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Imagine there is good trek in tyool 2020 Just how much suffering we had to endure for a good trek show.
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Sep 6, 2020 22:56
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Arglebargle III posted:CBS really hosed up by letting someone who cares about Star Trek near a Trek show. Thing is, it being an explicitly Trek show I think also drags it down a little bit. Trek aside, it's a watered down Rick and Morty - which is not a criticism, R&M often takes things way too far and ends up being a self indulgent mess, while Lower Decks has managed to keep the tone just about right. But the constant cramming in of Trek references and the fact that the characters make no sense in that universe keeps drawing attention to itself and is distracting in an otherwise dumb but fun little show. I wish the universe was some bootleg trek knockoff instead so they could focus on the actual stories more. Still the best ST branded thing in decades, not that that's particularly high praise.
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Sep 6, 2020 23:03
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I definitely don't have a problem with "watered down rick & morty" if that means skipping the excessive gross-out humor or needlessly offensive just-to-be-edgy stuff. Besides we already have R&M for people who want that. I don't see a problem with these characters in a Trek universe. It's a big universe -- not everyone needs to be perfectly competent, noble, and an example for everyone else. It makes me think a bit of Banks' Culture novels... that usually focus on folks that don't quite fit in to the mainstream of their utopian post-scarcity society -- because the people that do are not as interesting or relatable... I don't mind little references to other Trek stuff -- why not? Their target audience is people already into Trek, so this stuff seems fine -- I don't think I catch all the little references or visual gags, but that's okay too. I do hope we get some characters arcs or development, because while on one hand I firmly believe the stakes don't need to be "save the universe" constantly, I prefer at least some lightweight continuity or story progression, not just sitcom-y reset it all every episode stuff.
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Sep 7, 2020 02:47
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Pastamania posted:Thing is, it being an explicitly Trek show I think also drags it down a little bit. Trek aside, it's a watered down Rick and Morty - which is not a criticism, R&M often takes things way too far and ends up being a self indulgent mess, while Lower Decks has managed to keep the tone just about right. But the constant cramming in of Trek references and the fact that the characters make no sense in that universe keeps drawing attention to itself and is distracting in an otherwise dumb but fun little show. I wish the universe was some bootleg trek knockoff instead so they could focus on the actual stories more. Which characters make no sense in the universe? Also I 100% believe people would refer to the Ent-D crew nonstop I mean they are basically the rockstars of the Federation.
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Sep 7, 2020 02:49
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socialsecurity posted:Which characters make no sense in the universe? Also I 100% believe people would refer to the Ent-D crew nonstop I mean they are basically the rockstars of the Federation. I didn't even blink at that guy's password being Riker. Ronald Emmanuel Docent Jr. is absolutely the kind of huge dingus who would do that.
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Sep 7, 2020 03:10
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I watched one guy talk about all the Trek references in Lower Decks and now youtube won't stop recommending me Overlord DVD videos.
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Sep 7, 2020 04:24
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You should probably just block the channel since that guy's like a legit white supremacist nazi.
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Sep 7, 2020 04:30
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socialsecurity posted:Which characters make no sense in the universe? Also I 100% believe people would refer to the Ent-D crew nonstop I mean they are basically the rockstars of the Federation. In moderation the references are funny and I laughed hard at the "Q on Captain Picard day" one but half of it needs to be replaced by either way deeper cuts or completely fabricated future/alien histories.
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Sep 7, 2020 04:37
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Watched the first two episodes. The pilot moves wayyy too fast but the second episode seems much improved. I laughed pretty hard at Rutherford somehow causing 105% casualties in his bridge simulation.
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Sep 7, 2020 05:12
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xerxus posted:You should probably just block the channel since that guy's like a legit white supremacist nazi. Yea, I wish I could. I watch youtube almost exclusively on my ps4 and there's no way to do that there. Also I did some looking around and he's also the source of a lot of the "Disney bringing back George Lucas to fix star wars" and "Captain marvel failure! Brie Larsen fired!" kind of stories.
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Sep 7, 2020 06:49
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twistedmentat posted:Yea, I wish I could. I watch youtube almost exclusively on my ps4 and there's no way to do that there. Also I did some looking around and he's also the source of a lot of the "Disney bringing back George Lucas to fix star wars" and "Captain marvel failure! Brie Larsen fired!" kind of stories. Isn't blocking done at the account level? Just log into Youtube on a browser real quick and block the channel and it'll carry over to your PS4  Assuming you're logged in, anyway. Edit: actually wait, can you even block/ignore a channel on Youtube?
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Sep 7, 2020 07:00
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Drone posted:Isn't blocking done at the account level? Just log into Youtube on a browser real quick and block the channel and it'll carry over to your PS4 You can use browser extensions to block a channel from being recommended to you on pc, which is what I assume people recommend. But blocking a channel just prevents them from commenting on your videos. Youtube is still going to think after watching SarahZ's video on why Ben Shapiro wanting to debate people is dumb and he's a bad debater, it will fill your recommendations with "Ben Shapiro destroys SJWs with logic and facts!" garbage. I've been thinking that overt trek references will calm down after a while.
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Sep 7, 2020 07:06
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Drone posted:Isn't blocking done at the account level? Just log into Youtube on a browser real quick and block the channel and it'll carry over to your PS4 On my PC, I get an option that's something like "Don't recommend this channel." As a non-conservative guy who watches videos about firearms, let me tell you... this is a lifesaver.
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Sep 7, 2020 07:10
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tarlibone posted:On my PC, I get an option that's something like "Don't recommend this channel." You just need one channel, because Cody is a cool dude.
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Sep 7, 2020 07:13
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You can also remove a video from your view history and that also, I believe, pulls it out of The Algorithm (tm) as well. (I manage a corporate Youtube account and spend a decent amount of time watching random poo poo on Youtube while logged in with it, and pruning the view history seems to keep that account's algorithm recommendations firmly in-line with other channels like ours)
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Sep 7, 2020 07:13
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Quinton posted:I definitely don't have a problem with "watered down rick & morty" if that means skipping the excessive gross-out humor or needlessly offensive just-to-be-edgy stuff. Besides we already have R&M for people who want that. Yeah I don't need plot development but I do want at least internal character arcs. The reason I thought this last episode was dire was because it's yet another 'Mariner is awful, suffers no consequences' story where nobody learns anything and there is no point. It was interesting to find out that the showrunner comes from the Rick and Morty writers room, because there's very light elements of R&M around the edges but a full blown rejection of the way that Harmon breaks a story down.
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Sep 7, 2020 11:15
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tarlibone posted:As a non-conservative guy who watches videos about firearms, let me tell you... this is a lifesaver. Same but conspiracy theories. I just wish YouTube would let me directly tell it some things I do and don't want to be recommended.
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Sep 7, 2020 12:38
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feedmyleg posted:Same but conspiracy theories. I just wish YouTube would let me directly tell it some things I do and don't want to be recommended. I managed the case of bullshit videos in my recomm list by manually clicking 'do not recommend' and 'not interested' on these channels with a few likes on the videos I do like. Youtube wants you to watch as many ads as you can so no way they will implement anything so sensible as focused interests
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Sep 7, 2020 14:54
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FlamingLiberal posted:Watched the first two episodes. The pilot moves wayyy too fast but the second episode seems much improved. I laughed pretty hard at Rutherford somehow causing 105% casualties in his bridge simulation. It was a temporal rift, so he probably killed Tasha again, or some people more than once
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Sep 7, 2020 15:04
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AntherUslessPoster posted:I managed the case of bullshit videos in my recomm list by manually clicking 'do not recommend' and 'not interested' on these channels with a few likes on the videos I do like. Oh yeah, same. I just mean that YouTube tells me topics it thinks I'm interested in at the top of my recommendations, but doesn't allow me to add or remove categories—I don't see how that would get in the way of me watching ads. That's the job of the 5 ad blockers I have. I'm honestly thinking about creating a second YouTube account just to get a fresh set of recommendations because right now they just show me the same stuff over and over again.
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Sep 7, 2020 15:50
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Mal-3 posted:Treknology nerds Trekyards scored an interview with LDS showrunner Mike McMahan, asking a bunch of questions about the Cerritos: I wonder if they have a whole 3D model of the ship interior or if they have more of a 3D model of a bunch of sets for the ship.
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Sep 7, 2020 17:00
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feedmyleg posted:Oh yeah, same. I just mean that YouTube tells me topics it thinks I'm interested in at the top of my recommendations, but doesn't allow me to add or remove categories—I don't see how that would get in the way of me watching ads. That's the job of the 5 ad blockers I have. You don't get the three dots next to the video titles that gives you a drop down options box?  Clicking "not interested" and "do not recommend channel" on lovely videos made a HUGE difference on my YT browsing and I can imagine it'd be nigh unbearable otherwise. Maybe log on with a PC so you can hit "do not recommend" on all the most annoying channels?
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Sep 7, 2020 17:10
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:You don't get the three dots next to the video titles that gives you a drop down options box? I only get the top 3 options, the bottom ones are missing.
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Sep 7, 2020 17:21
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feedmyleg posted:I'm honestly thinking about creating a second YouTube account just to get a fresh set of recommendations because right now they just show me the same stuff over and over again. This is what I do. You can create "Channels" without registering a new email. It's also simple to switch between Channels on the PS4.
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Sep 7, 2020 17:21
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Nullsmack posted:I wonder if they have a whole 3D model of the ship interior or if they have more of a 3D model of a bunch of sets for the ship. He's probably had complete deckplans drawn for the last two years in prep.
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Sep 7, 2020 17:31
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DaveKap posted:It's like if American Dad had 5 jokes per episode that were just references to episodes of Family Guy. It's like there's no pop culture inside the universe of the show except for other Trek shows. It's like if Picard saw the Kurlan naiskos and instead of saying "from the workshop of the master of Tarquin Hill" he said "from the time James Tiberius Kirk met that alien race of sex robots." Without detracting from the argument that fan service references are going to be played out really quickly if they’re not sprinkled in more carefully and less obviously, I don’t think just making up canon non-TV-episode references would work for jokes at all. In my mind, what’s funny about a reference (and take funny with a grain of salt) is that it’s humorously comparing the current situation to something else the viewer is familiar with. Picard’s line isn’t meant to generate any emotion from the viewer so he can basically reference anything and we just take it at face value that it’s a real thing that he knows about because he’s a really smart guy. If you insert a non-TV reference into Mariner’s dumb “what is this” thing it just sounds stupid. Like “ooh I’m surrounded by spears who am I, admiral Brozan on Klavdia III??” which makes no sense to us behind the fourth wall. The only way to set that up would then be to do a “hey lt. lois, remember the time admiral brozan got surrounded by spears on klavdia III?” cutaway gag.
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Sep 7, 2020 18:08
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDkNce1DApI I never made the connection that the Cerritos and the Vancouver have the same warp nacelles and the Cerritos is missing the housing.
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Sep 7, 2020 18:09
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I hated the Cerritos the first time I saw it. I like it far better now after seeing it in action, but I really like the Vancouver. I still dislike the Discovery. I appreciate that it comes from the concept art for TMP/Phase 2, but it just looks like a D7 with a saucer on it to me. The color's wrong, the size and proportions are wrong, everything.
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Sep 8, 2020 02:03
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So I didn't notice anyone else in the thread asking this, but when Zhaban said "they killed the alarm" was he talking about Number One? Please tell me that the best boy in Starfleet is okay 
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Sep 8, 2020 02:38
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MichiganCubbie posted:I hated the Cerritos the first time I saw it. I like it far better now after seeing it in action, but I really like the Vancouver. I think the pylons connecting the saucer to the nacelles are still way too long, but it would probably look too much like a Miranda if you shortened them and I get that the ship looking goofy is probably part of the joke. It’s definitely grown on me since I first saw it though. The Vancouver is nearly perfect for a post-TNG design, I just don’t like the stupid extended impulse engines. I don’t like Lower Decks and tbh I don’t really see the appeal, but credit where credit is due when it comes to the ship designs so far.
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Sep 8, 2020 02:56
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if there was one thing that would be nice would be to maybe pull back a bit of Mariner's manic energy, I like it from Tendi because she is just super overwhelmed by all the new things she is experiencing but with Mariner it is just exhausting to watch. The references are whatever, but again I think any issue I have with them is that the majority come from Mariner and not any of the other characters. We are already halfway through the first season and I feel that the only character that we really know anything about is Mariner, any other information about Tendi, Rutherford, or Boimler is set dressing and, in a way, isn't anything beyond surface level. Rutherford is a cyborg, his enhancements make him better at things he is already really good at and also bring out some of his other tendencies that aren't great (social skills). Tendi wants everyone to like her and can't stand it when people don't, loves everything about space and is also pretty good at science and engineering stuff. Boimler is a stick-in-the-mud and a slave to regulation, also a bit of a kiss rear end since that's what he thinks will get him promoted. Outside of Boimler we don't really know anything about half of the established cast and what we do know about Boimler seems to have really only come about by force from Mariner, Mariner is the one dominating all of the development, not helped by the fact that the captain is also her mother. The show has already given us a nice dynamic cast to go through but we don't get to learn about them. Having not watched Discovery I can't say but this was a pretty big problem in Picard, we went an entire season and we didn't really learn a whole lot about the main cast and what few individual moments we did get were surface-level or really cheap, such as Raffi speaking with her estranged son. I mean, it's not hard to explore the background of other characters so it is kind of frustrating that that hasn't happened yet
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Sep 8, 2020 04:17
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Aces High posted:We are already halfway through the first season and I feel that the only character that we really know anything about is Mariner And we haven't even gotten to the big reveal about how she watched dozens of her fellow Academy graduates die horribly at the hands of the Jem'Hadar, due to a bad decision she made on the very first away mission under her command as a brand-new Lieutenant. You see, that's the real reason why she refuses to advance in rank and sabotages her own career and uses inappropriately manic humor and an affected "I don't care" attitude: it's all to mask the ever-present guilt and pain. She refuses to even acknowledge that the tragedy happened at all. Her mother is using her own position as a ship captain to try and break through the farcical shell that Beckett has built around herself, and re-establish contact -- second contact -- with the scared, broken girl that must still be in there. There's one sign of hope: she's still using the last name "Mariner", taken from the beloved shipmate she had married less than a day before the disaster. Blast shield, it's a blast shield. I'm joking, but just in case the writers do try to pull something like this, I'm totally counting this as an I Called It.
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Sep 8, 2020 05:30
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really hoping nobody has a tragic back story in animation the director can't pretend he's being profound by putting an actor in extreme closeup and making them gurn at the camera for a whole scene
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Sep 8, 2020 05:32
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I feel like people are expecting much. Hell someone brought up futurama earlier and you barely know anything about the characters. Most of their backstories outside Fry don’t happen until the backend of the original run. It also has a poo poo ton of 90s references. Like a surprising amount for a show about the future
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Sep 8, 2020 05:49
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It's also a lot harder when your season is only 10 episodes instead of the 20 something that Futurama had
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Sep 8, 2020 05:50
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It's a structural issue. Mariner is by far the most interesting and engaging character. If the writers need a character to advance an A-plot, she's the natural choice. They've obviously already decided on the pairings they;'re going to go with most of the time, so Mariner usually drags Boimler along. The obvious solution to achieve balance between the characters is to put Mariner in he background and develop Tendi and Rutherford for a couple of episodes. Or they could let her stay over the top and dominating the storylines. And I'm just going to keep comparing her to Burnham and laughing.
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Sep 8, 2020 05:51
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I’m now imagining people complaining their aren’t enough episodes focusing on Amy and Hermès and it’s kind of funny
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Sep 8, 2020 05:54
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The Hermes episode where they have to go to the central bureaucracy place or whatever is way better than the Amy stuff
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Sep 8, 2020 06:06
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Amy stuff usually dragged in Kif and thus Zapp Brannigan though, so that was always fun. If Lower Decks follows the same trajectory as Futurama did re-watching the first episode after the season ends will make it seem a hell of a lot better because we've had time to learn the characters and understand the jokes as being derived from their traits. Like even the name dropping by Mariner is now funnier, because it's the kind of thing she'd do. She's done poo poo so of course she just casually mentions all the famous people as if they're personal friends.
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Sep 8, 2020 06:19
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