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OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I'm not sure if it's a northern thing but I was on one of those trains a couple of years ago, which was weird when even the lovely pacers have been presumably refit with powered doors.

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Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

Stopped clock etc.

https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1300839704028475400?s=19

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013



"If you stopped buying avocado toast you could afford a house."

"People stopped buying avocado toast and it's apparently killing the economy?"

E: Also related to both not buying things from restaurants and also the thread's suggestion I made fried broccoli last night and it was very nice, going to try and find more vegetables to fry tomorrow.

OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 02:50 on Sep 2, 2020

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


we have seen what the bbc consider good comedy so i kinda see the point of the angry old express readers or whoever is mad

their standards are not very high at all if they find things ideologically agreeable

Ms Adequate
Oct 30, 2011

Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling



Starting to think that the people criticising us proles for killing the economy are not speaking entirely in good faith

jacksbrat
Oct 15, 2012

Angrymog posted:

Made me nostalgic for Anglia rail. And laughing infrequent travellers who couldn't work out how to get out of a slam door train.

Oh they still have these! Both the trains and the travellers who don't know wtf to do (I can personally attest).

I just had a pang of nostalgia for rail travel. I know train travel in Britain is objectively worse than lots of other places but there's still an air of romance to it for me, except of course for that time we were all told to switch to a new train at Manchester Piccadilly because literally all the bogs were blocked.

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.

OwlFancier posted:

going to try and find more vegetables to fry tomorrow.

You can also get them in shops

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.
I hadn't heard about this

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-53985144

Kickstart: Firms urged to sign up to job scheme for under-24s


quote:

[...]
Businesses can join the scheme from Wednesday,
[...]
Selected out-of-work young people will be offered six-month work placements, for at least 25 hours a week,
[...]
Anyone between the age of 16 and 24 who is out-of-work and claiming Universal Credit may be eligible. Government figures suggest that there are already more than half a million people who fall into this category.
[...]
Jobcentre staff will identify people at risk of long-term unemployment to refer to the scheme, and Jobcentre work coaches will support candidates before and after their placement.
[...]
The government will fund each Kickstart job - paying 100% of the age-relevant National Minimum Wage, National Insurance and pension contributions for a 25-hour a week.
[...]
In addition, the government is offering employers £1,500 to set up support and training for those taking part, or other set-up costs such as buying uniforms.
[...]
The government has puts a £2bn price tag on the scheme, which it says could fund over 250,000 placements.
[...]
Tesco is the only firm to have publicly confirmed it plans to take part so far, offering 1,000 placements. But the government said others had shown an interest.
[...]
Employers' organisations have welcomed the chancellor's scheme. But in the past, from the Youth Opportunities Programme in the late 1970s to the Future Jobs Fund following the last recession, schemes to support young people into work have generally been met with a degree of scepticism.

They don't always offer the level of training or experience participants hoped for, and firms are often accused of using them as a pool of cheap labour to replace older, more expensive employees.
[...]

2bn to throw at giant corporations so they can get free labour.

thespaceinvader
Mar 30, 2011

The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!
I mean, at least they're paying stuff that goes to workers rather than just chucking a direct bung at the corps I guess.

Except the £1500 setup fees part which is obviously just a straight up bung, the employers will likely charge the employees for the uniforms anyway, and bill them 20 grand for the 1.5 grand training scheme.

Angrymog
Jan 30, 2012

Really Madcats

jacksbrat posted:

Oh they still have these! Both the trains and the travellers who don't know wtf to do (I can personally attest).

I just had a pang of nostalgia for rail travel. I know train travel in Britain is objectively worse than lots of other places but there's still an air of romance to it for me, except of course for that time we were all told to switch to a new train at Manchester Piccadilly because literally all the bogs were blocked.

I also miss the bicycle and luggage carriage. If the main train was crowded you could just go into that and as long as you didn't mind sitting on the floor you had peace and quiet, because the conductor didn't care that you were there instead of a passenger carriage.

dispatch_async
Nov 28, 2014

Imagine having the time to have played through 20 generations of one family in The Sims 2. Imagine making the original two members of that family Neil Buchanan and Cat Deeley. Imagine complaining to Maxis there was no technological progression. You've successfully imagined my life
I had a FJF 'job' in 2010. This new things sounds pretty much identical. I was working for the local council so it was at least not just bunging cash straight to Tesco for things that they would otherwise be hiring people to do.
I was in the office but most of the people employed were doing cemetery maintenance.

I've also not had a real job since so it wasn't exactly a roaring success in my case lol

stev
Jan 22, 2013

Please be excited.



Angrymog posted:

I also miss the bicycle and luggage carriage. If the main train was crowded you could just go into that and as long as you didn't mind sitting on the floor you had peace and quiet, because the conductor didn't care that you were there instead of a passenger carriage.

I don't know how people could stand to leave stuff in that carriage, anyone could walk away with anything.

Airport baggage claim areas are the worst too, always makes me anxious.

Eararaldor
Jul 30, 2007
Fanboys, ruining gaming since the 1980's

dispatch_async posted:

I had a FJF 'job' in 2010. This new things sounds pretty much identical. I was working for the local council so it was at least not just bunging cash straight to Tesco for things that they would otherwise be hiring people to do.
I was in the office but most of the people employed were doing cemetery maintenance.

I've also not had a real job since so it wasn't exactly a roaring success in my case lol

They interviewed Thérèse Coffey (work and pensions minister) on TV this morning about it. They asked how was this any different from previous schemes that failed to work (their words).

As you would expect, it was along the lines of "we have learnt a lot from the previous schemes" while also failing to say how it was different what so ever,.

So they've basically learnt nothing. Something, something Cycle of life, except it is a Tory government, being poo poo.

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.

stev posted:

I don't know how people could stand to leave stuff in that carriage, anyone could walk away with anything.

Airport baggage claim areas are the worst too, always makes me anxious.

Airport baggage collection, or "thief's buffet" as they're known

Actually i guess it's more like "thief's yo sushi"

ShaneMacGowansTeeth
May 22, 2007



I think this is it... I think this is how it ends
Just been in an out of the dentist to have a tooth extracted where a filling had cracked, the root had got infected and then the tooth itself had cracked. And let me tell you, there is nothing more disconcerting than hearing a tooth cracking in your mouth when it's being pulled out

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


https://www.theguardian.com/money/2020/sep/02/uk-house-prices-hit-record-high-after-easing-of-covid-lockdown

I'd quote the article but phone posting. How the gently caress is the housing bubble expanding in a pandemic?

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.

ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:

Just been in an out of the dentist

:grin:

sebzilla
Mar 17, 2009

Kid's blasting everything in sight with that new-fangled musket.


forkboy84 posted:

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2020/sep/02/uk-house-prices-hit-record-high-after-easing-of-covid-lockdown

I'd quote the article but phone posting. How the gently caress is the housing bubble expanding in a pandemic?

Poshos fleeing London because they can now WFH and buying places in the country that have been vacated by olds dying of Covid.

Also there was a month or two where nobody was viewing/buying houses and that's since been released so we're getting extra business done now.

It's loving dumb as poo poo though.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

CGI Stardust
Nov 7, 2010


Brexit is but a door,
election time is but a window.

I'll be back

OwlFancier posted:



"If you stopped buying avocado toast you could afford a house."

"People stopped buying avocado toast and it's apparently killing the economy?"
a finger on the monkey's paw curls. millenials save money by no longer going into the office, thereby no longer eating avocado toast. with businesses no longer needing the large office blocks, the price of property in the city centres comes crashing down, and the landlords, desperate to save their investment, convert all the old offices into cheap and lovely flats, which millenials can now afford. occasionally, a lucky prudent millenial (with rich parents) will be able to buy an old Starbucks and convert it into a house.

creative destruction has struck again

Venomous
Nov 7, 2011





This has nothing to do with anything, but Starmer is loving awful, isn't he

Angrymog
Jan 30, 2012

Really Madcats

forkboy84 posted:

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2020/sep/02/uk-house-prices-hit-record-high-after-easing-of-covid-lockdown

I'd quote the article but phone posting. How the gently caress is the housing bubble expanding in a pandemic?

Because we're not buying avacado toast? (Seriously. Not having to go into the office has made a big difference to my finances)

keep punching joe
Jan 22, 2006

Die Satan!
By not going to an office, socialising, buying all groceries in bulk and planning meals I have saved about 5 grand this pandemic.

hemale in pain
Jun 5, 2010




Pret will have to close 3 of it's 5 stores in town if you don't start buying

peanut-
Feb 17, 2004
Fun Shoe
Cool that it's taken 10 weeks since it was announced DFID would merge with the foreign office until we decided that building drones counts as foreign aid now.

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

forkboy84 posted:

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2020/sep/02/uk-house-prices-hit-record-high-after-easing-of-covid-lockdown

I'd quote the article but phone posting. How the gently caress is the housing bubble expanding in a pandemic?
Stamp duty is suspended and there are a ton of available properties, so it's a really good time to buy. We're looking to buy our first place at the moment which is great, what is less great is that the sister in law can't afford a full half mortgagr which is limiting our search, what's even less good is that the wife has started looking at properties in Swindon.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


Venomous posted:

This has nothing to do with anything, but Starmer is loving awful, isn't he

This is very true. He's the inevitable consequence of being so desperate to win that you end up creating the most bloodless, spineless non-entity, perfectly focus grouped to offend nobody, failing to notice that he also appeals to nobody.

Bobby Deluxe posted:

Stamp duty is suspended and there are a ton of available properties, so it's a really good time to buy. We're looking to buy our first place at the moment which is great, what is less great is that the sister in law can't afford a full half mortgagr which is limiting our search, what's even less good is that the wife has started looking at properties in Swindon.

But if there's lots of available properties shouldn't prices go down? Something about supply & demand & Economics 101. Failing to pop the property bubble 20 years ago in its relatively early stages might actually be the biggest whiff of the New Labour years. Massive generational transfer of wealth from young to olds that just keeps getting worse. The only two ways I'll ever own a house is either winning the lottery or my parents dying. Now, in isolation I'm not massively fussed by this because I don't really think private home ownership is actually a positive (something about the difference between private property & personal property here), but in the society we live in, where rent takes up half or more of your monthly pay cheque? It's bad OP.

forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 10:28 on Sep 2, 2020

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
I think you'll find we're actually doing quite reasonably compared to the era when you could literally indenture people and voting was restricted to five landlords and a pig.

peanut-
Feb 17, 2004
Fun Shoe
Inflation is gonna be high, interest rates are low and not going up, and you get fuckloads of tax breaks. Unfortunately the economic logic of buying houses isn't going away.

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear

The people at the Guardian think they are left wing :ssh:

Necrothatcher
Mar 26, 2005




peanut- posted:

Inflation is gonna be high, interest rates are low and not going up, and you get fuckloads of tax breaks. Unfortunately the economic logic of buying houses isn't going away.

No more government interference! Unleash the power of the free market! No more state hand-outs! /miltonfriedman

kingturnip
Apr 18, 2008

Guavanaut posted:

I think you'll find we're actually doing quite reasonably compared to the era when you could literally indenture people and voting was restricted to five landlords and a pig.

I think there's enough evidence to suggest that renters are, in fact, indentured. They pay so much in rent in many places that there's no option but to keep renting (unless they can get a heap of money from somewhere). Where the end result is that they stay poor, and their landlords get very wealthy indeed.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
jesus christ

https://twitter.com/WailQ/status/1301073387717120000?s=20

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

kingturnip posted:

I think there's enough evidence to suggest that renters are, in fact, indentured. They pay so much in rent in many places that there's no option but to keep renting (unless they can get a heap of money from somewhere). Where the end result is that they stay poor, and their landlords get very wealthy indeed.
That's less formal indenture and more capitalism working as intended. Same as sharecropping wasn't literally slavery, because you got paid, but then you paid that money back to the plantation owner for land rent and tool hire.

Indenture with a human face that has been outsourced to a letting agency that can't speak to you right at this moment.

stev
Jan 22, 2013

Please be excited.




She's given so many chances. What the gently caress.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
lol

https://twitter.com/XRebellionUK/status/1300794775138906114?s=20

justcola
May 22, 2004

La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo

OwlFancier posted:

Having to stick your arm out the window and open it from the outside was a novel experience.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_z15IW8eT8U

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro



loving soft ball delivery, "I know you're a compassionate person" & she still loving comes off like a monster.

TACD
Oct 27, 2000

Really quite surprised they haven’t just blamed the entire population for having poor taste in comedy.

stev posted:

I don't know how people could stand to leave stuff in that carriage, anyone could walk away with anything.

Airport baggage claim areas are the worst too, always makes me anxious.
I take the view that these things work because most people are actually fundamentally decent, the cunts just do massive amounts of overtime to make it seem otherwise.

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Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

IT IS ME.
🧑‍💼
I AM THERESA MAY


forkboy84 posted:

loving soft ball delivery, "I know you're a compassionate person" & she still loving comes off like a monster.
Jesus Christ, the interviewer was basically straight-up telling her that she was repeatedly trying to give her the opportunity to say that she gives just the least flying gently caress about the poor woman, she's just like "nope :D" :wtc:

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