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Jose posted:They're so loving useless So loving useless. “The policy called ‘cancel the rent’ is surprisingly un-Labour. It’s a really regressive policy. “Because, for instance, there are people who are still in work, still able to pay their rent. And if you just cancelled rent, they would also benefit and they don’t need to.“ "Whether we like it or not, whether we think it’s either moral or not, there is a legal structure underneath this. Which is a tenant has signed a contract with a landlord. Even if it’s a rubbish contract, with a rubbish landlord who is charging far too much, it’s still legally binding. And just cancelling it has consequences. In fact, there isn’t such a thing as cancelling it.” Oh no! Even more people might benefit from this idea than you might think! The horror!  I can see my copy of Labour's 2019 manifesto on my study shelf as I type this - from that to this limp, empty, cowardly twaddle in six months. Almost beyond belief.
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Gort posted:Thing about those loving "inspirational" work signs is that if you're seeing them, you're already on the goddamn Tube. The people 100% working from home aren't going to see them. They have them on pot noodles of all things now. Under the lids "You can make it!"
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crispix posted:They have them on pot noodles of all things now. Under the lids To be fair the pot noodle target demographic could do with being lifted out of a depressive spiral.
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happyhippy posted:All the questions were so easy, upto mine. Penguin! Pelican! Pied flycatcher!
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StarkingBarfish posted:To be fair the pot noodle target demographic could do with being lifted out of a depressive spiral. NO i LIKE the spiral now 
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crispix posted:NO i LIKE the spiral now spiral good, bombay badboy good
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Aidan_702 posted:Yeah, exactly. School was atrocious and is 95% bad memories and stress. It's the number one sign you're speaking to a Tory when they talk about how much they loved school. Not everyone who loved school is a Tory, but it's a very good metric this reminds me of that stephen spender quote - ‘Mayn’t your politics simply be the result of a sexual maladjustment?’
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OwlFancier posted:Welcome to yesterday granddad. I'm eight hours behind y'all so I'm just catching up. Still even as an American I know those are some wretched fish and chips. The fish looks overdone and the chips are too few and just wrong.,
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The fish is probably actually pretty good, you want it good and crisp cos otherwise the grease pools at the bottom and it goes soggy. The problem is if it's from the westminster cafe it's probably not very fresh. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 15:38 on Sep 3, 2020 |
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OwlFancier posted:The fish is probably actually pretty good, you want it good and crisp cos otherwise the grease pools at the bottom and it goes soggy. Yeah but there's crisp and then there's overdone and the lighting makes it look like the latter. Then again maybe the chippy near my old flat was staffed by wizards because the fish was never too greasy. Goddamn I miss that place but last I did a google street view nostalgia check it was closed down with the rest of the shopping center it was in.
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Most places in my experience give you fairly soggy fish, it's just a thing. Like it comes out crisp but it doesn't stay that way for long. The best one I ever had was at robin hood's bay and it was about that colour, nice and crisp.
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OwlFancier posted:The problem is if it's from the westminster cafe it's probably not very fresh.
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OwlFancier posted:The problem is if it's from the westminster cafe it's probably not very fresh. Nonsense. It's the freshest fish, from Lutetia by ox cart.
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Bobstar posted:Nonsense. It's the freshest fish, from Lutetia by ox cart. Lutetia by ox cart? I didn't know Rees-Mogg's daughter was putting her name to her business ventures.
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Bobstar posted:Nonsense. It's the freshest fish, from Lutetia by ox cart. *Cue village wide punch up*
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happyhippy posted:I still remember clearly when our class played Blockbusters, we were divided up boys/girls, and it was obvious the teacher wanted the girls to win. i'd probably have gotten in trouble for saying pterodactyl tbh
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BalloonFish posted:I can see my copy of Labour's 2019 manifesto on my study shelf as I type this - from that to this limp, empty, cowardly twaddle in six months. Almost beyond belief. See I still don't understand why it was so easy for the right to regain control. Did the left massively gently caress up (beyond losing the election) or was this always going to happen?
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Yeah but there's crisp and then there's overdone and the lighting makes it look like the latter. Then again maybe the chippy near my old flat was staffed by wizards because the fish was never too greasy. Real inconsistencies in how much batter/how browned it has to be for it to be "real" fish and chips - people can't agree on it. Personally I find pale fried food kind of unpleasant to look at which hurts the visual appetising element. you should move here. actually, you should move to almost anywhere except here, unless you're still living in america, at which point you should move here.
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Regarde Aduck posted:See I still don't understand why it was so easy for the right to regain control. Did the left massively gently caress up (beyond losing the election) or was this always going to happen? Turns out the labour party is full of lovely right wingers and the leadership can do what it wants without membership input.
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Regarde Aduck posted:See I still don't understand why it was so easy for the right to regain control. Did the left massively gently caress up (beyond losing the election) or was this always going to happen? The left was never in control; had Corbyn ruthlessly purged the party then maybe, but he didn't and was never going to, so he was undermined constantly from day one and nothing actually changed under the surface. The revelations in the aftermath of Corbyn's tenure proved that the party is lost as a leftwing vehicle.
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Regarde Aduck posted:See I still don't understand why it was so easy for the right to regain control. Did the left massively gently caress up (beyond losing the election) or was this always going to happen? Others ITT know much more detail about the inner workings, power-struggles and politics of the Labour Party, but as I understand it: 1) The left was mostly excluded from power within Labour during late Kinnock/New Labour era. 2) In a fit of hubris the centre/soft-left power base in the party change the internal election rules (to neuter the unions?). 3) Once given a decent say, the rank-and-file membership elect a properly left-wing leader. 4) Despite this the parliamentary and executive bits of party are still stuffed with soft-left/centrists/neolibs. The left have the leadership but not really control. 5) The left don't do anything to consolidate their power, either by further changes to the internal election rules or by removing/neutering the right of the party, or to ensure that there's a new generation of lefties to take their place. 6) Endless 'controversy' and poor polls, culminating in the GE2019 disaster provide the 'proof' that the left is a busted flush and can never be elected. 7) This, combined with a sufficiently number of incredulous/traumatised Labour members and an understandable collapse in morale on the left, lets the right muscle back into the Labour wheelhouse. Essentially, the Labour Party as a structure was never anything like as left-leaning as the 2015-2020 leadership, which always made its position precarious and relied on [the promise of] electoral success to keep the right - barely - in check. Once that clearly wasn't going to happen the right was always going to take power again unless the left were incredibly ruthless, which they weren't/aren't. I await other posters telling me where I've gone wrong on that.
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Corbyn winning was a freak accident of the sort that would never happen again. Don't doubt that. BalloonFish posted:5) The left don't do anything to consolidate their power, either by further changes to the internal election rules or by removing/neutering the right of the party, or to ensure that there's a new generation of lefties to take their place. But I think, ITT, we tended to underestimate several things about labour, and still tend to: - just how right wing the central beauraucracy of the party is. It's not just soft left or centre left, it's people who maybe started out that way, but hanging out in the corridors of power for so long, and drifted gradually more right wing. Some of the people we're talking about have been in post for 15 to 20 years, or have been moving around between the top levels of the unions, labour, the cooperative party, etc etc. They're not just not socialists any more, they're outright conservatives, at best, and neoliberals at worst. - just how long it takes to change things. Most things in the Labour party can be changed maybe once a year. This means that when there ARE leftist things happening, it's more difficult for the right wing to reverse them when it takes power, but it also means that if the right wing has consolidated power, it's going to take significantly more time to change things than we think it should, or than we want it to. - just how BIG the beauraucracy is. It's not just the NEC, or head office, it's EVERY SINGLE CLP. Very, very few of them are even majority leftist, let alone exclusively so, and they're often, even in the most vibrant and active labour areas, ram packed with small-c conservative (i.e. change-resistant) old people. So, even if, for instance, young lefties want to make change on a local level, they don't just have to persuade the bulk of the members of their given policy (which is gonna be a challenge, because as noted, a LOT of active members are old and change-resistant), they have to get it enacted by a party beauraucracy AND probably a local council that deeply, deeply doesn't want to risk any change. - just how difficult it is to change an MP, doubly so in the last couple of elections which have been called with minimal notice, which REALLY hurts leftists. It's very difficult to get a good candidate selected, because of a LOT o the above stuff. First, you need to have time in the first place. It takes months to select a candidate, and the last two elections have been called with so little notice that by the time a proper free selection had taken place, the election would already have happened. Then, you have to have a vacancy - because there's not an easy way to recall and replace a candidate who's a shitheel, vis, Kate frigging Hoey. So, if you've got time, and you've got a vacancy, now you need an appropriate candidate - someone who's got adequate experience, someone who's a decent public speaker, and a decent leftist, and old enough. And now, you need to get your very conservative membership to vote for them over like... the retiring MEP, or the successful centrist grifting local councillor, or... etc. NOw, you've selected your candidate - and you send the results of the selection vote to the beauraucracy, which the party hasn't been able to de-liberal, because it takes YEARS to do that even with a cooperative beauraucracy, and they return your candidate, who despite your good, socialist, strong public speaker with a good record, good qualifications, etc etc wining the majority of the votes, is that successful grifting local councillor. Because the beauraucracy has the final say. There's more, obviously, that's just the first few issues that come to mind. It's a lot of complaining. What's the solution? There may not be one. But these measures will give a modicum of assistance. Stop paying these peoples' wages with your subscriptions and donations. Stop supporting the party, because even at the best it has been since the early 70s, it did not support you. Join your local mutual aid group, build local connections. Join your union, and push where you can for it to stop supporting Labour. Vote against the entrenched old guard leadership of it when you get the chance. Ideally in the long run, the solution would be a novel leftist party which pulls a plurality of the unions away and gets their support and political contributions, but is run by a beauraucracy which is less abominably lovely. But even that will be a challenge, and I'm not sure that it's possible to accomplish before it's too late. Like, the world needs leftist leaders to win basically every election in the next 5 years, and collectively demolish the entire system of capital ownership and remake it with less perverse incentives. Or revolution. thespaceinvader fucked around with this message at 16:49 on Sep 3, 2020 |
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Regarde Aduck posted:See I still don't understand why it was so easy for the right to regain control. Did the left massively gently caress up (beyond losing the election) or was this always going to happen? Starmer served Jezza loyally enough so it wasnt exactly a coup or a surprise considering RLB didnt have Jezza's credentials or plain speakingness. historically Jezza's image was more lefty than his more recent policies actually were, which caused a certain level of mistrust that could be exploited by the media. the advantage of starmer is that if anything ordinary people see him more to right than his policies suggest. going further back I suppose there was a sense that milliband proved weak and ineffectual against a polished foe, so a return to a supposed authoritarian like Starmer to take on the disheveled and chaotic boris after disheveled and chaotic jezza failed to make inroads makes sense. thats not the same as saying this was 'always going to happen' mind you thats just post rationalisation
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goddamnedtwisto posted:How much do you and your family look like terrorists? Fell free to use either RGB or Pantone numbers.
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Breath Ray posted:Starmer served Jezza loyally enough so it wasnt exactly a coup or a surprise considering RLB didnt have Jezza's credentials or plain speakingness. None of that is true. It's, at best, your own personal head canon, and you're a racist poo poo so gently caress off.
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Labour chat: I recall post "chicken" coup that McDonnell said something along the lines of "They're so fuckin' useless they can't even do a coup properly" but there they were, in the background, couping away silently in the night. Not the PLP so much as party staffers. Makes me wonder just how much of what was going on Corbyn & McDonnell were in complete ignorance of and whether the 'coup' in the daylight was just a front to make them think they'd won?
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Regarde Aduck posted:See I still don't understand why it was so easy for the right to regain control. Did the left massively gently caress up (beyond losing the election) or was this always going to happen? Inter-party dissension and Brexit, in whichever order you prefer. Don't underestimate just how much Boris & Co. benefited from having a platform of "we're going to finish Brexit" as opposed to Labour saying "err, umm, yeah we're gonna drag it out some more in one way or another".
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Inter-party dissension and Brexit, in whichever order you prefer. I agree brexit is why they lost the election, but its not why long bailey lost to starmer. theres still a question mark over labour and brexit although starmer has said hes put it behind him. its also a bit of a leading question because e.g. both corbyn and starmer have stated their support for law and order - the difference is that sat uncomfortably with corbyn's historical position
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feedmegin posted:What kind of hellhole doesn't provide free coffee even in normal times? At least in the tech world, the one place I've worked which stopped doing that, also stopped paying people on time a couple of weeks later. Then, eventually, at all. Buddy my workplace used to list "free uniform" as one of the benefits in job adverts
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Regarde Aduck posted:See I still don't understand why it was so easy for the right to regain control. Did the left massively gently caress up (beyond losing the election) or was this always going to happen? A chunk of the left gave up. They decided that after 4 & a half years that "electability" was more important than "ideological purity". Unfortunately electability has thus far not proven to actually be electable, who knew? (Me, I knew, I loving told everyone) And so after that fracture in the left vote a lot of people decided they can't support Labour because it's infested with liberal politicians who will never stop sabotaging the left so why loving bother? And those people are right. Breath Ray posted:Piss gently caress off already.
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Breath Ray posted:I agree brexit is why they lost the election, but its not why long bailey lost to starmer. theres still a question mark over labour and brexit although starmer has said hes put it behind him. its also a bit of a leading question because e.g. both corbyn and starmer have stated their support for law and order - the difference is that sat uncomfortably with corbyn's historical position you're a liar johnathon
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