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Xaris posted:not all of matts streams are good but this one just now was extremely on point talking about john brown and the lack of today, and the sin of self-rationalization https://twitch.tv/videos/730401565 it was really good, ended on a depressing note tho
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err posted:it was really good, ended on a depressing note tho I had to re-listen to the last minute again because I thought it was the first one in that either we get enough action to start the snowballing effect in unifying, or social conditions continue to deteriorate to a point beyond social unity; and not that the process would stop but it wouldn't be sufficient in time. who knows though, either outcome is likely and unpredictable.
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Xaris posted:I had to re-listen to the last minute again because I thought it was the first one in that either we get enough action to start the snowballing effect in unifying, or social conditions continue to deteriorate to a point beyond social unity; and not that the process would stop but it wouldn't be sufficient in time. who knows though, either outcome is likely and unpredictable. ah drat now i am confused. i hope you are right.
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Xaris posted:also caught up on ghost stories, it's good. im also in the same way that true crime loving sucks dick and is boring as poo poo but i would say the real difference is poo poo like jeffrey dahmer or w/e is mostly just boring and uninteresting disconnected whereas years of lead crime is more an actual socio-historically relevant and actual conspiratorial because there's strings going every which way and that's actually interesting. i dont think you have much to worry about becoming true-crime adjacent Reading up on serial killers is pretty instructive on how little of a poo poo cops give about minorities, sex workers, and queer people, seeing as most of the killers were so loving dumb that they only got away with it for so long because no effort at all was put into solving their murders.
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Xaris posted:yeah it wasn't good. it was just awkward all around. aw cheers mate. next one out soon, i'm getting the hang of this new workflow. italy is a trip, could have gone for another 50 eps about it. i agree with what justadamnfool says about how you can draw lessons from police/societal indifference to certain serial killers so there is a worthwhile aspect to certain "true crime" type events to discuss there...and i think with say, golden state killer, yorkshire ripper, and zodiac, there is enough evidence to suggest pretty damning corruption/bigotry/indifference on the part of the cops and media...but that's not the framing like, netflix or my fave murder take, they're just there to gawp at the blood and guts and cheer when the bad guy gets the chair or something.
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the conclusion to every unsolved murder thing should be "gently caress cops and gently caress the systems that made these people so precarious and at risk of murder" and this is the moral line you must pass luckily gsfteotw has already crossed that line, so rest happy comrade
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just finished the trueanon episodes on the cock bros and drat, the end of the second parter is holy poo poo. i don't think ive seen brace as angry and.. for lack of better word, doompilled to such a maximum at the end of doing that.
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Sep 4, 2020 09:25
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Yeah, Ames did some deep dives on them way back and the origin and success of the Koch's makes just about anyone think that evil is destined to win.
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What's all this about? https://twitter.com/wtyppod/status/1301942654050226177
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matt yglesias wrote some insane yellow peril trash book about how we need to start breeding more americans and importing immigrants so that the hated chinaman doesn’t take over the world. chapo made fun of it
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Sep 4, 2020 19:04
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are these the YIMBYs that were going wild about renter's rights and zoning laws
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Sep 4, 2020 19:20
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tired: podcast makes you learn about new york politics wired: podcast makes you learn about san francisco politics https://twitter.com/TrueAnonPod/status/1301557497409335297
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If u think about it unregulated finance capitalism is actually the most punk rock thing ever, fellow leftists. I love Gramski and all the other filthy hippies we read. Intersectionality
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THS posted:matt yglesias wrote some insane yellow peril trash book about how we need to start breeding more americans and importing immigrants so that the hated chinaman doesn’t take over the world. chapo made fun of it it was a very decent episode too, pretty funny and refreshingly common sensical
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V. Illych L. posted:it was a very decent episode too, pretty funny and refreshingly common sensical I like Chapo just fine, but their take on housing is exactly the same as the Bazingas' take on mass transit vs the hyperloop: just do nothing until the magic happens. It's a fun take to have when you live in Brooklyn, but gets frustrating in places where "do nothing" just means build more suburbs off the freeway. Edit: And, yes, Matty's book is insane.
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https://twitter.com/PALMAUNLlMITED/status/1302002874638127109 Dave Portnoy is probably about to be named ambassador to the UN.
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i have very limited understanding of american zoning laws, but my impression of cth's objection to YIMBY-ism is that they interpret it as a sort of deregulatory impulse - politics should retreat and let the force of nature that is the market fix it like, they don't seem to have opinions about zoning, they just think that the doctrines of the people with opinions about zoning are weird and creepy
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V. Illych L. posted:i have very limited understanding of american zoning laws, but my impression of cth's objection to YIMBY-ism is that they interpret it as a sort of deregulatory impulse - politics should retreat and let the force of nature that is the market fix it in america we have plenty of housing for everyone but no one can afford it and because liberals can't see class their only move is to double down and feed the market more empty towers
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V. Illych L. posted:i have very limited understanding of american zoning laws, but my impression of cth's objection to YIMBY-ism is that they interpret it as a sort of deregulatory impulse - politics should retreat and let the force of nature that is the market fix it There are so many different sub-tendencies in american housing policy politics that words like YIMBY and NIMBY are basically useless. Deciding that everyone who isn't a no-growth prusist is as dumb as matt yglesias is just kinda pointlessly mean and frustrating.
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V. Illych L. posted:i have very limited understanding of american zoning laws, but my impression of cth's objection to YIMBY-ism is that they interpret it as a sort of deregulatory impulse - politics should retreat and let the force of nature that is the market fix it There was an entire episode with one of the DSA co-chairs or whatever in SF about it. I don't remember enough about that episode, but it should answer about their specific views. But generally speaking the left argument against YIMBY-ism is essentially that this wave of YIMBYism is just about deregulation and creation of modern versions of company towns where it is all about building these large multiuse developments owned by some major corporation and aimed at creating "walkable" spaces for upper middle class people, rather than regulating and subsidizing things so that poor people have a place to live.
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to a foreigner, the bone they chose to pick seemed reasonable. i do not know and don't care to learn enough about this to be able to judge beyond this, but the issue of bad regulation is not always solved by deregulation
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StashAugustine posted:
I don't know if you're just starting it, but its the best. It really will gently caress you up though, and Epstein brain may make it hit twice as hard. I always think of Gull when liberals lazily assume that conservatives can be educated out of prejudice... I feel like that's maybe a holdover from the religious right years, where liberals assumed that conservatives were religious (and therefore stupid). 
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joepinetree posted:There was an entire episode with one of the DSA co-chairs or whatever in SF about it. There's nothing about YIMBY-ism that is agains subsidizing things and there's thing about it that limits it to single-owner people hives like you described. The reason that subsidized housing and rent-control aren't more common isn't because roving gangs of New Urbanists but because the left is just too small or too lovely at politics to get those policies passed. Blocking bike lanes and granny flats to stop gentrification and preventing cities from building apartments near train stops are easy to do because there are whole cadres of lovely right-wing people who also hate those things and are glad to pretend to be leftists for a day if it gets them what they want. It seems like there are a lot of people who believe that those types of people are actually allies and won't abandon them the moment the words "rent control" come into the conversation.
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Part of what really struck me about NIMBYs and YIMBYs is that they're both focused on "what's good for my neighborhood" just one side thinks development bad the other side development good. So we get constantly sucked into conversations about if/how to invest more money in the wealthier communities because "those are the only places developers want to build" while nearby poor communities languish with massive brownfields and no funding because you can't sell luxury condos as easily in minority majority zip codes, so neither NIMBYs or YIMBYs give a poo poo. The logic of "well the developers control things now, so we're at their whims" can't ever lead towards just housing policy regardless of if the people arguing for it want justice or not.
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https://twitter.com/mayavada/status/1301347241316106240 (dean preston is the socialist we got on the city's board of supervisors who has submitted a ballot measure to create ten thousand units thats a one and four zeroes of social housing, so obviously the yimbys are united against him)
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Liz fraznek is cancelled for transphobia re: women's shoulders smdh
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Trabisnikof posted:The logic of "well the developers control things now, so we're at their whims" can't ever lead towards just housing policy regardless of if the people arguing for it want justice or not. Yeah ultimately YIMBYism is putting the cart before the horse. Changing zoning laws and building more housing without measures like rent control in affect first is just giving real-estate developers free reign to gentrify even more.
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Humane housing policy is impossible as long as real estate as the one form of wealth still accessible to middle class people. Hth Anyone telling you different is running a grift
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Cnidaria posted:Yeah ultimately YIMBYism is putting the cart before the horse. Changing zoning laws and building more housing without measures like rent control in affect first is just giving real-estate developers free-reign to gentrify even more. a good example is a lot of pressure from yimbys is for publicly owned lots to be sold/handed over to private developers to build apartments ontop of (such as those owned by BART) because turning over city land to developers is ok because again any housing is good, often with only miniscule concessions like 10 "market-rate/below-market rate" units for 200 luxury units. there's probably some truth to that on a long-enough timeline (well aside from climate change and everything is going to upturn everything as we know it in the coming decades, but that side assuming infinite time...) but that also doesn't help people now or near future and really solves very little other than giving well-off tech people and rich elite more options to choose from. not to mention mostly just backfills from pent-up demand. in general though getting zoning laws out of the hands of private fiefdom and local elite HOA-esque boomers who complain that replacing a 1-story tracthouse with a 6-story apartment would reduce "muh street parking and cast a shadow on my land" is good on it's own, if only because boomer tears are good, but also accomplishes very little. the real answer is just abolishing private property and starting the California Housing Authority agency which owns its own fleet of cranes, equipment, cement and material foundries, labor force, maintenance units, and rental management all in-house and just takes over property, tears down everything and builds and leases at-cost to no-cost for everyone but lol that ain't happening
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Cnidaria posted:Yeah ultimately YIMBYism is putting the cart before the horse. Changing zoning laws and building more housing without measures like rent control in affect first is just giving real-estate developers free-reign to gentrify even more. But that's not the choice we need to make. This isn't a black and white no-growth vs purestrain libertarianism decision. It's possible to plan a city so that progress can be made along multiple fronts and protect vulnerable groups - so long as the good people aren't wasting all of their time protecting strip malls and tacitly making the choice that a neighborhood that gets gentrified through flipping singling family homes is more moral than one that allows apartments to be built. People are basically letting the fact that Virgil Texas thinks it's funny to make a jerk-off motion while saying the word YIMBY drive their thought process on housing policy. That's kinda lovely.
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The value of a building is mostly in it's land and the frame, those are the expensive parts. "Luxury" housing is just a cheap veneer over that which means that it will always be more profitable to have expensive rentals than cheap ones. This is a major roadblock to just building more housing.
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Weembles posted:People are basically letting the fact that Virgil Texas thinks it's funny to make a jerk-off motion while saying the word YIMBY drive their thought process on housing policy. That's kinda lovely. Seems like people have legit and concrete issues with YIMBYs and you want to dismiss them as jerking-off by waving your hand and saying “ah ha, YIMBYism could mean something completely different than the way it is now.” Like who cares that maybe theoretically YIMBYism could promote housing policies that are good when instead they’re palling around with CATO and more often than not toeing the exact developer line.
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Man I am far too stupid for this nimby yimby poo poo
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If you want to hear chapo's actual opinions on YIMBYism and solutions to the issue of housing then go back and listen to episode 197 where they actually discuss it in-depth with a DSA person who lives in San Francisco
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Cnidaria posted:If you want to hear chapo's actual opinions on YIMBYism and solutions to the issue of housing then go back and listen to episode 197 where they actually discuss it in-depth with a DSA person who lives in San Francisco she also tweeted about it https://twitter.com/uhshanti/status/1301957852693585920?s=21
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