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King of Bleh posted:Another fun observation: we're told that the secret project that killed Ellijah was "Cogito." The main association that I've ever seen with that word is via the famous statement by Descartes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cogito,_ergo_sum. So it explicitly references thought, and would be a logical codename for a project to develop artificial intelligence in some form. Descartes was actually rationalist, methodological skepticism was for him only a tool to help sort false claims from truth. Cogito in Descartes and his followers works means both an act of conscious thought and a subject thinking. His famous phrase meant that even in a presence of a demon, who fakes all received information, an act of conscious thought, the ability to doubt, is a proof of one own existence which cannot be faked. From here he goes to prove that neither deceiving god, not demon exist, that we can still use our perception to study the world around us. The concept of Cogito links self-awareness and existence. Descartes did not limited this concept to people: if something can think, it exist. In this way AI, humans, and even some transcended disembodied entities are equal. This and the fact that one person who took Cogito is now an AI can be a hint that it was used in AI development. lets hang out posted:"Allocating 37% Cogito" is an Instinct work message On the other hand, as Cogito links thoughts and existence, we are extracting something that is literally a manifected concept of positive emotions, and most abnormalities are fears, stories and ideas given life, it might be that Cogito is related to Abnormalities existence. For example, Forsaken Murderer was experimented on and lately dissected, bu here he is, intact and with his fears manifested in reality. MiiNiPaa fucked around with this message at 08:26 on Sep 7, 2020 |
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Boy, I sure picked a lovely time to find and read through this thread over the past three days. Get caught up right as things are well and truly in the poo poo! I don't think I'll be buying the game, it's just not my kind of thing, but I'm really enjoying the LP and TQ you're doing an amazing job. I think you're making the game way better than it is with the added dialogue and scenes you do. Malkuth's breakdown feels like it would come a bit out of nowhere without you adding in those bits where she's seeming sad that people are ignoring her/leaving her department to work elsewhere. In related news, my personal list of "Sweeties who deserve and should get hugs" has just seen Malkuth go from 3rd place to 1st. Kind of actually really upsetting to see Manager reacting to her as they did in the last couple updates. "I don't have time for toddlers throwing a tantrum" actually made me see red a little. Hey uhhh if being ignored is what leads to someone having an emotional meltdown, maybe don't try to "teach them a lesson" by continuing to ignore them. This is true for real life too, even if someone is doing something "just to get attention", people need attention and validation and affirmation to be healthy functioning individuals and denying them that out of some misplaced sense that "then they'll just think this behavior is acceptable" is not helpful. But uh, good job for making me feel emotions TQ and game's writing! Can't wait for the next update. Excellent game, excellent LP, voted 5.
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Dirk the Average posted:Right, but to Mizu, even what Malkuth currently is is a cutie with heckin' vitals. I don't think we've ever seen the agents or clerks with the filter weakened either, right? Mizu sees nothing different about Malkuth.
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Day 25: Gameplay Again Music: neutral 1  Bishop, how are you here? There's a kicked-open wall vent right there. You sure that's what you want to ask? No, it's. You shouldn't… Why didn't you… Rewind with everyone else? Yes. Also: how do you know about that? I've known since the cameras went out that there was some T Corporation tech in the building. TimeTrack is known for being able to rewind or fast-forward things in small areas, so I wasn't sure why. I thought you didn't mess with the camera wiring. Doesn't mean I didn't see it. Anyways, you being so darn sure I'd be fine when we talked earlier made it click: It was theoretically possible to use TimeTrack to rewind, if there was a big enough supply of energy available. And we're a big enough supply of energy. Yep. So I took advantage of some known security holes in the process to try traveling down here to you-you know how deep down you are, manager? Over my head, clearly. Let's… get back to the matter at hand. Right… the boss.  Bishop… you know it's against regulations to be in there. If this is how you want to tender your resignation... I'm not resigning today. ...You came down here without your E.G.O? And no armband, either… what ARE you doing? Getting you the help you need. What? I don't need any help! I have everything perfectly under control, as always. She's trying to kill me, Bishop. If you're trying to help her... Just start the workday, I have an idea. Right. Music: Second Trumpet  I know she's messing with the work systems somehow, in a way that keeps it shuffled differently at every level. So for now Red is Red, White is Pale, and Black is Black. That means Pale is White. You're with me so far, right? It's Instinct, Insight, Attachment, and Repression, but yes. It's easy to remember now, but when it changes... Hard to keep track, and you make basic mistakes, right? Try this. This is..! You're kidding. I never kid. Hey! Don't think you can save yourself with something just by keeping it offscreen like that! So. Malkuth, I know enough to know that you don't fly off the handle like this… ever. What happened? I remembered dying. Giving everything for my job, for an experiment, and dying uselessly on the floor in front of the manager. In the end, he never even turned around to check on me. He's always thought I was too incompetent to be worth paying attention to! I never did that! Manager, I need you to be quiet and listen. But she's wrong. And she's been kicking your rear end. Try it my way. You focus on your work, and really listen. Mrgrgr…Music: malkuthDie  And even now, even here, when I worked as hard as I could to be a perfect Sephirah for the Control Team, what does he do? He questions my systems, he demands I change things that are in place for a reason, and he still takes for granted that I'll keep going like always! Are you listening to this, manager? Yeah. Look, before we cover this I need to get these Meltdowns handled. Ah, yes. We wouldn't want you to lose the entire facility again, would we? You would. Yes. I would. This time around, we can show off the real reason I rush three works like this: Meltdowns. Having 3 dedicated workers to determine the work types at every level is the best way to deal with Malkuth without risking anyone to an inevitable meltdown on your more dangerous Abnormalities.  A meltdown from Judgment Bird today would normally be dangerous, since randomly hitting Repression when we work it after a shuffle could suddenly deal enough damage to even kill Tylana. After figuring our work types, though, we already know that Insight = Insight, and we can use that to easily work with it. That's not the real problem, though. That problem, as usual, is Woodsman.  After we work its meltdown, its QC drops to 0. If it gets another meltdown, then we can't work it without losing someone-we'd be in trouble.  Being brilliant, I decide to dunk Kaori's stats into the ground so that she can work it without decreasing its QC before I realize that if I send her in there to work with it now, she'll just die.  Senseless… senseless! You're already thrown off again! It's just a matter of time, manager. Gh… It'll be fine, I'll just have her hide out the rest of the day. When you're dealing with stress, it can be easy to forget things. What matters isn't that you made a mistake, it's how you deal with it from there. When did you pick that up, Bishop? I learned it from watching a certain someone giving it their all every day. Oh my god. You totally do have a crush. Wh-WHAT?! I totally do not, sir! It's fine. Everyone has a type. I think mine is girls with side-ponytails, which makes several things awkward. Wait… wait! You're doing it again! Don't know what you're talking about. I'm not blind, manager! You're making fun of us so you don't have to think about what you did! Allegedly did. We're not going to get anywhere like this. X, why don't you tell Malkuth what you meant when you ran that experiment on day 5. Hold on, she's shuffled everything around again and the work's triggered an ordeal. It's a Crimson Dawn. Surely you could defeat that while telling me why you decided to undermine my authority so quickly. Well, you're not wrong about that. Okay, look. I didn't like the idea of just letting people die for no reason. I show up here, I don't remember anything, and then you show up and you're talking about how you just kill people without a second thought. Our job isn't to keep employees alive. It's to produce energy. You're too soft, manager.  She's drooping… something's changing when that happens. Is it based on the meltdown level, or something else? ...I wasn't soft, Malkuth. Manager, this is Lobotomy Corporation. People will die. Employees who can't cut it as part of my Control Team will make more people die. It's better that we get rid of them before that happens. Trying to save everyone is weak leadership. It's a lesson that took me quite a while to learn. Bishop, are you really going to let her just say that stuff? You've seen how things happen around here. Can you really say she's wrong? ...I can say I understand your thinking, Malkuth. This place is dangerous. One wrong move and someone can die, and it's my own fault. Hell, the clerks die regardless-there's no point caring about them. Then you'll finally start listening to me? ……...No. Since Kaori is as weak as a kitten and we're about to be facing down a Green Noon, I let her push us over the threshold to the next level. She'll be safe in there, and there's no point taking chances. Then this is all just a waste of time! Clearly you just don't know how unpredictable things can be! I can show you… I can work just a bit harder.Music: Red Dots  Level 4 posted:
Sir, I'm pretty sure you just made everything worse. I see that, Bishop. Let me just handle this real quick. With our Red bullets, we actually manage to get through things without anyone ever coming anywhere near dying. Except for a couple of Clerks, of course.  There. Now then. I've been… very angry with you. That's... Probably not entirely fair. But. You're forgetting the nature of our relationship, Malkuth. You're the one with amnesia! I remember everything now, manager. Then why the hell do you decide it's fine to just undercut me right off? You didn't know what you were doing. I did what I had to do to- Shut up! I listened to you, and I'm dealing with your work mess, now you listen to me. Bishop, please punch him in the face. No, this is how it works. You had your turn to say what was up, he should get one too. You're just betraying me now too? Turning away from me for him? I'm not betraying anyone. I'm just here to make sure this ends. Once Malkuth hits Level 4, things change slightly. She shuffles the works like normal, but she also removes our ability to cancel works we schedule. If we make a mistake now, we can't take it back even if we notice. Luckily, this is the home stretch. Also, check out Twee's sweet new visor-it's a 1% gift drop rate when working with Blue Star!  Malkuth. I understand that you're one of the Sephirot. You're supposed to know what you're doing. That doesn't give you carte blanche to undermine my orders when I want to try something new. Your orders were going to keep energy from being produced efficiently. I wanted to efficiently show you that, manager. You learned, didn't you? Oh I learned something, alright. I learned that you were definitely not to be trusted with anything outside your little program you had figured out. I worked very hard on it! It's designed to make sure the Control Team is able to keep running no matter what! Then tell me why! Explain it! Don't just say 'yes sir' and then do something shady like try and get our employees killed or pile bodies in our conference room! Hell, it's not just me-I've seen the way you talk to the others, too! The others? The others aren't nearly as competent as me, manager. They cut corners and take half-measures to get by. That doesn't mean you get to condescend to them! You called me a toddler. Gh… I… guess that's true. Pfft… so this is what it looks like through that filter thing? This is pretty funny.  Sorry, I guess. How haven't you forgotten anything yet? We're nearly to meltdown level 5, and you haven't forgotten once, even when we were talking so much. An inexperienced manager like you should have made a mistake by now. Oh, that? Eh… I just borrowed one of your techniques. You… what? I'm using a notebook. Bishop handed it to me before. A notebook?!Level 5 posted:
I'm not honestly sure if this is by design or just a happy coincidence, but it turns out the best way to deal with remembering all of the swaps for Malkuth's meltdown is really just to jot them all down into a nearby notepad each meltdown, and refer to them any time you schedule a work. Yeah. You were right. In the event of an emergency like this it could be useful to figure out how to use these systems properly. Remembering repeated changes on top of it was beyond me, so I just wrote it down. Like you do. You decided to take one of my techniques to heart..? Manager, don't want to interrupt, but we officially have a problem. A second meltdown landed on Woodsman, meaning that we have to work it in order to complete Tiphereth's mission. Oh… hell. We'll have to repeat the day? I'll get to see the manager's hopeless face again, and we'll repeat the day. Is that really what you want? You're too much of a professional for that, and we both know it. ...No. I just wanted someone to recognize me. That's why I joined the experiment... That's why I work so hard... And that's why you're doing all this. I won't apologize. You're a jerk, manager. So are you, Malkuth. But… leaders have to be, huh. Do you have a plan? No, just a stupid idea. We're at meltdown level 5. If I send everyone to work on units that aren't melting down, or melting units that take 40 seconds or less, we should be able to push the level to 6 before any of the meltdown timers expire. Thoughts? Let's… try it. There you go. Now you're working together.This is actually a perfectly valid strategy. Whenever we're at the very end of a suppression, we can just throw everyone at works haphazardly in order to skip the final level entirely. The meltdown timer's 60 seconds is enough to perform one full work on anything HE or below and have time to start a second after cooldown.  So we do that. Now, I think we've made some excellent progress here… so how about you both tell the other something you like about them. Are you serious right now? This feels unnecessary. Clock's ticking. Ugh… Fine! Malkuth, you know how to get things done. I can have Control members pivot to other teams because you're there to handle things. You mean that? If you ask me that I might change my mind. Let's just try and trust that everyone's being upfront here. Now, Malkuth… Oh… well… Come on, there must be something. ...mmm…When we hit meltdown level 6, so long as we have the energy the day immediately ends. And so with a thunderous quaking sound…  Ah… So I couldn't do it… She shrinks away and the day comes to an abrupt end.  Wooah..! What was thaat..? No idea. I guess I finally have to admit something weird's going on around here. I seee… How iinteresting..! There'll be time for that later. Let's get comms back online and try to patch through to Training. Because we ended the day without having a timer hit 0, we get the clear for both of our missions. It was a skin-of-our-teeth win, though.  ...I can't help but feel vaguely insulted by that. There there, sir. I'll just be on my way before anyone finds out I'm here. Hey. How did you know how to do that? ...Fixer's intuition, I guess? Don't give me that. I'm serious. I just figured out how she thinks at some point. She just seemed like she had a lot of stress on her mind, and mom told me a couple things about how to help with that. …  Don't even say it. Get out of here before you really tempt me.Music: never frozen bottom flows  -nager… Manager… X? Can you hear me, X? Yeah. Day's over. Everything's fine now. It most certainly is not fine. Malkuth dealt a great deal of damage to the facility's inner wiring as a result of the suppression. It will need to be repaired. Got it, sorry. You can handle it, right? Of course, X. I am your most reliable partner, after all. For me, this is a trivial matter-it is merely the principle of the thing. I'll leave it to you, then. We're going to be adding a new Abnormality tomorrow, right? Let's get on that. ...Yes, X. T-04-06: Its memories began with a warm hug. O-04-66: Even if this turns out to be a curse, I will love this curse like a blessing. How weird, we seem to only have two Abnormality choices today. Oh well! We'll start with -06, a HE Abnormality which can instantly kill agents if handled the wrong way, and boils down to a memory game. Its gear is kind of meh, and it deals White damage while preferring Attachment work. It doesn't breach or do anything, so if nothing else it's a decent 'safe' pick, but I don't do safe picks when I can turn a profit instead... Which really leaves -66 by default, huh? It's also a memory game Abnormality, but a WAW with significantly more complicated rules. It's a useable-to-good trainer in every stat due to its work rates and its Black damage type, and so long as we can work with its rules and remember them it's perfectly safe. On top of this, its weapon is insanely powerful, and since it gives three copies of it it'll give us a perfect setup for dealing with more problematic opponents as we move into the midgame.  We take the clearly superior option of the two. Next time, on Lobotomy Corporation: We find out what happened to Malkuth. Bonus VIDEO: Malkuth Core Suppression (I recommend watching this if you're interested in seeing how this plays out in real time, as well as how I usually tend to play the game when not capturing footage.) TeeQueue fucked around with this message at 12:26 on Jul 3, 2021 |
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HeyItsKasey posted:It's Bishop, here to heroically save our rear end at the last moment. 
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Talow just watching with casual disinterest as Malkuth violently vibrates and shrinks away.
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Great update! I really appreciate all the extra effort you're going to with the writing and additional narrative to tie it together. (Will we see F-02-44 later, or get a spoilered explanation for why it Does Not Exist?)
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TeeQueue posted:Bonus Tenebrais saved another clerk! She's the most wonderful agent ever!
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TeeQueue posted:This is actually a perfectly valid strategy. Whenever we're at the very end of a suppression, we can just throw everyone at works haphazardly in order to skip the final level entirely. The meltdown timer's 60 seconds is enough to perform one full work on anything HE or below and have time to start a second after cooldown. It is a perfectly valid strategy even for normal days. You can end day when meltdown falls on woodsman in bad mood, when it falls on some Aleph that simply doesn't have good moods, when you are one second away from failing mission...
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Podima posted:Great update! I really appreciate all the extra effort you're going to with the writing and additional narrative to tie it together. I’ve spoken about it at length in several updates before now, and mostly I just want it to stop stalking me because it’s basically 1.76 MHz but slightly worse in every single way.
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The trick to Malkuth being "just take notes like she does" is way too perfect to not be intentional. It's so great.
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I still remember I was in a discord with TQ when I was here, and they got to hear me slowly work it out bit by bit. I was initially barking up the wrong tree in thinking she wanted me to send people at jobs they were 'mediocre' at because she disliked people 'looking down' on her. Took me a while to figure it out.
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Now that I'm thinking back through the narrative conversations we've had, I'm guessing Yesod's breaking point is going to be how dismissive X is of clerk deaths (since TQ has kept almost every agent alive so far), and Hod's her failure to help anyone no matter how hard she tries. Tipereth the repeated resets, probably...?
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the Orb of Zot posted:Malkuth really really needs a hug. ^ Hell, most of them could use one. A shred of compassion would fix so much here. True of a lot of things, really.
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Drakenel posted:^ Mizu's love for even the creepiest, crawliest, weirdest cuties is what this place needed indeed 
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The moral of the story is that everyone needs a hug sometimes, even meat robots. Especially meat robots. If you don't hug your meat robot they turn into a tentacled nightmare creature and hugging them gets a lot harder.
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Deep Dish Fuckfest posted:I think she'd be the easiest to hug by virtue of not being a big metal box/spawn of Shub-Niggurath. Judging by the scene we saw before all of this they are mostly just metal boxes that can walk around. It is only when they break do they go full eldritch abomination.
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Angela's secret is, the more you turn down the Perception Filter, the more human she looks. At 50% shes indistinguishable from a human. Then you keep going.
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Hunt11 posted:Judging by the scene we saw before all of this they are mostly just metal boxes that can walk around. It is only when they break do they go full eldritch abomination. Or otherworldly treemonsters have been their actual form the entire time, and the tin can is just to help keep them contained so they don't accidentally tentacle an agent to death.
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Elfface posted:Angela's secret is, the more you turn down the Perception Filter, the more human she looks. At 50% shes indistinguishable from a human. Then you keep going. What if a perfect AI was more human than human and elicited stronger empathy and protective urges than 'real' people? #HavenotgottenfurtherthantheLP
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VinnyDonuts posted:If you don't hug your meat robot they turn into a tentacled nightmare creature and hugging them gets a lot harder. I actually think it would be easier to hug them, they have more appendages to hug with.
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Tylana posted:What if a perfect AI was more human than human and elicited stronger empathy and protective urges than 'real' people? #HavenotgottenfurtherthantheLP Given how quickly we stopped caring about clerk deaths, that's not a high bar Could make a decent challenge out of keeping clerks alive. Keep X amount of clerks alive, lowering the clerk survival bar by Y each meltdown. More clerks die than permitted, have to push further before the day can end.
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There was a point in time when we cared about clerk deaths? Only Yesod ever gave a poo poo about those.
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VinnyDonuts posted:If you don't hug your meat robot they turn into a tentacled nightmare creature and hugging them gets a lot harder. But also a lot more fun!
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I just want to add that I played control for the first time now that it’s on Steam and the thought “clerks don’t count” went through my head at least once every 5 minutes.
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hobbesmaster posted:I just want to add that I played control for the first time now that it’s on Steam and the thought “clerks don’t count” went through my head at least once every 5 minutes. So glad I'm not alone in that
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Huh! It seems like the Central clerks are actually fairly useful. I’ve had a bunch of times where I sent an agent to work an abnormality that was melting down, and it either got canceled because I fatfingered something, or I just forgot something. This results in a mad scramble to reach the offending containment unit, which usually comes down to mere seconds. Having ten more seconds would have really helped.
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the Orb of Zot posted:Wait, Central Command is the heart of the facility? Why did we start with the Control Team then? Going from top to bottom makes more sense than looping around! Plus, then we wouldn't have gotten such a good first impression of this place's practices via Malkuth.
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