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Google Butt posted:ain't nothin comin  ♫ e: Well, that's a snipe.  Here, have my puppers.
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ItohRespectArmy posted:imagine signing up to the military becoming a literal agent of worldwide fascism and then daring to compare it to people forced into sweatshops to survive lol. Pretty crappy troll to be honest. 3/10, low effort.
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Sep 7, 2020 20:12
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Murgos posted:Pretty crappy troll to be honest. 3/10, low effort. not a troll, dont really see how "bro i needed my teeth fixed" is a good enough argument for being part of an invasion that killed 1m people voluntarily.
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Sep 7, 2020 20:13
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Murgos posted:Now James, there are two options. One is a crazy extreme idea that somehow Joe Biden orchestrated a world wide pandemic, killing millions and doing trillions in damage, with the sole purpose to discredit Donald J. Trump. The other just assumes that pandemics happen and you should be prepared. Nah I'm pretty sure he just thinks Covid is actually a hoax and nobody is dying from a novel virus.
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Sep 7, 2020 20:15
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ItohRespectArmy posted:imagine signing up to the military becoming a literal agent of worldwide fascism and then daring to compare it to people forced into sweatshops to survive lol.
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Sep 7, 2020 20:16
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Endorph posted:ive been poor and lemme tell you id have killed some babies if it made me not poor he didnt even get not poor from it though, he killed babies to remain poor and have less hosed up teeth. he killed babies for free college, which is very cringe compared to if you killed babies to become like a investment banker.
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Sep 7, 2020 20:17
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ItohRespectArmy posted:he didnt even get not poor from it though, he killed babies to remain poor and have less hosed up teeth.
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Sep 7, 2020 20:18
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Endorph posted:like how many babies are we talking? 3? that seems fair depends on his branch of service tbh, like if you're a marine, thats atleast a dozen babies, airforce? hundreds, navy? probably 5 or 6. army? idk, probably just sweeped up some rubble or something. investment banker? probably atleast 100
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Sep 7, 2020 20:20
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ItohRespectArmy posted:not a troll, dont really see how "bro i needed my teeth fixed" is a good enough argument for being part of an invasion that killed 1m people voluntarily. You don't see how people oppressed by a system to keep them in poverty and uneducated with few options to improve and are faced daily by advertising campaigns backed by massive publicity budgets, big budget hero movies and constant hammering about 'our heroes' and '9/11 never forget' from all sides can decide that maybe they will try that out and see if that's better than their current soul crushing existence? Whatever.
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Sep 7, 2020 20:20
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Murgos posted:Now James, there are two options. One is a crazy extreme idea that somehow Joe Biden orchestrated a world wide pandemic, killing millions and doing trillions in damage, with the sole purpose to discredit Donald J. Trump. The other just assumes that pandemics happen and you should be prepared. I mean I know the guy's an idiot but the conspiracy theory of the pandemic being manufactured to sink Trump is also dumb because it assumes Trump would gently caress up the response spectacularly. If he'd done a decent job there would be a rally around the flag effect and I think this would be a very close election.
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Shifty Pony posted:Talks stalled out then the stock market recovered and some of the job losses have reversed. Those two things feed strongly into Trump's "everything is actually fantastic because I'm in charge" bias and no evidence to the contrary ever makes it to him because his sycophants only let him see positive news. Well the Federal Government has been in a purely reactionary mode for quite some time. There has been no push for years to actually solve problems before they blow up or make anything better. It is purely putting duct tape on things after they explode and wanting you to thank them for it.
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Murgos posted:You don't see how people oppressed by a system to keep them in poverty and uneducated with few options to improve and are faced daily by advertising campaigns backed by massive publicity budgets, big budget hero movies and constant hammering about 'our heroes' and '9/11 never forget' from all sides can decide that maybe they will try that out and see if that's better than their current soul crushing existence? none of that changes the fact that signing up for the military is literally signing up to kill people you've never met. Just because it's justified by propoganda dosen't change the fact it's loving gristly lol. whats next are you gona defend the 19 year olds who signed up for the wehrmacht because they really did believe they were the master race and it was their destiny to rule europe lol, are they just misunderstood kids who were misled?
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Sep 7, 2020 20:23
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noted troll position of killing people is bad and people who are willing to murder people should maybe be held accountable for it.
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ItohRespectArmy posted:depends on his branch of service tbh, like if you're a marine, thats atleast a dozen babies, airforce? hundreds, navy? probably 5 or 6. army? idk, probably just sweeped up some rubble or something. There’s no need to project your baby killing shame onto others. I am aware of the moral consequences of my life decisions and I have made peace with them. You’d do well to reflect on the morality of your own life choices.
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Sep 7, 2020 20:26
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Actually I signed up to ensure someone kept track of items issued to people who kill people. E: try sneaking a dirty kevlar past me and then say there is no justice
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Hairy Marionette posted:There’s no need to project your baby killing shame onto others. I am aware of the moral consequences of my life decisions and I have made peace with them. You’d do well to reflect on the morality of your own life choices. my life choices dont include joining an army of fascists, how many deaths are you responsible for? I'm at 0 personally. imagine trying to defend having blood on your hands with "i needed my teeth fixed" though, that's incredible.
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ItohRespectArmy posted:none of that changes the fact that signing up for the military is literally signing up to kill people you've never met. Just because it's justified by propoganda dosen't change the fact it's loving gristly lol. And BAM! Godwin out of left field. Somehow I think my original assessment that you are a poor troll was kind of spot on.
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Murgos posted:And BAM! Godwin out of left field. Somehow I think my original assessment that you are a poor troll was kind of spot on. there are no similarities between modern america and nazi germany of course, as we know, there were no poor children in nazi germany who needed a way out.
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Murgos posted:And BAM! Godwin out of left field. Somehow I think my original assessment that you are a poor troll was kind of spot on. Godwin isn’t a judgment of whether an argument is or isn’t appropriate, just that the longer a discussion goes on the Nazis will come up.
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Sep 7, 2020 20:28
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You see good people benefit from empire like this *deet deet deet* Bad people benefit from empire like this *doot doot doot*
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Kind of sad you didn't go into some elaborate baby killing details to show just how much you hate the army. Like I am only getting a vague sense of soldiers looking for babies to kill. You sure you don't want to go into pure violent fantasy to prove your point
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Sep 7, 2020 20:31
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Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:You see good people benefit from empire like this seeing as i'm not american I don't think I've benefited from the american empire at all.
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Madkal posted:Kind of sad you didn't go into some elaborate baby killing details to show just how much you hate the army. Like I am only getting a vague sense of soldiers looking for babies to kill. You sure you don't want to go into pure violent fantasy to prove your point making jokes on the internet about babies dying is the same as joining an army to kill them yes
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Sep 7, 2020 20:32
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ItohRespectArmy posted:making jokes on the internet about babies dying is the same as joining an army to kill them yes Well I mean you keep saying soldiers sign up to kill babies so you tell me.
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ItohRespectArmy posted:seeing as i'm not american I don't think I've benefited from the american empire at all. Hrmmm for a non-American you seem real knowledgeable about the material,cultural, and lived experience that may drive the desperate to join the military.
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Sep 7, 2020 20:34
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Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:You see good people benefit from empire like this Talking about the personal morality of our choices when we’re all trapped in a totalizing system of inequality and atomization is real forest for the trees stuff but it’s so ingrained in our culture to do it that even Comrades who should know better waste their time arguing with liberals who may or may not know better, and accepting liberal, atomized conditions as given. There is no ethical existence under capitalism. However, if you resist the urgency of the need to change this system, you are, knowingly or not, resisting the only potential route of escape from this immiseration we visit and have visited upon our class cohort.
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Telsa Cola posted:Hrmmm for a non-American you seem real knowledgeable about the material,cultural, and lived experience that may drive the desperate to join the military. yes
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Djarum posted:Well the Federal Government has been in a purely reactionary mode for quite some time. There has been no push for years to actually solve problems before they blow up or make anything better. It is purely putting duct tape on things after they explode and wanting you to thank them for it. Maintenance is important, but expensive. I'd really like to know who is actually good at doing it, because maybe I'd apply to work there since they'd obviously be more forward-thinking than everywhere else. I suspect the answer is "nobody does maintenance properly" and cuts corners, though. I say this as a homeowner who would do maintenance properly if I had more money, and also as a one-time maintenance professional who worked for a company that was pretty good about DOING maintenance on a schedule, but paid garbage wages.
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How so? Because you sure don't sound like you know what being a poor, desperate minority is like.
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Telsa Cola posted:How so? Because you sure don't sound like you know what being a poor, desperate minority is like. Are we to take it as given that this is representative of the people who join the military? I don’t think that’s true; median parental wage for recruits seems to be higher than the median parental wage overall, which you’d expect the opposite from what you’re saying: https://www.ifn.se/wfiles/wp/wp965.pdf
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*Quote tweets reply to an article about a possible future pandemic* "HOW COULD HE POSSIBLY KNOW?????" These are some brain geniuses, I tell you..
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Sep 7, 2020 20:40
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ItohRespectArmy posted:my life choices dont include joining an army of fascists, how many deaths are you responsible for? I'm at 0 personally. Buddy, if you participated in capitalism in any way whatsoever, you've already done immoral poo poo that absolutely has a body count attached to it.
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Telsa Cola posted:How so? Because you sure don't sound like you know what being a poor, desperate minority is like. could you ballpark the number of iraqis you get a pass on killing if you're a poor desperate minority in america for me, and how that number changes as you approach the actual demographic the military recruits from
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Phobic Nest posted:
This I like to use this fact as a rebuttal to CHUDS I know who "both sides" everything and accuse me of getting all my news from CNN and poo poo. His Twitter feed ALONE is enough to disqualify him from office and tells me all I need to know about him, how he thinks and what he says. No "taking him out of context". No media "bias". Just straight up Official Statements from the POTUS delivered with all the tact and nuance of an 11 year old kid playing with his first cell phone.
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Telsa Cola posted:How so? Because you sure don't sound like you know what being a poor, desperate minority is like. there are poor people all over the world who manage without joining any kind of military or police force, america is only special in that it has the biggest and most obviously violent military, the material conditions of america isn't unique and the fact that you guys think it is means you've bought into american propoganda that it's unlike any other place. there is no mortal justification for joining the military, anything said by disgusting scum that call themselves "troops" is just pure cope. I wish that story about vietnam vets being spat on was true, they deserved it, infact they deserved far worse. and before you say "b-but the draft!!!!111" a 19 year old taylor swift stan is brave enough to say no to the IDF and go to prison for it, how can you be such a coward that you'd join a military doing the same thing voluntarily? imagine being at peace after doing that, couldn't be me.
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ItohRespectArmy posted:my life choices dont include joining an army of fascists, how many deaths are you responsible for? I'm at 0 personally. I was trained on clearing IEDs and mine fields. My own baby killing was cut short cause I got injured state side. I never got the opportunity to clear real IEDs. Because of budget constraints I only got to practice on a few baby mines. Most of my training was on fully insert aborted fetuses. If I’d gone over to the sandbox I could have blown up so many more babies. But still, I was good enough with the ANPS-14 that I trained the rest of my company on its use. So I’m sure I’ve got a high assist count. Fake edit: the joke is that land mines are made out of babies. Like you, it’s not funny.
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selec posted:Are we to take it as given that this is representative of the people who join the military? I will take a look, thanks.
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