No doubt. Talk about a game that holds up. Now that I think about it, it has a lot in common with Yakuza. As much as a game that old can have.

you burg, you go to the supermarket and buy some fuckin durians, you read books to learn how to flip a man on his head and then use him as a weapon... hell yeah rcr is yakuza's granddaddy

Dewgy
Nov 10, 2005

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The White Dragon posted:

you burg, you go to the supermarket and buy some fuckin durians, you read books to learn how to flip a man on his head and then use him as a weapon... hell yeah rcr is yakuza's granddaddy

Also at least for Yakuza 0, you punch people and money comes out.

Icochet
Mar 18, 2008

I have a very small TV. Don't make fun of it! Please don't shame it like that~

Grimey Drawer

WILDTURKEY101 posted:

bubble bobble is good but when i play it im afraid that the music will get stuck in my head forever and drive me insane

I played so much bubble bobble that when I try to hum or whistle an impromptu tune it almost immediately mutates into bubble bobble music

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Private Cumshoe posted:

what kind of party focuses on people doing extremely two person activities?

yeah gently caress you I know what charades is

People in functioning societies don't play charades as a two-player game.

is pepsi ok
Oct 23, 2002

food court bailiff posted:

the best 2p beat em up on NES was river city ransom by such an insanely huge margin nothing else can really compare

Double Dragon II was close. If it wasn't for the goddamn platforming in that game it would be a tough call.

Private Cumshoe
Feb 15, 2019

AAAAAAAGAGHAAHGGAH

3D Megadoodoo posted:

People in functioning societies don't play charades as a two-player game.

idk I thought you break into teams or w/e I don't play charades I'm not a Mormon

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Private Cumshoe posted:

idk haha I thought you break into teams like the book teaches us or w/e haha I don't play charades I'm not a Mormon haha

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

In Fallout 4 (with the robot DLC) you can have a pet (robot) that you can name Puppe following you around and helping you steal things, just like in Nethack. Ergo, Fallout 4 is a Rogue-like.

Bruegels Fuckbooks
Sep 14, 2004

Now, listen - I know the two of you are very different from each other in a lot of ways, but you have to understand that as far as Grandpa's concerned, you're both pieces of shit! Yeah. I can prove it mathematically.

Lodin posted:

This guys impressions of Wasteland 3, his first propper CRPG are fun.
https://kotaku.com/wasteland-3-from-the-perspective-of-a-wasteland-newcom-1844909984

"At every turn, I found myself sorely missing the overwatch feature from Gears Tactics and XCOM."

At the end he goes on a tangent about the player being able to call a jonsing junkie "poor little twitch-head."

I'm actually surprised that he doesn't mention the parrot that tells you you're so ugly even a blind camel wouldn't gently caress you.

After playing wasteland 3 from like 6ish to 2:30 in the morning, it turns out Wasteland 3 is pretty drat great and that reviewer is on crack.

I have no idea why that reviewer had problems with the stat system, why he thought the game was hard, or why he somehow thought Gears Tactics is better than Wasteland 3.

RPATDO_LAMD
Mar 22, 2013

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He thought the game was hard because he didn't understand any of the mechanics (or stop and take the time to read about them, I guess?)
like he admits having no idea how armor or the action economy worked. I haven't played Wasteland but if I had no idea about that stuff I'd look at the in-game help in or search online before resorting to "I have to turn the difficulty down because I have no idea how to defeat armored enemies and don't understand why they're shooting twice as many times per turn", or at least before writing the article.

Also for some reason the author appears to be terrified of friendly fire in a turn-based game where you control all the units on your team and decide exactly when they do and do not fire.

ilmucche
Mar 16, 2016

Bust a move 4 for playstation is probably the best multiplayer game ever made.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
I'm gonna guess the good NES arcade ports could be more called remakes, since especially back then the big thing with arcade games was that their specialised hardware meant they could be optimised around the game, as well as having less limitations generally with hardware and content.

It's gone from annoying to pathetic to laffo that 30+ years later and I think some Japanese devs are still only begrudgingly making games for consoles rather than arcades.

Ghost Leviathan fucked around with this message at 08:00 on Sep 2, 2020

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Back in the day only "RPG" people reviewed "RPG" games because otherwise they'd all have gotten really bad scores. (That's not an opinion, just relevant to the dude not liking Wasteland 3.)

Shibawanko
Feb 13, 2013

the asterix arcade beat em up owns and still rules. i think beat em ups, like shmups, are a genre that relies heavily on things like sound effects and graphics and that game does those really well

Ugly In The Morning
Jul 1, 2010
Pillbug

Ghost Leviathan posted:

I'm gonna guess the good NES arcade ports could be more called remakes, since especially back then the big thing with arcade games was that their specialised hardware meant they could be optimised around the game, as well as having less limitations generally with hardware and content.

The first arcade-perfect ports didn’t start happening until 1999 with the Dreamcast because of the huge gulf between home console hardware and arcades. I remember people losing their poo poo over MvC2 and Hydro Thunder when those came out.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Arcade-perfect ports always suck very badly because arcade games are all made to suck very badly.

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

Shibawanko posted:

super smash tv is a much better game than zombies ate my neighbors

yeah but both are better than any game made in the last decade

Panzeh
Nov 27, 2006

"..The high ground"

food court bailiff posted:

the best 2p beat em up on NES was river city ransom by such an insanely huge margin nothing else can really compare

I think Mighty Final Fight was better.

Bruegels Fuckbooks
Sep 14, 2004

Now, listen - I know the two of you are very different from each other in a lot of ways, but you have to understand that as far as Grandpa's concerned, you're both pieces of shit! Yeah. I can prove it mathematically.

burial posted:

I feel I’ve maybe said this before, but my happiest NES memory is playing Battletoads at my friend’s house. Unless we were REALLY bored, we didn’t play it as intended though.

Instead, we’d go a screen or two into the first level - whichever one had a little hill you could jump up on and a spawn that would drop what we just called “the stick.” There we held pvp duels against one another with increasingly elabourate house rules about what tactics were or weren’t “cheap” and therefore illegal to perform (unless you were losing and wanted to be a little poo poo BEN.) For hours and hours and hours.


I guess my potentially unpopular opinion is that it was way more fun to play that way. Also I always insisted on being the yellow toad.

Let's talk about the new battle toads.

Why do I need three button combinations for "eat bug with tongue" "eat enemy with tongue" and "grab tire with tongue"? Why is the startup and failure animation the same for all three of these moves?

!Klams
Dec 25, 2005

Squid Squad
I absolutely adored the alien vs predator side scrolling beat em up, but I could well believe it was bad. What about Cadillacs and Dinosaurs? There were so many arcade beat em ups that seemed like the coolest poo poo ever, but I can totally believe what made them good was how tense losing your 50p was.

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy
the best side scrolling beat em ups are the Dungeons and Dragons ones. they are great games, but also faithfully implement the rules of 2nd edition D&D

SilvergunSuperman
Aug 7, 2010

is pepsi ok posted:

Double Dragon II was close. If it wasn't for the goddamn platforming in that game it would be a tough call.

Oh man I loved double dragon 2 so much but you're right, that poo poo was infuriating.

MrQwerty
Apr 15, 2003

LOVE IS BEAUTIFUL
(づ ̄ ³ ̄)づ♥(‘∀’●)

I'm so used to CKII's obfuscated unusable ui that CKIII is throwing me for a hard loop with how Apple'd out it is, especially with a useful tutorial

Disgusting Coward
Feb 17, 2014

!Klams posted:

I absolutely adored the alien vs predator side scrolling beat em up, but I could well believe it was bad. What about Cadillacs and Dinosaurs? There were so many arcade beat em ups that seemed like the coolest poo poo ever, but I can totally believe what made them good was how tense losing your 50p was.

All the Capcom side scrolling beat 'em ups were good and, although hard as balls, generally fair. Anything by Konami or Data East can get hosed.

Fur20
Nov 14, 2007

すご▞い!
君は働か░い
フ▙▓ズなんだね!

Rutibex posted:

yeah but both are better than any game made in the last decade

whoa let's not say anything we can't take back now. smash tv is a classic but zombies ate my neighbors is about on the same tier as those lovely "big indie studio" games that hire an internet funnyman to write a couple text boxes and try to con people into buying it based on two or three memetic screenshots

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

The White Dragon posted:

whoa let's not say anything we can't take back now. smash tv is a classic but zombies ate my neighbors is about on the same tier as those lovely "big indie studio" games that hire an internet funnyman to write a couple text boxes and try to con people into buying it based on two or three memetic screenshots

nonsense! zombies ate my neighbors is a gamers game. it has high score and timers on each level, and the levels are very free-form. there is a lot of strategic depth

Fashionable Jorts
Jan 18, 2010

Maybe if I'm busy it could keep me from you



"videogames" is a bad name for videogames.


They should be called computer games.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Fashionable Jorts posted:

"videogames" is a bad name for videogames.


They should be called computer games.

Computer video games, as opposed to computer games that aren't video games (like Zork, which can be played just fine without video) and video games that aren't computer games (like Pong, which does not have a computer in it).

piratepilates
Mar 28, 2004

So I will learn to live with it. Because I can live with it. I can live with it.



Virtual fancies.

Icochet
Mar 18, 2008

I have a very small TV. Don't make fun of it! Please don't shame it like that~

Grimey Drawer
Shameful Alternative To Masturbation

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

piratepilates posted:

Virtual fancies.

But enough about our DMs

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3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Icochet posted:

Shameful Alternative To Masturbation

But enough about MTG

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