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disaster pastor posted:Literally the only bad thing about this book is that it's the start of Scholastic forcing KAA to alternate Tobias and Ax books instead of each of them getting a book in each "cycle." Ax and Tobias both only have one bad book apiece, but while Marco has a couple that are filler every one of his outside those massively advances the plot so I think I have to give the trophy to him. At the least, none of them are poor Rachel. Also god I forgot how strong this book is looking back. It's so excellent.
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# ? Sep 6, 2020 03:44 |
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Tree Bucket posted:That's really interesting. I wonder what the rationale was? "hey now, as if kids are gonna relate to characters who feel isolated from their families and different from their peers!" Pretty much. I think it was something like Scholastic figured kids could relate to other kids like them than an alien and a kid who's now a hawk.
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# ? Sep 6, 2020 03:49 |
One’s an alien, one’s a hawk. They fight crime.
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# ? Sep 6, 2020 04:38 |
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I'm struggling to imagine what's going inside a children's book publisher's head to think that kids wouldn't be interested in reading about bird boy and an alien. Maybe no-one at Scholastic had ever met a child?
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# ? Sep 6, 2020 05:24 |
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Epicurius posted:Pretty much. I think it was something like Scholastic figured kids could relate to other kids like them than an alien and a kid who's now a hawk. well, I guess the best thing you could say is at least they didn't lump 'girl/black/latino' in there too
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# ? Sep 6, 2020 06:14 |
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Mazerunner posted:well, I guess the best thing you could say is at least they didn't lump 'girl/black/latino' in there too Yea. I guess they figured girls/blacks/latinos might read the book, but hawks and aliens probably wouldn't. It's pretty dumb.
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# ? Sep 6, 2020 06:47 |
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Publishers are dipshits. They also held (and maybe still do) that girls will read books about boys, but boys won't read books about girls. Meanwhile Northern Lights (and in Australia, the Tomorrow series) was a critical and commercial smash hit. Kids don't actually give a poo poo about marketing or demographics or whatever, they just read what they like. Authors know what they're doing; publishers are basically just marketing and PR suits. Also jeez - I know it's a kid's book, but that last chapter, boy howdy, the Animorphs sure are the product of an American middle school history curriculum.
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# ? Sep 6, 2020 07:42 |
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there is something very charmingly naive about the belief that humanity would or could not act as a conquering plague given enough technological advancement. but the sentiment of the ending is both believable enough coming from them, and kind and hopeful enough, that i can accept it. looking forward to the next book. i remember a lot of little bits and pieces of these books, but cassie's characterisation of nature as "blood red" instead of green in particular really stuck in my brain.
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# ? Sep 6, 2020 08:51 |
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disaster pastor posted:Literally the only bad thing about this book is that it's the start of Scholastic forcing KAA to alternate Tobias and Ax books instead of each of them getting a book in each "cycle." I thought I remembered an interview she gave back in the day that it was her idea, because she didn't think people would be able to relate to a space alien and someone trapped in a bird form. Turns out they really, really did, so they were going to break them apart after the next cycle or so (I assume after they published the backlog of already written books). But maybe it's been too many decades so I am conflating them now?
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# ? Sep 6, 2020 09:11 |
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I remember it being Scholastic but maybe it was her. On an unrelated note I was googling to try to find such an interview, and instead came upon a list of Tobias' morphs which triggered a memory of what happens when he has to acquire a dolphin which I remember being one of the best comic set pieces in the series
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# ? Sep 6, 2020 11:10 |
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If you give Humans spaceships and FTL, we definitely won't be as bad as the yeerks. We'll be even worse.
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# ? Sep 6, 2020 12:22 |
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Radio Free Kobold posted:If you give Humans spaceships and FTL, we definitely won't be as bad as the yeerks. We'll be even worse. There's a series of Tumblr posts somewhere imagining humans as basically the weirdest things in the galaxy and how other lifeforms struggle to comprehend human nature. It's full of stuff like "humans can and will bond with anything. Please provide them with a safe pet or else they will get mauled attempting to cuddle predatory animals." Or an excerpt about a human ship crashing on an inhospitable planet and the local aliens write it off as a total loss. Another human ship comes by asking about it and goes to check up, later reporting that 40% of the crew survived by using the wreckage as shelter and components to start a mini-farm and the aliens being flabbergasted by it. It's all very sorta optimistic and hopeful, which I kinda prefer to the truth that yeah, humans will gently caress up a lot of stuff in the name of expansion and resources
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# ? Sep 6, 2020 13:04 |
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look, that planet had space
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# ? Sep 6, 2020 21:48 |
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Radio Free Kobold posted:If you give Humans spaceships and FTL, we definitely won't be as bad as the yeerks. We'll be even worse. This is why I say that it strikes me as somewhat odd that somewhere along the line the Yeerks didn't realize humanity's true destructive potential with the right tools at their disposal and just try to make a full proper ally out of them. Humans are gullible as poo poo and love a good war against a sufficiently mythologized boogeyman, and it would take basically zero effort for the Yeerks to go "Hey, so there's this evil race of psychic blue elf centaurs with scorpion tails out there and they basically genocided our race for having the temerity to simply exist alongside them. They're coming here and they're going to turn this planet into a glass parking lot because they see humanity as potential rival and this is what they do when they perceive a threat to their galactic hegemony, just ask the last species they tried to genocide--us." And people would be RUNNING to the recruitment booths like it was loving Starship Troopers.
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# ? Sep 6, 2020 21:57 |
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Gee, I wonder why a kids book about aliens trying to take over the human race doesn't take the position, "You know, really, humanity is an aggressive plague, and we should be destroyed so we don't enslave the galaxy.", and have its protagonists argue for it?
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# ? Sep 6, 2020 22:05 |
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nine-gear crow posted:This is why I say that it strikes me as somewhat odd that somewhere along the line the Yeerks didn't realize humanity's true destructive potential with the right tools at their disposal and just try to make a full proper ally out of them. Humans are gullible as poo poo and love a good war against a sufficiently mythologized boogeyman, and it would take basically zero effort for the Yeerks to go "Hey, so there's this evil race of psychic blue elf centaurs with scorpion tails out there and they basically genocided our race for having the temerity to simply exist alongside them. They're coming here and they're going to turn this planet into a glass parking lot because they see humanity as potential rival and this is what they do when they perceive a threat to their galactic hegemony, just ask the last species they tried to genocide--us." On the other hand, brain-controlling slugs aren't the most...nongross ambassadors?
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# ? Sep 6, 2020 23:19 |
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Plus I don't think they just want to beat the andalites, they also want hosts. Life as a Yeerk is pretty miserable without hosts.
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# ? Sep 6, 2020 23:21 |
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Openly negotiating and lying through the metaphorical teeth is only one option. Being honest about what you want is another - "Hello, we are aliens, we want to purchase slaves from you. Can we make a deal?" could very well be met with "what do you have to offer?". Problem could be the Yeerk empire psych - talking ain't the first option, not when conquest or infiltration could do. e: of course, considering what happened last time they saw a primitive culture being uplifted (namely, themselves), might makes them wary about giving anybody things.
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# ? Sep 6, 2020 23:39 |
I don't think it's a stretch to say the Yeerks enjoy subjugation either.
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# ? Sep 6, 2020 23:46 |
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Lol slavery is still legal in the states, it's an easy sell to just hand over prisoners and other undesirables to be taken over by yeerks in exchange for technology and an alliance "If he didn't want to be taken over by that slug he shouldn't have done those drugs"
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# ? Sep 6, 2020 23:54 |
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:I don't think it's a stretch to say the Yeerks enjoy subjugation either. yeah it's basically you've got this slave permanently in 'your' head every second mentally screaming at you if you start to emphasize with them, well, sure you can try to be a 'nice' master but eventually you hit the wall of "Holy poo poo, I'm a monster for doing this" but the yeerks that are cruel and enjoy the suffering just keep on. and then they're ruthless enough to cut-throat advance through the ranks, creating and enforcing a culture of violence, backstabbing and self-interest even with the nicer yeerks
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# ? Sep 6, 2020 23:56 |
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Book 9:The Secret-Chapter 1quote:My name is Cassie. Are people really picking up the series for the first time now? Do we really need to go through this every single time? quote:We’re only supposed to use our power for fighting the Yeerks. But there are times when it comes in handy for other things. We know that whenever they morph into something for non-Yeerk fighting reasons, something goes wrong. Any guesses on what it's going to be this time? Chapter 2 quote:The rat’s eyes weren’t any better than my own. In fact, they weren’t quite as good. Like lots of animals I’ve been, the eyes were better at seeing movement than at seeing colors and shapes. Nothing was moving, so my vision was kind of, I don’t know … kind of dull. There we go. The problem was idiots. quote:Two of them. Two guys playing around. Two jerks looking for something to break or destroy. Jake's going to be pissed. But those boys deserved it.
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# ? Sep 6, 2020 23:58 |
Interesting bit of foreshadowing there. You could squash one under your foot and it would be helpless to stop you. This is exactly Visser One's eventual fate
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# ? Sep 7, 2020 00:02 |
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Epicurius posted:Gee, I wonder why a kids book about aliens trying to take over the human race doesn't take the position, "You know, really, humanity is an aggressive plague, and we should be destroyed so we don't enslave the galaxy.", and have its protagonists argue for it? Yeah, even I wouldn't be that downcast about it, I just thought it was amusing that the Animorphs take a full Braveheart freeeeeeedom view of their species. Applegate herself doesn't exactly go full Howard Zinn about it, but she definitely ends up presenting a more nuanced view than Yeerks = bad, Andalites = good as the series progresses.
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# ? Sep 7, 2020 00:20 |
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I mean, they're 90s kids, they're at the end of history and things are looking up.
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# ? Sep 7, 2020 00:43 |
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Gun Jam posted:Openly negotiating and lying through the metaphorical teeth is only one option. Being honest about what you want is another - "Hello, we are aliens, we want to purchase slaves from you. Can we make a deal?" could very well be met with "what do you have to offer?". This is basically the plot of the Torchwood "Children of Earth" arc which as I recall stands up very well on its own without familiarity with the rest of the TV show.
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# ? Sep 7, 2020 01:36 |
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Gun Jam posted:Openly negotiating and lying through the metaphorical teeth is only one option. Being honest about what you want is another - "Hello, we are aliens, we want to purchase slaves from you. Can we make a deal?" could very well be met with "what do you have to offer?".
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# ? Sep 7, 2020 02:40 |
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SardonicTyrant posted:To be fair, they don't know humans that well, even up to this point in the series, so they wouldn't realize our leaders absolutely would sell us out for power. Imagine what would happen if the Yeerks rolled up to Donald Trump and promised to guarantee him a second term.
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# ? Sep 7, 2020 02:48 |
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Piell posted:Imagine what would happen if the Yeerks rolled up to Donald Trump and promised to guarantee him a second term. <Iniss, I've found a new host for you. You're going to be President starting tomorrow.> "But... My Visser... Isn't--" <Yes.>
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# ? Sep 7, 2020 02:50 |
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Piell posted:Imagine what would happen if the Yeerks rolled up to Donald Trump and promised to guarantee him a second term. Yeerk rolling into Trump's brain: <By the Council, it...it's so empty...>
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# ? Sep 7, 2020 13:10 |
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Skypie posted:Yeerk rolling into Trump's brain: <By the Council, it...it's so empty...> <It's completely smooth, where are the crevices for me to sink into?>
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# ? Sep 7, 2020 21:22 |
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Book 9: The Secret-Chapter 3quote:That evening, everyone came over. We usually hook up at the Wildlife Rehabilitation Clinic. Also known as my barn. First, Spider-man couldn't beat Batman. Also, this is kind of prophetic. The book came out in July, 1997. In October 1997, Marvel and DC came out with a Spider-man/Batman team up comic. quote:That would be Jake. And Homer, his dog. Homer is not allowed in the barn. Being a dog, Homer believes small animals are meant to be chased. Tobias, knowing how to make an entrance. quote:It was a red-tailed hawk. Mostly brown on its back, a lighter, mottled brown and tan beneath. The bird took its name from its tail feathers, which were the color of rust. Kind of clever of the Yeerks. They know that there's some connection between the Andalites and the forest, especially after Ax's attempt to assassinate Visser Three, so they're tackling the problem at the source. Book 9: The Secret-Chapter 4 quote:“The Yeerks are right there in our forest. Fine,” Rachel said with her usual enthusiasm for anything dangerous. “Let’s go take a look.” It's a good question, and one Marco should think about. quote:“If we’re going to take a look at this place, we can’t show up there in a big group,” Jake said. Since we were talking about bad leadership before, I guess its good to point out that this is a sign of good leadership....to know the strengths and weaknesses of your team and plan accordingly. quote:Ten minutes later, Marco and I were walking across the far fields of my farm, wading through tall grass toward the edge of the forest. Wolves like to run. And with that, we're off on the actual plot.
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# ? Sep 8, 2020 01:14 |
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Spiderman would wreck batman
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# ? Sep 8, 2020 02:18 |
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please, this is the animorphs thread, show some respect and limit yourselves to just bats vs spiders
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# ? Sep 8, 2020 03:14 |
What kind of spider because I feel like most bats would beat most spiders
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# ? Sep 8, 2020 03:15 |
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Batman sucks, Jake is a cop
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# ? Sep 8, 2020 03:30 |
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I think radioactivity might give the spider an edge.
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# ? Sep 8, 2020 04:44 |
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Apropos of nothing, can Ax use thought speak in human morph? I don't see why he wouldn't be able to but I don't actually remember it ever coming up, and it seems like it could be useful in some situations.
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# ? Sep 8, 2020 06:27 |
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QuickbreathFinisher posted:Apropos of nothing, can Ax use thought speak in human morph? I don't see why he wouldn't be able to but I don't actually remember it ever coming up, and it seems like it could be useful in some situations. the books we've seen so far say that he can't but yeah, it doesn't really make sense to me that he loses that ability in human morph given that the logic for the kids is that they can't use it when they're not morphed while being human is a morph for Ax (and thought speech his normal mode of communication anyway) i guess they either just didn't think of it that way, or like the tension provided by him not being able to do it while in his human morph or something
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Its the rules ok
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