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Midjack posted:The GS15/10 cap is statutory so regardless of what kind of pay system you have that’s the biggest number you can get from the government without being a Senior (X) Service employee.
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Josh Lyman posted:That's not true. GS caps at $170,800; in SF which has the highest locality, you hit that at 14-10 and 15-5 and higher, but at SEC the cap is $253,300. Didn’t know that.
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Josh Lyman posted:That's not true. GS caps at $170,800; in SF which has the highest locality, you hit that at 14-10 and 15-5 and higher, but at SEC the cap is $253,300. Gotta compete with the banking industry from which they come and to which they'll return for even more pay after serving at SEC... There are a few hiring authorities out there that allow more pay than Congress. EPA and HHS have title 42 appointments I think that agencies that hire a lot of bankers and lawyers are generally given more leeway on pay bands.
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Dr. Quarex posted:Every time someone says "GS-11" I get the far-away look in my eyes and try once again to find data on the number of total jobs broken down by GS, but I have yet to stumble upon this data if it is indeed out there. All to "prove" my pet theory, one that is almost certainly untrue, that there are fewer positions at 11 available than there are at 12. Your pet theory is correct. As of the end of 2019, there were 191,000 GS-11 federal employees and 288,000 GS-12. If you want to explore more, fire up Internet Explorer (yes, really) and head to https://fedscope.opm.gov. (There are fewer than 2,000 GS 1/2 employees.) Alucard posted:I think that agencies that hire a lot of bankers and lawyers are generally given more leeway on pay bands. Czolgosz fucked around with this message at 00:30 on Sep 4, 2020 |
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Sir John Falstaff posted:Of course, there are also agencies like mine that don't even use GS. Mine doesn't and I don't understand any of the pay structure or steps that the full-time people get. I don't even know how to even go from grade 6 to grade 7 in my own job or if it's even possible.
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At least in the Service Centers, our track is 5-7-9 then 11-12. I’ve been stuck at 12 for years and there are only like 20 non-management 13s in my location.
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IRS was part of Trump's weird deference scheme but now guess who's also part of it? https://twitter.com/RepDonBeyer/status/1302018729144967169
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Czolgosz posted:Your pet theory is correct. As of the end of 2019, there were 191,000 GS-11 federal employees and 288,000 GS-12. If you want to explore more, fire up Internet Explorer (yes, really) and head to https://fedscope.opm.gov. (There are fewer than 2,000 GS 1/2 employees.) Time to literally set this as my Internet Explorer homepage Wow I see I have never launched Internet Explorer on this desktop I have had since 2016, rad; was Edge really out by then? Huh, I guess it was. DATA CUBE! Everything about this page is grand. This looks so much like an intranet page from my last job I am delighted Yeah, looks like GS-9 really is the worst place to need to escape. Edit: Wow, there are roughly the same number of 12s and 13s, too; would not have guessed that. Beerdeer posted:At least in the Service Centers, our track is 5-7-9 then 11-12. I’ve been stuck at 12 for years and there are only like 20 non-management 13s in my location. It also was a vision of my future and certainly accelerated my decision to just get the hell out already, particularly when the assistant center director I was sent to for feedback after my last promotional attempt told me nothing about my efforts made sense, as I was denied for a different reason each of the five times. CONSPIRACY!?!? probably just fundamentally not suited for that job Dr. Quarex fucked around with this message at 08:47 on Sep 5, 2020 |
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Dr. Quarex posted:This is utterly amazing and I cherish you I've typically ignored paygrade restrictions on internal programs until told otherwise, which seems to be my boss's perspective also. As a result I was able to get onto an advisory panel with our senior civilian SES intended for junior employees. I just applied for it anyways and my boss gave his endorsement. Nobody from front office called or emailed saying "you can't do that." Short of doing something illegal, always push the system.
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Howard Phillips posted:I've typically ignored paygrade restrictions on internal programs until told otherwise, which seems to be my boss's perspective also. As a result I was able to get onto an advisory panel with our senior civilian SES intended for junior employees. I just applied for it anyways and my boss gave his endorsement. Nobody from front office called or emailed saying "you can't do that." Short of doing something illegal, always push the system. “Make them tell you no” works pretty well because a lot of times they won’t.
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Midjack posted:“Make them tell you no” works pretty well because a lot of times they won’t. I brought the whole "better to ask forgiveness than ask permission" attitude into this job from previous ones, and as it turns out when you're the only one in an office with that attitude and bosses have never dealt with it before, it's kind of a superpower. All related to "poo poo that makes our jobs easier/better", of course, I'm not using it to pad the job because jesus it's padded enough
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I agree, that was certainly the thing working out best for me at my job as well. I might have started and finished as a GS-9, but I volunteered for every side gig and applied for every random extracurricular training I could, and by the time I left I had had two cool details and won a few awards from people who actually understood what I had to offer as a consolation prize for my inability to move up the ranks. I actually think the biggest single piece of advice I would have for any new federal employee (assuming my experience is even remotely common) is to be the only person who actually reads all the e-mail you get sent. 90% of your co-workers are not even going to know about the call for volunteers or the training class opening up because they archive/delete everything not from their supervisor or a friend, in my experience.
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I finished my shift on Friday by going to our main post office and trying to get through the computer security training that's required by everyone with access. I have until the end of September to complete it. I don't have a lot of free time to do anything because I have to deal with setting up for dispatch, cleaning up the parcel sorting station after the carriers leave, boxing the mail for approximately two hundred PO boxes, casing newspapers, receiving UPS and FedEx parcels for last-mile delivery, and going through recycling to make sure no endorsed mail or first-class mail was thrown away, and answer every stupid question people call the post office for in less than four hours. I had some time because the dispatch person came in early, so I went to the training office to get through it. I came upstairs when I was done and my postmaster was mad that I was down there, even though my supervisor felt that was a good chance to get it done. I explained to him what I was doing and I don't think he even understood what I was talking about. Other clerks I work with haven't had the chance to do theirs because we're too loving busy to do it and we lose access if we don't finish it by the end of the month. My postmaster is a loving moron. I also always feel like an unwelcome presence in theads like this because I have a poor people job in a thread populated by people with real jobs.
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Star Man posted:I also always feel like an unwelcome presence in theads like this because I have a poor people job in a thread populated by people with real jobs. You're working your rear end off in a Federal job. This thread is for you.
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Star Man posted:I also always feel like an unwelcome presence in theads like this because I have a poor people job in a thread populated by people with real jobs. Naw dude you’re legit as gently caress and help America more than many other federal workers, please don’t feel unwelcome.
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Star Man posted:I also always feel like an unwelcome presence in theads like this because I have a poor people job in a thread populated by people with real jobs. In terms of actual societal utility, I believe that your job probably ranks above most of ours.
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I recently passed 2 years waiting on my security clearance and there's still no end in sight as far as I can tell. I'm finishing my PhD in a few weeks and I'm going to have to figure out how much longer I'm willing to wait on this because I don't want to start a job only to abandon it after a short period of time. It's actually a little shocking how long this has taken since I have had an active secret for a decade and nothing particularly interesting in my history. As far as I know I passed the polygraph because a few weeks later they sent the investigator to talk to everyone I've ever known and that was well over a year ago with only a "we're still working on it" phone call every few months after that and nothing since all this covid business started.
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Star Man posted:I also always feel like an unwelcome presence in theads like this because I have a poor people job in a thread populated by people with real jobs. You are absolutely an essential part of the federal government and working a real job. Just because it's not compensated as much as it's worth for the level of bs you have to deal with doesn't mean it's not just as if not more real than the average IT guy's.
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IratelyBlank posted:I recently passed 2 years waiting on my security clearance and there's still no end in sight as far as I can tell. I'm finishing my PhD in a few weeks and I'm going to have to figure out how much longer I'm willing to wait on this because I don't want to start a job only to abandon it after a short period of time. It's actually a little shocking how long this has taken since I have had an active secret for a decade and nothing particularly interesting in my history. As far as I know I passed the polygraph because a few weeks later they sent the investigator to talk to everyone I've ever known and that was well over a year ago with only a "we're still working on it" phone call every few months after that and nothing since all this covid business started. You must be waiting for IC clearance because DOD has been granting clearances very quickly.
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Star Man posted:I also always feel like an unwelcome presence in theads like this because I have a poor people job in a thread populated by people with real jobs. Dude I used to work for TSA which is hated by everybody on top of being underpaid. No one here is gonna look down on you for doing your job. Pull up a chair and chill out or rage out with everybody.
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Star Man posted:
I've rode garbage trucks, fit pipe in shipyards, worked on machines in chemical plants, deployed to Iraq to set up phone switches, and I currently sit at my kitchen table and talk to people on the phone for more money than I've ever made before. In some very important ways, my current job is the least real job I've ever had. Anybody that would GS brag is worth ignoring.
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Census Field Supervisor checking in. So I guess the courts will decide how much longer I get to post in this thread.
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As I have said elsewhere, I spent the period from about 2004 to 2016 adapting and growing as a person and learning to see the nuance of political belief and policy and understanding just how difficult it is to characterize ideology in good and evil terms Then these motherfuckers show up
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literally this big posted:Census Field Supervisor checking in. So I guess the courts will decide how much longer I get to post in this thread. I was a census undergoon (one of the door to door folk) last time we did this in 2010, genuinely one of the neatest jobs I've had.
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When searching on USAJobs is there a way to filter out specific agencies or DoDefense in general?
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you can search for specific departments or agencies under advanced search, so if you want to exclude something just check off everything except what you don’t want.
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Thanks for reminding the thread of that feature; for whatever reason I do not remember it actually having all the agencies listed (or maybe I was just so dumb the first time I saw it that I did not notice the "show options with 0 jobs" selector). Time to fix my separate searches for separate agencies' jobs!
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ilkhan posted:When searching on USAJobs is there a way to filter out specific agencies or DoDefense in general? There should be a checkbox for "no I don't want to enlist so quit listing loving Army Reserve jobs like they're normal jobs"
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Hahahaha is the army reserve not its own checkbox? I used to apply to those jobs without even noticing that part. Good thing I was probably too old to join anyway
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Dr. Quarex posted:As I have said elsewhere, I spent the period from about 2004 to 2016 adapting and growing as a person and learning to see the nuance of political belief and policy and understanding just how difficult it is to characterize ideology in good and evil terms sparkmaster posted:I was a census undergoon (one of the door to door folk) last time we did this in 2010, genuinely one of the neatest jobs I've had.
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GD_American posted:There should be a checkbox for "no I don't want to enlist so quit listing loving Army Reserve jobs like they're normal jobs" for the USDA, it would be a "please filter out all 10,000 temporary forest service jobs in the literal middle of nowhere"
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Pro move is to filter by agency. Filtering by department is for noobs.
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The annoying part that I've run into is that if you filter on department it makes filtering by agency useless. At least that's what happened to me the last time I used both ways of filtering.
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Yes, but if you filter by agency like I just did and greenlight about 80% of them, it turns out you crash USAJobs (Or at least my browser just gave up and gave me errors every time I tried to confirm or reload after doing my selections) I did just go through and re-edit my series list yet again, though, so hopefully between that and telling it not to show me jobs from a handful of agencies I would be embarrassed to work for, I should be set. Though an "I would rather die than work for ICE" button would be handy for DHS jobs
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GD_American posted:There should be a checkbox for "no I don't want to enlist so quit listing loving Army Reserve jobs like they're normal jobs"
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This Friday I have an info session for an Air Force Contract specialist. Followed by interviews end of next week. I only sent a resume end of last week, so this went much faster than other federal jobs (haven't gone through USA Jobs yet). I was in USMC from 2008-2012. I had a few questions, but don't know if anyone would know answer to this. I can also field these at the info session. 1. I am trying to enter as a grade 9 rather than a grade 7. I was told my resume is with the career field team. Is there anything more I can do to increase chance I come in as a 9 rather than 7? When would I find this out in the interview process? 2. Does my prior military service let me contribute to FERS at a lower rate? I assume not. I see that there is a buy back process to count that time towards FERS, which is amazingly complicated. 3. Anything else I need to know to know/benefits that can transfer from prior military experience? They just said that veterans preference does not apply because its an open rec.
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Fritzler posted:This Friday I have an info session for an Air Force Contract specialist. Followed by interviews end of next week. I only sent a resume end of last week, so this went much faster than other federal jobs (haven't gone through USA Jobs yet). I was in USMC from 2008-2012. I had a few questions, but don't know if anyone would know answer to this. I can also field these at the info session. 1. If you qualify for both grades, they will bring you at the lower one. I shot myself in the foot two years ago when I interviewed for both the GS-12 and 13 level for the same position. I thought I was being a big brain negotiator when I told them that I will only consider a GS-13 offer but in hindsight that just probably just made me look like an arrogant rear end in a top hat. 2. No it doesn't. You have to have been in civil service and contributed to FERS during that time. The buy back process takes time but it's pretty straightforward. I am at the last stage now where payroll will process it and give me an option to do payment plan or lump sump. For me around $11k for 12 years of service. 3. Only two things can potentially transfer over, years of service for leave calculation purposes (only considered at hiring) and buying back miltime (done after hiring by filling out the forms).
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buying back time in the peace corps is a funny experience because it's based on your pay, and volunteers are paid at local developing world rates. Eg, I earned the equivalent of a few hundred a month, as I was in one of the "richer" countries. For most volunteers the buyback costs like $100 for two years. circumstances permitting, I was hoping to bookend my federal service with another peace corps two-year tour to round out my retirement. One trade off is that it wouldn't help high 3. But now I'm guessing in a few decades the program won't exist in the same form or my benefits will have been gutted... Thesaurus fucked around with this message at 01:47 on Sep 17, 2020 |
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Thesaurus posted:buying back time in the peace corps is a funny experience because it's based on your pay, and volunteers are paid at local developing world rates. Eg, I earned the equivalent of a few hundred a month, as I was in one of the "richer" countries. For most volunteers the buyback costs like $100 for two years. Wow. You enjoyed the peace corps that much?
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