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I made this twelve loving years ago gently caress you Greg Land. 
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Sep 4, 2020 03:44
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CBR is writing about it too. https://twitter.com/CBR/status/1301699212044832769?s=20 They have a pretty big audience I think.
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Sep 4, 2020 03:46
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Solenna posted:I made this twelve loving years ago gently caress you Greg Land. I don't care that much about him copying his own work, of course the majority of the "originals" were also trace jobs of other people's stuff.
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Sep 4, 2020 03:49
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Skwirl posted:I don't care that much about him copying his own work, of course the majority of the "originals" were also trace jobs of other people's stuff.
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Sep 4, 2020 04:07
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Solenna posted:I made this twelve loving years ago gently caress you Greg Land. What's up old school fellow Greg Land hater! That was a good thread, it was linked in his wiki entry for a while.
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Sep 4, 2020 04:21
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This was my favorite:
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Sep 4, 2020 06:40
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I honestly don't even really mind the tracing photos, I think it looks like poo poo, but it's not like some porn photographer who took the photo of that woman's O face is missing out on paid work drawing comic books because of it. And it's not like whatever magazine or website lost out on a sale or subscription because of the comic. But this one, he's stealing art from an artist who drew Aliens comics for the Aliens cover, the guy he stole from probably has work inside that book. That's just hosed. They want a new cover hire the original artist.
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Sep 4, 2020 10:01
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Dipshit could just trace stock models who are doing the poses he needs, then it wouldn't be super distracting where Captain America has Patrick Stewart's face in one panel and Harrison Ford's in the next.
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Sep 4, 2020 10:19
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Greg Land can draw anything as long as someone did it first.
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Sep 4, 2020 12:33
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That one Iron Man panel for which Land traced the "right in the feels" meme is still my favourite.
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Sep 4, 2020 12:33
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I know no one here's doing it, but I hate when people lump in Tim Bradstreet as a defense for Land's thievery. Bradstreet actually hires the people and takes his own photos of the stuff he's going to be drawing later.
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Sep 4, 2020 14:15
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Davros1 posted:I know no one here's doing it, but I hate when people lump in Tim Bradstreet as a defense for Land's thievery. Bradstreet actually hires the people and takes his own photos of the stuff he's going to be drawing later. Inevitably every artist that uses photo reference gets flack for it. Alex Maleev was put on blast for a minute until he proved he took all his reference photos himself.
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Sep 4, 2020 14:23
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More than just the theft, I think, is that Greg Land's art loving sucks. The guy steals from good artists and then makes it worse, that takes a real commitment to laziness.
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Sep 4, 2020 14:47
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JordanKai posted:That one Iron Man panel for which Land traced the "right in the feels" meme is still my favourite. Link?
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Sep 4, 2020 14:55
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i am begging the big two to stop trying to be movies and just let their comics look like drawings. society has progressed past the need for this.
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Sep 4, 2020 15:34
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They don't care. I brought up Land at every retailer summit and nobody gave a poo poo.
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Sep 4, 2020 16:02
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i dont think theres anything wrong with tracing in and of itself, alex ross makes no secret of his staging photos to reference and hes one of the most well regarded artists in the medium
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Sep 4, 2020 16:36
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Everyone who does any art that could be considered "realistic" uses photo reference. The good ones (Ross, Bradstreet, Maleev, Harris, etc.) take the reference themselves and actually know how to incorporate them in a fashion that doesn't look like a porn actress doing a flying orgasm towards Triple H.
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Sep 4, 2020 16:39
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site posted:i dont think theres anything wrong with tracing in and of itself, alex ross makes no secret of his staging photos to reference and hes one of the most well regarded artists in the medium i mean, tea. off the top of my head, so does hughes. but land is worse because he makes copies of copies, and literally frankensteins his xeroxes together with no rhyme or reason. like... what can he do successfully? color?
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Sep 4, 2020 17:01
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sliami posted:i mean, tea. off the top of my head, so does hughes. but land is worse because he makes copies of copies, and literally frankensteins his xeroxes together with no rhyme or reason. like... what can he do successfully? color? I think he once showed how he can cut a page together in literal minutes. He has thousands of pieces of art that he just pastes together and changes small details.
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Sep 4, 2020 17:03
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Wasn’t some of his old art like on Nightwing pretty good before he went full on crazy tracer?
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Sep 4, 2020 17:08
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So like a somewhat more competent Tim Buckley then.
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Sep 4, 2020 17:08
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Unmature posted:Wasn’t some of his old art like on Nightwing pretty good before he went full on crazy tracer? His Birds of Prey showed real talent. But he was caught tracing Scott McDaniel very early in his Nightwing run so he was clearly on his way to lazy paycheck town by then.
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Sep 4, 2020 17:10
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Rhyno posted:I think he once showed how he can cut a page together in literal minutes. He has thousands of pieces of art that he just pastes together and changes small details. That's actually pretty impressive. It's a pity the end result is so lovely.
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Sep 4, 2020 17:18
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site posted:i dont think theres anything wrong with tracing in and of itself, alex ross makes no secret of his staging photos to reference and hes one of the most well regarded artists in the medium When you think about it there's no difference between Leonardo da Vinci using a model to paint the Mona Lisa and Land tracing porn.
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Sep 4, 2020 17:27
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Can you please point out where I said such insane bullshit
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Sep 4, 2020 17:34
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There's a difference between tracing and using staged photo references.
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Sep 4, 2020 18:01
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Whoa, no poo poo??? Dropping huge knowledge on me right now. Why didn't you make such inane posts at davros or rhyno when they spoke about the same drat thing. Guess I should've quoted and saved myself from some dipshit calling up my rear end
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Sep 4, 2020 18:07
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You literally compared tracing with using photo references.
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Sep 4, 2020 18:19
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Alhazred posted:You literally compared tracing with using photo references. who cares
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Sep 4, 2020 18:22
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I think there's a tonal clash here and that both of you are essentially in agreement. Here's how I read this exchange:site posted:i dont think theres anything wrong with tracing in and of itself, alex ross makes no secret of his staging photos to reference and hes one of the most well regarded artists in the medium Here I think site is saying something really really straightforward-- that tracing or working off of references isn't bad in and of itself, and that a lot of good art uses those techniques. She cites Alex Ross, someone who famously works off of models, as an example. Alhazred posted:When you think about it there's no difference between Leonardo da Vinci using a model to paint the Mona Lisa and Land tracing porn. Alhazred then makes a jokey post that, in my mind, reiterates the exact same point-- that even though "models and references" is something that da Vinci and Land have in common, there's a huge gulf in quality and ethics between them. I don't know if Alhazred was backing up site in an irreverent way or misreading her post. I guess it depends on how you choose to read the "you." Either way there's essentially agreement about the basic point about working off a reference. I think everything past that is just miscommunication and high tensions so I want to try to walk this exchange back to the basic point that you both agree on. Edit: Ok so I think this is actually a pretty ungenerous reading of site's post Alhazred posted:You literally compared tracing with using photo references.
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Sep 4, 2020 18:34
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How Wonderful! posted:
Yeah, okay. I've got no interest in making anyone mad or contributing to any tension.
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Sep 4, 2020 18:39
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https://twitter.com/ray8fisher/status/1301949796081696769?s=19 Ray is dedicated to nailing Johns to the wall it seems, and along with any hopes of a Cyborg Solo film
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Sep 4, 2020 21:34
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McCloud posted:Ray is dedicated to nailing Johns to the wall it seems, and along with any hopes of a Cyborg Solo film Any hopes I had of a Cyborg Solo film being good died out long before now, so honestly this just seems like a win-win all around to me. But in all seriousness I hope this leads to less 'get booted out of hollywood entirely' and more 'Hey, now I work for Marvel'
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Sep 4, 2020 22:20
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Adam Warren is reposting a page of Empowered every day and providing some commentary for each page. Sometimes he talks about using photo references, especially for more complex poses or things like getting the grip on a two handed sword correct. And he's talked a lot about doing life drawing and copying photos for anatomy practice. The thing is, it's not super obvious in his comics which poses are referenced, he translates them into his own style instead of leaving it as a traced image. And the copied photos don't go into the comics as copied photos, they're actually practice to improve the rest of his art and that seems far less egregious to me. To me, you shouldn't be able to tell what was from a photo and what wasn't.
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Sep 4, 2020 22:44
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Yeah, Greg Land traces, which is a legitimate art technique, but he does it both poorly (the tracework completely dominates the style and it looks completely stitched together) and unethically (he is stealing the artistic work of other professionals). Most other tracers do it with professionalism and artistry, not to mention, ethically. I don't think Land's lazy so much that he's a hack. Dude has a lot of output and has built his career on doing what publishers want more than anything: being as fast as he can to put out pages on deadlines. And that moves the moral issue, I think, towards the publisher. Sort of a, "If you plagiarize one page, you're an art thief, if you repeatedly, regularly, and obviously plagiarize, you're working for art thieves." Marvel knows what he's doing and Marvel's okay with it. They're the ones who are really on the hook here.
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Sep 4, 2020 23:56
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KaosMachina posted:Any hopes I had of a Cyborg Solo film being good died out long before now, so honestly this just seems like a win-win all around to me. I've been a big fan of the DCEU output in general, so losing out on Cyborg would be a real heartache for me, especially considering that Ray has been explicit about portraying the character as a well rounded person of color (with all the challenges that entails) instead of a catchphrase, and the dearth of black superhero movies. If Marvel snatches him up then it will be their win and DC's loss.
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Sep 5, 2020 00:17
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Empowered is also gross as poo poo, so.
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Sep 5, 2020 00:42
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I thought I was losing my mind in the early 10's when sites like ComicsAlliance holding Empowered up as a non-exploitative sex comic, glad to see I'm not the only one.
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Sep 5, 2020 01:35
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I had no idea Johns was involved in that
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