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Wicked Them Beats posted:Just read the bill text: have to file for expungement and the DA has the right to object, so expect a number of counties to object to every single claim made under this bill. And the language for the judge making the decision is that the judge "may" expunge, not "shall," so expect a strong racial element in who gets relief since the judge can refuse to expunge on their own discretion. Dems can't just say "a felony conviction shall not be a disqualification for firefighting employment" they have to pass some wishy-washy poo poo that technically provides a complicated and unreliable path for some people in this situation to eventually be hired as firefighters, maybe.
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bawfuls posted:This is the "access to affordable X" of slave firefighting. It's like student debt forgiveness for pell grant recipients who start a business in a disadvantaged community for 3 years. 65 year old on the rocker who actually calls the drafters of the bill or whoever they call; WHAT IF A RAPJST BECOMES A FIREIFHGTER AH Therefore someone who drove 100mph cannot become one.
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Also nothing in the bill that favors or assists in getting hired, and it's not like you can fail to disclose where you got your firefighting experience, so better hope the fire chief wherever you're hoping for a job doesn't have an unofficial "no former convict firefighters in my station" rule. Imagine getting your record expunged, going through academy/exam, getting certified, and then just wasting away on the eligibility rolls because a bunch of fire chiefs are blacklisting any candidates from the prison fire crews. That's a real possibility here.
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Even my suggestion is stupid lib-brained bullshit, it should be illegal to discriminate in employment based on a felony conviction. If you've been incarcerated and released, you've paid your debt to society.
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The Four Californians, a comedy sketch where the characters share their ever-more-trenchant opinions of social matters. First one says former convict firefighters should have a chance to expunge their records, next one says all convicts should have that, next one says all convict labor is slavery, and the last one says anyone who tries to send anybody to jail should be sent to jail. first one says "but if you try to tell that to people anywhere else, they wouldn't believe you." all four shake their heads in sad agreement.
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Do we kinda sorta have a thread consensus on the props? https://ballotpedia.org/California_2020_ballot_propositions 14. Yes? Issues $5.5 billion in bonds for state stem cell research institute 15. Yes Requires commercial and industrial properties to be taxed based on market value and dedicates revenue 16. Yes Repeals Proposition 209 (1996), which says that the state cannot discriminate or grant preferential treatment based on race, sex, color, ethnicity, or national origin in public employment, education, or contracting 17. Yes Restores the right to vote to people convicted of felonies who are on parole. 18. Yes Allows 17-year-olds who will be 18 at the time of the next general election to vote in primaries and special elections 19. No? Changes tax assessment transfers and inheritance rules 20. No Makes changes to policies related to criminal sentencing charges, prison release, and DNA collection 21. Yes Expands local governments' power to use rent control. 22. No Considers app-based drivers to be independent contractors and enacts several labor policies related to app-based companies 23. Yes? Requires physician on-site at dialysis clinics and consent from the state for a clinic to close 24. ??? Expands the provisions of the California Consumer Privacy Act (CCPA) and creates the California Privacy Protection Agency to implement and enforce the CCPA 25. Yes Replaces cash bail with risk assessments for suspects awaiting trial
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Sydin posted:lmao gently caress off, we're talking about literal loving slave labor here and I'm not going to clap for them promising to maybe treat them a little better. The answer is not to improve the lot of slaves, it is to NOT HAVE loving SLAVES. I wasn't loving hopping up and down celebrating it. The prison system needs to be fully abolished and a full justice and reconciliation process to be developed. An abolition of modern day slavery without any reservations or compromises. This is unrelated to that entirely. It's a milquetoast capitulation to a naked injustice that nobody was opposing and it took political capital and lobbying to do anyway. Small things that are good don't paper over the big poo poo. But it also doesn't mean every small good thing is worthless.
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Why does every election need to have a dialysis proposition?
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Punkin Spunkin posted:Do we kinda sorta have a thread consensus on the props? There are some maybe good things (the law is maybe kinda toothless when enforced by the AG), some "eh" things (a lot of the provisions around the actual requirements seem more or less the same as the existing law, or are otherwise nothingburgers), and has some things that seem really questionable (making penalties immediate seems overly harsh--the current 45-day period with one extension is fine--and the carve-outs that exempt a bunch of classes of info are just wat). It seems to have a lot of agreeable not-astroturf opposition (ACLU, Color of Change), no EFF position either way, and little support (Andrew Yang and whatever "Common Sense" is), so I'm leaning "not worth baking into the constitution via a prop". The stuff it does could go through the legislature as needed.
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bawfuls posted:Why can't they just change whatever law prevents convicted felons from working as firefighters? Surely that would be simpler. While this change is an improvement on the status quo, it still means that each individual former-slave-firefighter has to jump through some bureaucratic hoops to get their record expunged before they can work as a firefighter. I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure from reading this whole process in AB-2147 that this isn't going to be just the felon filling out a form after they've served their time.
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CPColin posted:Why does every election need to have a dialysis proposition? because they're massive profit centers that drive up healthcare costs like crazy from the 2018 prop that got defeated: quote:THERE’S A NEW winner for the coveted title of most expensive ballot initiative campaign in American history. And it’s a race that’s been waged completely under the national radar.
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My uncle gets dialysis at a DaVita center. Horrible, uncomfortable seating, understaffed, dirty, his particular center had a broken window that they took something like six weeks to actually fix, and the list goes on. But that prop appears and DaVita suddenly finds tens of millions to run ads about the work they're doing and how they will have to murder my uncle if it passes. Apparently someone working at the center tried to talk him into voting no on the 2018 prop and he asked them if the money they were spending on defeating the prop was why they couldn't afford to fix the window. They stopped talking to him about it after that.
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I thought dialasys was like the only UHC we had, so wouldn't we be able to just price control them directly? Isn't the government the only customer? Or did that all change?
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Have you seen my apex seals? I seem to have lost them.
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You'd think so - but this is the problem with UHC for just one procedure. There's a monopoly on providers for that procedure, so the government can't negotiate prices and can't pay for alternatives (ie: transplants or preventative care.) Also, because the grift is good they are actively recruiting people for care they don't need, prolonging illness, or even causing it. John Oliver did a good summary of the lovely clusterfuck that is dialysis in the US: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yw_nqzVfxFQ For profit health care can get hosed
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political patriarch is told by the SF paper of record they can't take more than 35 of his columns in a year https://twitter.com/cmarinucci/status/1302030972074958848
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quote:But Newsom on Friday took action that will assist his former mentor by signing AB 2257, a bill passed by the Legislature in the final hours of the legislative session Monday to address the concerns of freelance writers, photographers and musicians who said their livelihoods were at danger. The bill takes effect immediately because it was written as an urgency measure and received two-thirds support. Seems good. Hopefully this helps that freelance goon although it apparently didn't help Willie
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The Wiggly Wizard posted:Seems good. Hopefully this helps that freelance goon although it apparently didn't help Willie Yep, this is the bill I've been organizing for. Never had a political win before, feels strange. Maybe I'll write 36 columns exploring it.
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Huego posted:Yep, this is the bill I've been organizing for. Never had a political win before, feels strange. Maybe I'll write 36 columns exploring it. Hey awesome 
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Huego posted:Yep, this is the bill I've been organizing for. Never had a political win before, feels strange. Maybe I'll write 36 columns exploring it. Congrats!
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Sep 5, 2020 20:23
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Hopefully the law now better fits the land.
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reposting from one of the weather threads. This is in Fresno FSK.Vox Nihili posted:Looks rough at the reservoir. The fire grew so quickly that everyone was cut off and trapped.
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Holy poo poo that's horrifying.
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At least that guy can look forward to getting royalties for his episode on I Shouldn't Be Alive.
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Not a fan of 14. It made sense in 2004, stem cell was untested new ground and the feds under Dubya's evangelical rule were not going to burn the cash for it no matter how much you ensured nobody was making abortions for the sake of harvesting embryos. Time has moved on, there is either enough science there for for-profit medicine to move things forward or not, and California's economy is rolling without paying people to create biotech jobs. I'm for 15, 17, and 18, and against 20. I'd like to support 25 for the Prison Reform Hat Trick, but ACLU and others are not happy with the government being the one to make a danger/flight risk assessment of a person though their concerns are being drowned by by bail bonds industry's messaging. I'm not sure who is qualified then, but the opposition blurb likely written by the bail industry is all alarmist about people using computer software and algorithms but I didn't read the bill to find that part. 23 is a no because it does not actually make me think dialysis is going to get any better. The last time we had a dialysis prop, it was to require them to reinvest a percentage of their profits on the service. This time it's a bill written by Health Labor that seems designed to boost the number of jobs available in Health Labor by requiring that there be an RN posted at every facility everywhere during business hours. Craptacular! fucked around with this message at 13:15 on Sep 6, 2020 |
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Punkin Spunkin posted:Do we kinda sorta have a thread consensus on the props? I pretty much agree with this except 15, 16 and 22. 15 and 22 I am pretty wishy washy on, I am a hard no on 16. Enigma89 fucked around with this message at 13:26 on Sep 6, 2020 |
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16 gets rid of something we know doesn't work very well, potentially opening to door for something we don't know will actually work at all, but it isn't as bold as to actually institute policies of preferential treatment. Ending a ban on preferential treatment doesn't actually require it be institutionalized immediately, so in the short term it's possible nothing changes. This is because a thing that did work (quotas) was shot down by a SCOTUS filled with Nixon appointees. As far as I can tell, 16's passage basically signals to agencies and departments, "hey, you think we need more diversity around the office? Go for it, this passage of law will back you up." Aside from which, any sort of real policy supporting that reverse discrimination against whites is good actually and can't be racist would cause the entire thing to get shot to hell by the Trump SCOTUS. It sort of depends on how much you feel government staffing should depend on merit. I'm softly for 16 though I could flip flop, as on most days I'm someone who thinks most government agencies shouldn't pay wages competitive to the private sector but should be a place where people overlooked by the private sector on merit can still find work (the exception is public health & safety, where underqualified hires could cost lives.) Craptacular! fucked around with this message at 14:07 on Sep 6, 2020 |
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It’s not even merit or whatever. Something like 16 acknowledges that poor people, who are more often minorities, have fewer opportunities to do things like unpaid internships, k-12 extracurriculars, etc, that make them more attractive to hiring. If the position that’s open looks better when someone has 500 hours of x under their belt, but x is only to be had by working for nothing, it is discriminatory and the modern version of the Lee Atwater quote.
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HelloSailorSign posted:It’s not even merit or whatever. I would rather see a focus in stamping out unpaid internships instead oft allowing the state to discriminate. If you want to expand opportunities in universities then force enrollment to expand. The UC system has turned into a luxury brand that boast about their low acceptance rate. These are gateways in the caste society that we have and they should be taking on more students that meet the minimum requirements. It's crazy to me that these universities aren't expanding their class sizes relative to population growth. I would rather see a completely merit based system and the focus to be spent to allow for more opportunities for people to learn and get experience applicable to jobs and positions. I am a mixed race person and I genuinely find prop 16 insulting and a dangerous slippery slope.
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A "completely merit-based" system is one that favors the status quo. This is just the same anti-affirmative-action argument we've been hearing for thirty years. poo poo, it was the point of Rise of the Meritocracy, which coined the word in the 50s.
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Trump wants to investigate California, and only California, for using the 1619 project in schools.
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I hope he finds California guilty and kicks it out of the Union.
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CPColin posted:I hope he finds California guilty and kicks it out of the Union. 
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Enigma89 posted:I would rather see a focus in stamping out unpaid internships instead oft allowing the state to discriminate. If you want to expand opportunities in universities then force enrollment to expand. The UC system has turned into a luxury brand that boast about their low acceptance rate. These are gateways in the caste society that we have and they should be taking on more students that meet the minimum requirements. It's crazy to me that these universities aren't expanding their class sizes relative to population growth. Turns out you can’t stamp out the unpaid internships and people salivate over “race blind” admission and hiring processes that oh whoops just so happens to impact minorities more, so weird?! I’m mixed ancestry too, is it time to start waving each other’s 23andMe results at each other to prove cred? It really loving sucks to be the token, but until society in general gets better, that’s what we got. The status quo is, at best, ignorantly classist, if not deliberately racist and classist (which is what it is).
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HelloSailorSign posted:Turns out you can’t stamp out the unpaid internships and people salivate over “race blind” admission and hiring processes that oh whoops just so happens to impact minorities more, so weird?! I agree with this. People don't enter the labor market on equal footing. The only way one 18 year old can have more "merit" than another is by access to opportunities that cost money and require social access. The kid who spends their high school years babysitting so mom can work isn't going to have anything to put on that first resume compared to the kid who got to do lots of extracurriculars. The summer job at Dairy Queen doesn't look nearly as meritorious as the summer job at dad's friend's bank. If a scale is crooked you counterbalance it. It's the only way to bring it back to the center.
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I'm not sure if it's been posted or not yet but Pete Rates the Props has his votes up, along with a quick summary explaining each one (no deep dive analysis yet). FWIW he's: Prop. 14 - NO Prop. 15 - YES Prop. 16 - YES Prop. 17 - YES Prop. 18 - YES Prop. 19 - NO Prop. 20 - NO Prop. 21 - YES Prop. 22 - NO Prop. 23 - NO Prop. 24 - NO Prop. 25 - YES
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Yeah. When you wind up putting ever higher standards and requirements on something, you continue to put it out of range of people who would probably do fine and maybe even better than those with supposed, “experience” because what people who hire tend to recognize is experience that was like theirs. In veterinary medicine, there are far more applicants than spots at the US and nearby schools. So, to decrease the numbers that the small admissions committees have to look through, the standards for those who make it in rise. Good, right? You’re admitting students who, instead of the 3.2 GPA undergrad of 20 years ago, you’re only admitting the 3.8. Instead of 20 years ago admitting those with 100 hours of veterinary experience, you’re admitting those with 1000 hours. That means they understand the profession, right? Eeehhhhhhhh You wind up having a student body filled with students capable of having loads of experience hours and super high GPAs. Right now, veterinary medicine is one of the whitest professions in the US, with about 90% white people. Meanwhile, any number of minority groups have been hugely involved with agriculture, ranching, etc.... and have little to no representation in the profession. Turns out that the jobs you can get to get that experience are either volunteer or starting at minimum wage, while you can work atMcDonalds and make more than minimum. When each dollar counts to keep you fed and housed, it’s an easy choice. When undergrad GPA comes from being able to study oodles and get additional help from tutors and essay writers, turns out trying to put yourself through undergrad working graveyards at the bar doesn’t lend itself to loads of veterinary experience nor to 4.0 GPAs, which are the things getting you into veterinary school. I mean, they could go to the Caribbean schools, but they are spitting out students with average debts of 250k+ while DVMs cap out just over 100k Salary, and probably after a decade of work and getting good.
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Huego posted:I agree with this. People don't enter the labor market on equal footing. The only way one 18 year old can have more "merit" than another is by access to opportunities that cost money and require social access. The kid who spends their high school years babysitting so mom can work isn't going to have anything to put on that first resume compared to the kid who got to do lots of extracurriculars. The summer job at Dairy Queen doesn't look nearly as meritorious as the summer job at dad's friend's bank. If a scale is crooked you counterbalance it. It's the only way to bring it back to the center. So what happens to poor whites that are stuck baby sitting instead of having sweet heart internships? Prop 16 doesn't do anything for them. If the scale is sitting on a slanted edge then that's why it's crooked, you don't move the scale you fix the edge. I genuinely find it disturbing that this is even on the ballot.
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Enigma89 posted:So what happens to poor whites that are stuck baby sitting instead of having sweet heart internships? Prop 16 doesn't do anything for them. "What about poor whites" and "I find affirmative action disturbing" are very popular opinions so I'm sure you can find the political movement that suits your needs.
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