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Blockade posted:Yeah I hate to say it but there is no way that a post revolution socialist society or any society is going to be more materially prosperous than this one. "The first lesson a revolutionary must learn is that he is a doomed man. Unless he understands this, he does not grasp the essential meaning of his life." - Huey P. Newton the world isn't going to magically get better right after we overthrow capitalism. that's the easy part. none of us will get to live in good or even comfortable times. but unless we act, no one will ever get to live in a better version of the world
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Sep 4, 2020 00:12
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pnumoman posted:People also misunderstanding FCC regs... They mainly make sure you don't emit tons of signals you're not supposed to and that you're not hardened against interference unless you're allowed. This kind of leakage they don't give two fucks about, unless it was somehow strong enough to listen to at great distances. according to the thread he can tune in 20 feet away
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Sep 4, 2020 00:13
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Marzzle posted:dawg we were always on the same wavelength I just don’t want a bunch of people to die needlessly in a revolution. also I may differ in thinking UBI + rent control is the easiest way to get something that would basically be public housing set up but I’m cool with public housing being govt owned or existing housing being nationalized You were so close to being cool you only had to delete this post. And then you did. What a shame.
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Sep 4, 2020 00:14
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T-man posted:You were so close to being cool you only had to delete this post. And then you did. What a shame. oh no I won’t fit in with cspam’s tankie clique  also you barely make any sense is it because you’re frothing with internet rage or are you just hosed up on something? tbh I will forgive all if you are hosed up everyone is entitled to a good cspam bender. sober though, better do some deep introspection Marzzle has issued a correction as of 00:26 on Sep 4, 2020 |
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Sep 4, 2020 00:24
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T-man posted:You were so close to being cool you only had to delete this post. And then you did. What a shame. also weren’t you like, begging to be made a cspam mod a few months back? classic mod powers seeking personality tbh
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Sep 4, 2020 00:34
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I guess a couple Online Banes arguing unmedicatedly with a definitely not mad person who is confused at why Online Banes would say nutty stuff is sorta cyberpunk.
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Sep 4, 2020 00:45
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T-man the Tankie to the tune of this https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lNNW0SPkChI
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Sep 4, 2020 00:46
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Marzzle posted:so is UBI cyberpunk or not I can't tell. Thinkin' it's not because the theme of the setting is lawless corporate feudalism and zero value of human life. Judge Dread comics universe has UBI, and also like 95% unemployment with ultra-slums. so yes, UBI can be cyber-punk
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Sep 4, 2020 00:48
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The Expanse isn't cyberpunk but it has a form of UBI called Basic. Most of Earth is on Basic, which covers a miserable lifestyle of bare subsistence that most people never escape from.
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Sep 4, 2020 00:53
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at this point it would be a relatively very good outcome if the us gets the judge dredd future
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Sep 4, 2020 00:54
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the milk machine posted:at this point it would be a relatively very good outcome if the us gets the judge dredd future My bet is we keep sliding right until we start doing the kind of wars the wealthy parts of Europe and Asia can no longer ignore, then we either blow everything up, or get ironically conquered by forces led by Japan and Germany
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Sep 4, 2020 00:56
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Literally no one in here is arguing in favor of straight UBI as a solution to anything so stop arguing against it There's a giant, gaping chasmic gulf though between rent control/rent vouchers/government housing plus food and medical and straight up fully automated luxury gay space communism, though The idea that if we're asking for basic necessities that we may as well ask for the moon and dismantle capitalism altogether is ridiculous. They aren't remotely equivalent asks One is conceivably politically attainable, one is a revolutionary wet dream
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Sep 4, 2020 00:59
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HISTORIC PHOTO: Emperor Barron Trump signs articles of surrender on the deck of the F213 Augsburg as CyberMerkel looks on.
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Sep 4, 2020 01:03
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the milk machine posted:at this point it would be a relatively very good outcome if the us gets the judge dredd future that slow mo drug seems pretty sweet tbh
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Sep 4, 2020 01:15
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mysterious frankie posted:HISTORIC PHOTO: Emperor Barron Trump signs articles of surrender on the deck of the F213 Augsburg as CyberMerkel looks on. 
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Sep 4, 2020 01:35
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Learning new and unwelcome things about my posting friends
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Sep 4, 2020 01:51
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my tankie friend t-man
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Sep 4, 2020 02:12
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liberals coming in here and dropping the t-slur, smdh
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Sep 4, 2020 02:14
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Marzzle posted:that slow mo drug seems pretty sweet tbh movie owns tbqh (the stallone one too)
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Sep 4, 2020 02:25
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T-man posted:Learning new and unwelcome things about my posting friends admit your bloody revolution is actually just socialism with kissinger-esque-megadeath characteristics and tell me the percentage of surviving commoners you will need to rebuild society and I will support your modship/IK/whatever bid
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Sep 4, 2020 02:52
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Marzzle posted:admit your bloody revolution is actually just socialism with kissinger-esque-megadeath characteristics and tell me the percentage of surviving commoners you will need to rebuild society and I will support your modship/IK/whatever bid lmao
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Sep 4, 2020 03:18
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Marzzle posted:admit your bloody revolution is actually just socialism with kissinger-esque-megadeath characteristics and tell me the percentage of surviving commoners you will need to rebuild society and I will support your modship/IK/whatever bid What realistic path to a better society do you see that doesn't involve revolution? They aren't going to let us just vote our way to communism.
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Sep 4, 2020 03:46
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don't worry, the DNC won't sabotage the next socdem/demsoc presidential candidate in the 2024 primaries. Just vote. Trust the Plan. Do worry, those ratfuckers in the DNC can and will sabotage anyone who tries to follow in Bernie's steps in 2024. We are not going to be able to vote our way into socdem capitalism, let alone abolishing capitalism.
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Sep 4, 2020 03:56
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Marzzle posted:admit your bloody revolution is actually just socialism with kissinger-esque-megadeath characteristics and tell me the percentage of surviving commoners you will need to rebuild society and I will support your modship/IK/whatever bid 420%
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Sep 4, 2020 03:58
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T-man posted:420% That's gonna take a lotta fuckin'.
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Sep 4, 2020 04:00
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endlessmonotony posted:That's gonna take a lotta fuckin'. they did say *my* bloody revolution ladies 
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Sep 4, 2020 04:02
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solidarityforever posted:don't worry, the DNC won't sabotage the next socdem/demsoc presidential candidate in the 2024 primaries. Just vote. Trust the Plan. You can't start at the top, no The Dems are a party, a self interested organization. Bernie explicitly isn't one of them by choice, of course they aren't going to be fully behind him. This isn't complicated. Getting DS good people elected to small local offices all over and letting the masses see some benefit is the only non revolutionary method. Then state legislature, then national. This obsession with starting right at the presidency is bonkers. Bernie wouldn't be able to do any of the poo poo he wanted anyway without progressives in congress
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Sep 4, 2020 04:07
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endlessmonotony posted:That's gonna take a lotta fuckin'. I will gently caress, if gently caress I must.
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Sep 4, 2020 04:27
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strange feelings re Daisy posted:The Expanse isn't cyberpunk but it has a form of UBI called Basic. Most of Earth is on Basic, which covers a miserable lifestyle of bare subsistence that most people never escape from. Also there are public lotteries to get education, real jobs (for the proles the elite ofc get a free pass) which are heavily promoted and the recipients constantly pointed too "see they did it just work harder"
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Sep 4, 2020 08:14
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Counterpoint: people live their entire lives posting, a utopia for some
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Sep 4, 2020 08:18
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Sorry to pull the conversation back, but I just got to this. Regardless of the answer to the debate of whether an American reform is possible with minor vs. major bloodshed, thanks for posting this poo poo right here.Serf posted:if you want an illustration of what i'm saying, here's fred hampton talking about how education is the cornerstone of revolutionary action. without it, you might find that you overthrow the people in power only to recreate the same oppressive systems that you sought to destroy My "American Government and Civics" class in high school was a loving joke class. Everyone had to take it, and our school administrators decided years before I went that it should be so easy that it was impossible to fail it. The class was taught by a chainsmoker who hadn't changed the material since it was written in the 60s. The "lessons" were taking turns reading out loud from decrepit textbooks or an occasional movie day, and always ended 10 minutes before the bell because they needed to stretch the paucity of content. The "homework" was a twice-weekly loving literal word search worksheet, which challenged us only in that it was difficult to read because it was a 2nd degree photocopy of a mimeograph. We SHOULD have been discussing the meaning of Hampton's point here, and arguing why different revolutions around the world led to different types of government and different levels of stability. Instead my hometown has mentally impoverished minimum wage slaves who defend "right to work" laws and vote for whoever dog whistles the hardest. My cyberpunk dystopia is one where the folks in small towns cheer for the cops with electric batons murdering kids in the megacity on the news, while they live in eternal debt to the company that legally owns their prosthetic lungs, the cancer mine they work minimum wage in, and the online delivery service where they ordered an "all lives splatter" bumper sticker.
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Sep 4, 2020 08:26
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Literally Esoteric posted:My cyberpunk dystopia is one where the folks in small towns cheer for the cops with electric batons murdering kids in the megacity on the news, while they live in eternal debt to the company that legally owns their prosthetic lungs, the cancer mine they work minimum wage in, and the online delivery service where they ordered an "all lives splatter" bumper sticker. good cyberpunk imo
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Sep 4, 2020 09:29
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Serf posted:if you want an illustration of what i'm saying, here's fred hampton talking about how education is the cornerstone of revolutionary action. without it, you might find that you overthrow the people in power only to recreate the same oppressive systems that you sought to destroy
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Sep 4, 2020 09:32
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Marzzle posted:admit your bloody revolution is actually just socialism with kissinger-esque-megadeath characteristics and tell me the percentage of surviving commoners you will need to rebuild society and I will support your modship/IK/whatever bid i will attempt to explain this in terms which may resonate with you: how bad do you think it will have to be for there to be a socialist revolution? like you get this: it would have to be really drat bad, for a much larger portion of the population than it is currently bad for (the evictions may well have done it had they not been postponed, and may well yet down the road). of course no one wants it to get that bad. except the people who are ultimately in charge of our society. that's why it took all this mess just to get them to make a really smart move which ultimately strengthens their position immensely. they dont want to help. they want to look down and whisper no. (unlike rorschach, who dies in an attempt to scream out for justice for those people he once bitterly fantasized about dooming). it will be bloody because these people, like the aristocrats many of them also literally are, believe that people who submit to having to work for a living are lesser beings than those who elevate themselves on the backs of the herd. they openly not only feel entitled to every last ounce of power, privilege, and wealth that they have, individually and a class, but rather believe they are entitled to more. they will kill you without even a moments hesitation if you are ever in any way a serious threat to them. they are doing that. right now. daily. Hodgepodge has issued a correction as of 10:00 on Sep 4, 2020 |
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Sep 4, 2020 09:56
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At this point in hellworld, I don't think we'll ever truly get to the bloody revolution phase. If the rich actually thought for a second that a legit, for reals bloody revolution was in the offing and would depose them, they would just start dumping downer meds into the water supply to pacify the populace.
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Sep 4, 2020 10:06
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During 2008 my mother came to me in tears because she was buying food at a gas station because her other credit cards were maxed out. She had to tell me that I wasn't getting anything for my birthday or Christmas this year. We ate nothing but cheap microwave pot pies for months. We called it the summer of hell, but it lasted longer than one season. I have my problems with my mother, but I will never forget what it felt like being that desperate, not telling my mom I was going to bed hungry every night, learning to fall asleep to gunshots in the place we got after the foreclosure. I will not lose an iota of sleep for the disrupted and diminished lives of children of monsters that put us in that position. Because I know I got off light that summer.
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Sep 4, 2020 10:16
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Marzzle posted:if 1%er tax rates ever hit 80% they're just moving to the mysterious Caribbean nations that host their shell corporations who cares? they can't take their factories or land with them, let the parasites leave. sorry foreign ownership of companies is illegal
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Sep 4, 2020 11:51
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Marzzle posted:dawg we were always on the same wavelength I just don’t want a bunch of people to die needlessly in a revolution. how do you propose we stop the US government from murdering black people, without any kind of revolution. capital might cough up UBI, its not going to stop white supremacy. are you ok doing nothing about it and just letting black people get murdered every day?
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Sep 4, 2020 11:59
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T-man posted:During 2008 my mother came to me in tears because she was buying food at a gas station because her other credit cards were maxed out. She had to tell me that I wasn't getting anything for my birthday or Christmas this year. We ate nothing but cheap microwave pot pies for months. We called it the summer of hell, but it lasted longer than one season. I have my problems with my mother, but I will never forget what it felt like being that desperate, not telling my mom I was going to bed hungry every night, learning to fall asleep to gunshots in the place we got after the foreclosure. And if a revolution could be conceived that would only endanger those monsters and their children then we'd be having a different conversation, but it would mostly just make things even worse for families and kids like your 2008 self and for those that have it even worse than you did. That's why it's hard to cheer on a bloody conflict.
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Sep 4, 2020 12:15
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Bloody Hedgehog posted:At this point in hellworld, I don't think we'll ever truly get to the bloody revolution phase. im not sure which ones you gave in mind. like cbds might work, if you tried benzos you might get an army of furptute amnesiacs with no inhibitions whatsoever
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