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Attack on Princess
Dec 15, 2008

To yolo rolls! The cause and solution to all problems!

Broken Cog posted:

I mean, he tries as much as any other nearby lords, but since he doesn't have his event troops like he did in CK2 it doesn't usually go too well for him. Usually in my games he ends up a vassal of Sweden or Denmark.

He can definitely be strong (and since there seems to be a norse woman that always spawns with quick and beautiful on the 867 start, it can give you a quick start on genetics), but you need to play a bit smart and opportunistic with him, and the AI isn't really capable of that.

Ah, thanks for explaining! Sounds like an interesting start then.

By the way, do the suggested starting figures come with custom events or can I keep playing whoever and not really miss out?

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NoNotTheMindProbe
Aug 9, 2010
pony porn was here
Confederate partition can be pretty good as you get automatic alliances with other members of your house and more allies means more armies with a full complement of knights.

Dallan Invictus
Oct 11, 2007

The thing about words is that meanings can twist just like a snake, and if you want to find snakes, look for them behind words that have changed their meaning.

Fragrag posted:

So I hold the Kingdom of Ireland and I've managed to vassalize enough of Wales for me to create the Kingdom of Wales title. With succession the way it is, is it better for me to hold off on creating the Kingdom of Wales title lest I want to lose it on my death?

If you still have confederate partition then you literally have no choice in the matter, it'll automatically be created when you die. If you have any other partition law then yeah, hold off until you can create an empire title, unless you're fine with Wales going independent under your second kid.

TacMan
Aug 8, 2002

Vert used Hyperbeam,
It's super effective!


:steam: El Mole :steam:
So I'm playing as the king of bohemia in the wendish empire, and some duchies that I've taken are being integrated de jure into my kingdom and some aren't. I can't figure out why, it seems random. some are my culture/religion and some aren't, some are part of my empire and some arenn't.

bewbies
Sep 23, 2003

Fun Shoe

Guildencrantz posted:

Any tips for fighting off the Vikings as Wessex? I started as Alfred and lucked into my brother dying almost right away, so that's nice, but there's still rampaging Norsemen controlling most of England. Alfred is an amazing ruler, but the combined strength of Jorvik and the Isles is pretty insurmountable. Do I just hold on and wait until at least one of the god tier viking rulers dies?

Edit: also, do their event troops disappear when they die or are they inherited?

In my Alfred game, the Vikings absolutely steamrolled everyone in England aside from me. I was awaiting the steamroller, but I think they ran out of special troops and got involved in wars elsewhere (Galacia? ok) and after a bit I realized the whole thing was pretty hollow and won a holy war for Mercia very easily.

OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013

TacMan posted:

So I'm playing as the king of bohemia in the wendish empire, and some duchies that I've taken are being integrated de jure into my kingdom and some aren't. I can't figure out why, it seems random. some are my culture/religion and some aren't, some are part of my empire and some arenn't.

Do you own 100% of the duchy's counties

Reveilled
Apr 19, 2007

Take up your rifles

Fragrag posted:

So I hold the Kingdom of Ireland and I've managed to vassalize enough of Wales for me to create the Kingdom of Wales title. With succession the way it is, is it better for me to hold off on creating the Kingdom of Wales title lest I want to lose it on my death?

Counterintuitively, if you have confederate partition, what you probably want to do near the end of your life is grant some of the counts in Wales independence to take you just under the threshold to create the kingdom of Wales. If you can't create it, the succession system won't auto-create it to break up your realm. Better to lose two counties than an entire kingdom!

If you're working towards the Empire of Britannia, you can either ride just barely under the threshold for the three kingdoms you don't have until you make a mad dash for the final counties in one lifetime to form it, or you can try to worm your way into a claim on England as a whole, as with England and Ireland in their entirety you don't need many more provinces to make the Empire.

Sulla
May 10, 2008

SirPhoebos posted:

I miss the execution sound effects

There's a mod for that:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2221339737

TacMan
Aug 8, 2002

Vert used Hyperbeam,
It's super effective!


:steam: El Mole :steam:

OctaMurk posted:

Do you own 100% of the duchy's counties

not directly but yes my vassals do.

edit: noticed that the two that aren't drifting have the capitals of those respective kingdoms in them (bavaria and great moravia), but I look over to alba and they have meath from ireland drifting to them.

TacMan fucked around with this message at 15:19 on Sep 8, 2020

Shoehead
Sep 28, 2005

Wassup, Choom?
Ya need sumthin'?

Magil Zeal posted:

Battles can be quite lucrative for piety (note this was a bit of an exceptional battle results may vary)


It seems to me the easiest way to get lots of prestige/piety is just to fight a lot, battles themselves can be quite lucrative. Though I think to get piety you need to fight infidels. Not necessarily in a holy war, just fight people of other faiths.

Similarly winning sieges will get you a small chunk of gold, which is handy if one of your allies keeps having civil wars they want you to help out with. I payed for new walls on my castle by taking a small force into enemy territory, far away from the fighting and just raiding baronies like a little rear end in a top hat.

I really need to re-organize my army now though because every time I raise it I bankrupt the country, which was actually ok when the crusades were on and the pope decided to give me 1,000 gold for raiding the north coast of Africa while everyone else had a punch up in Jerusalem. Not now that I'm back in Ireland dealing with uppity Welsh barons

OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013
Is there an option to just raise a portion of my men at arms etx? Sometimes I dont need whole Imperial Army, I just need a couple battalions to go help a bro out

Magil Zeal
Nov 24, 2008

Excelzior posted:

but, you need prestige/piety to declare wars

the best way to GET prestige/piety is to have a holy war declared on you

(this might not apply to tribals? only played feudal so far)

True, though you get fame in return if you achieve the war goal, so it's more like a conversion. Definitely if you're looking for fame (and fame is good, each rank of fame gets you a secular opinion bonus, which is basically +vassal opinion), war is a good way to do it.

If you put one perk in the Strategist tree the conversion rate is very efficient. Something to consider if you're planning on waging war a lot.

OctaMurk posted:

Is there an option to just raise a portion of my men at arms etx? Sometimes I dont need whole Imperial Army, I just need a couple battalions to go help a bro out

Best way to do it is to raise your troops and use CRTL+move to interrupt their gathering. If you want to fine-tune it more, there's a button to split off some troops, I like to split off siege engines with some levies to siege while my main body of MoA + whatever levies are necessary chase down armies.

Alternately you can set several rally points and make use of the "raise local armies" feature when selecting one of them.

Magil Zeal fucked around with this message at 14:53 on Sep 8, 2020

Bold Robot
Jan 6, 2009

Be brave.



In CK2, I believe you got certain bonuses for holdings in counties within your capital duchy. They weren't very well documented but I think it was generally better to own, e.g., two counties in your capital duchy than one county in your capital duchy and one county somewhere else, all else being equal. Is that true in CK3?

e: I poked around and it looks like you get +20% levies in your actual capital county and +10% levies from holdings in the same duchy. Doesn't seem to be anything for tax. So, the bonus is not huge, but it's there.

Bold Robot fucked around with this message at 15:38 on Sep 8, 2020

bewbies
Sep 23, 2003

Fun Shoe

OctaMurk posted:

Is there an option to just raise a portion of my men at arms etx? Sometimes I dont need whole Imperial Army, I just need a couple battalions to go help a bro out

You can raise the army and then split off special troops, is that what you're thinking about?

Also is there any way to fight allied wars more intelligently? "Follow army" or something like that? We just had an absolute gong show of a crusade where Crusader armies were slaughtered piecemeal by a much smaller Muslim force because I guess no one has ever read Sun Tzu.

Nuclear War
Nov 7, 2012

You're a pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty girl
I gave in and got a mod that gets you primogeniture as an option the moment you reach 2 authority. gently caress it, it's a single player game. I'll play how I want

UP AND ADAM
Jan 24, 2007

by Pragmatica
I had a pretty ok result from confederate partition. Instead of being king of tuscany with my duchies and counties spread all between me and my brother, my brother gets to be king of sardinia with a couple counts, and I keep everything on the Italian peninsula for myself. If I advanced to regular partition I'd still have sardinia and corsica, but this seems kind of right in a way.

Magil Zeal
Nov 24, 2008

UP AND ADAM posted:

I had a pretty ok result from confederate partition. Instead of being king of tuscany with my duchies and counties spread all between me and my brother, my brother gets to be king of sardinia with a couple counts, and I keep everything on the Italian peninsula for myself. If I advanced to regular partition I'd still have sardinia and corsica, but this seems kind of right in a way.

I've been playing a tribal start for about 200 years with confederation partition, and I think I've nailed down how I handle it. If I give my primary heir a county in my primary duchy, my secondary heir a county in my secondary duchy, and the rest of my heirs entire duchies for themselves, my primary heir will get all the counties in my first duchy along with my kingdom/empire title. So far I haven't actually had a new kingdom title created, though I'm not sure if it's because I have vassal kingdoms already and my heirs aren't in landed in places where they would create new de jure kingdoms. It may be that giving them an entire duchy while my first two heirs only have counties makes the split feel more equal. But honestly, I couldn't tell you why it works, just that it has so far.

Broken Cog
Dec 29, 2009

We're all friends here


Anyone know what the "He is evil -15" modifier is from? He's the same religion and culture as everyone else, and he only has the Temperate trait so far, so it cannot be that.

Yooper
Apr 30, 2012


bewbies posted:

Also is there any way to fight allied wars more intelligently? "Follow army" or something like that? We just had an absolute gong show of a crusade where Crusader armies were slaughtered piecemeal by a much smaller Muslim force because I guess no one has ever read Sun Tzu.

Didn't they have this before? Follow allied armies, attach to allied armies, or something?

I'm running into the same issue where all 40,000 crusaders are in 20 different bunches randomly wandering over the Holy Land doing gently caress all but getting slaughtered.

Frida Call Me
Sep 28, 2001

Boy, you gotta carry that weight
Carry that weight a long time
Part of the issue with attach to army is that counties can't support anywhere near the number of troops they did in CK2. So the reason why everyone's split-up and loosely following is because it's less immediately damaging to the unit's supply counts. If everyone was on the same tile, you'd run out of supplies instantly.

Poltroon
Dec 15, 2008

Fragrag posted:

So I hold the Kingdom of Ireland and I've managed to vassalize enough of Wales for me to create the Kingdom of Wales title. With succession the way it is, is it better for me to hold off on creating the Kingdom of Wales title lest I want to lose it on my death?

To expand on the title inheritance advice that others have given, you can also disinherit any male sons prior to your ruler's death for 300 Renown a pop to ensure that all titles are passed on to your chosen heir. Ireland starts with Male Preference inheritance, so all males have to be dead before daughters will be considered at all. If your heir dies before taking the throne, one of your daughters will pick up the titles.

Drone Incognito
Oct 16, 2008

There are no drones here. No way no how.
So I realized after my current drunken leper king died at the ripe age of 76 that my daughter took over and that she at some point converted to Lollardy. Now my entire Catholic realm hates her guts and started a war about it with about 10k more troops than I have.

A million popups and notifications about random nobodies I can ransom and stupid scandals, but nothing about my heir being a heretic? Either that or I just missed it. That sucks since I was finally looking forward to everyone not hating my leprous guts.

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.
Anyone find out how to revive Hellenism yet?

A God Damn Ghost
Nov 25, 2007

booyah!
I've been doing ok with succession this run by making sure I expand just enough for my primary heir to get all of united Ireland, and my second and maybe third son gets a duchy or two in England. I've been marrying women in their thirties, it helps keep the number of heirs more manageable (1-3) and I still have enough people in my dynasty to make good marriages and get renown.

Broken Cog
Dec 29, 2009

We're all friends here

MonsieurChoc posted:

Anyone find out how to revive Hellenism yet?

You can pay piety to convert to it, like you can with any religion, but it costs a shitload, even with the learning tree reduction.

Tippis
Mar 21, 2008

It's yet another day in the wasteland.

NoNotTheMindProbe posted:

Confederate partition can be pretty good as you get automatic alliances with other members of your house and more allies means more armies with a full complement of knights.

Also, once you're independent, you're getting all those juicy independent-ruler renown generators in a fairly organic way. So there's always that. It may be the most heretical thing to ever appear in relation to CK, but you don't have to build a mega-realm, and having all those dynastic rulers all over the place does offer some neat benefits…

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.

Broken Cog posted:

You can pay piety to convert to it, like you can with any religion, but it costs a shitload, even with the learning tree reduction.

Yeah, that's why I'm asking.

Voodoofly
Jul 3, 2002

Some days even my lucky rocket ship underpants don't help

Voodoofly posted:

Am I dense or is there no way to change the message settings the same way you could in all other paradox games? Like pause after a siege ends and stuff like that.

Asking again

Tippis
Mar 21, 2008

It's yet another day in the wasteland.

Voodoofly posted:

Asking again

Doesn't seem like it. Nor any of the priority filters and settings. :ohdear:

Magil Zeal
Nov 24, 2008

MonsieurChoc posted:

Yeah, that's why I'm asking.

If I had to make a plan for it, to get the max number of +X00% modifiers removed, you should be an unreformed religion that is pagan. You might want some sort of belief that enables you to get lots of piety, like human sacrifice (sacred lies would work but I don't think any unreformed faiths have it). It'd still be a very big cost, so it's best if you have a lifetime to earn piety, wage a ton of war, make a ton of sacrifice, and have the Prophet perk.

To me that limits it to the point where I don't think it's worth going for it (since it doesn't seem feasible for a Greek character, which is what I'd want to do it as), but it might be possible.

BigShasta
Oct 28, 2010
Three things that drive me nuts after many hours of play:

1) If you have your army selected while sieging, when the siege completes, your army is automatically deselected.
2) If you have your army selected, and try to right click to move them somewhere, but accidentally click something like a county flag, it right clicks that flag and doesn't move the army. Right clicking with an army selected should ignore flags and click the underlying county to move the army automatically.
3) I legitimately can't believe this hasn't been fixed from CK2, but windows on the screen have invisible borders beyond what you actually see. My god this drives me nuts.

Reveilled
Apr 19, 2007

Take up your rifles

MonsieurChoc posted:

Anyone find out how to revive Hellenism yet?

When you convert, you have to pay piety for every doctrine in the new faith which is different from the old faith. If you're a christian, lots of hellenism's doctrines are different from yours, and then the cost is multiplied by something ridiculous because you're converting from Christian to pagan, converting from organised to unreformed and converting to a faith that has no counties. We can't do anything about the last one, but we can remove problems 1 and 2 using existing faiths, and further reduce the cost by getting our doctrines close to Hellenism.

So what you probably want to do as an intermediate step is convert to an unreformed pagan faith that does exist, with similar doctrines. Something like Kordofan (the ancient egyptian religion which is still around in Nubia at the game's start). The trick here would be getting a kid who is Kordofan by faith, but you can probably do that by getting a kordofan vassal or lover and having them educate the kid (I'm not 100% certain this works if the pagan guardian is unreformed, haven't tried).

You could also go through a gradual reform process where you keep making new christian faiths which are progressively more and more like Hellenism until you're basically just switching the name and family.

Jarvisi
Apr 17, 2001

Green is still best.
What other unique buildings are in the game? Egypt has the pyramids which give some pretty nice bonuses to own.

Count Thrashula
Jun 1, 2003

Death is nothing compared to vindication.
Buglord

abrosheen posted:

2) If you have your army selected, and try to right click to move them somewhere, but accidentally click something like a county flag, it right clicks that flag and doesn't move the army. Right clicking with an army selected should ignore flags and click the underlying county to move the army automatically.

YES. Many times I've tried to intercept an army, but I accidentally click a flag and so my army stays still while my enemy runs off across the world before i manage to figure out what happened.

It's especially bad in Asturias, where your capital province (Oviedo) is hidden behind the flag, so there's like a 3-pixel area you can actually click to select it rather than bring up the title management screen.

Alfred P. Pseudonym
May 29, 2006

And when you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss goes 8-8

What’s the deal with the numbers for your military strength? The indicator in the to right corner might say I have 8000 troops but when I muster them I only have around 7000. Then when I’m on the war screen and it shows the total troops on each side it doesn’t seem to include hired mercenaries. Makes it pretty easy to accidentally end up in a war you can’t win.

Tangentially related, is the Ally AI supposed to be horrible? I control Ireland and Scotland and was going into a war with England alongside my ally the HRE and his 20k troops, dwarfing England’s 8k, but they came over in stacks of 3k and each got shredded by England’s 8k stack. I eventually won the war anyway but it took several years longer than it needed to.

Excelzior
Jun 24, 2013

Jarvisi posted:

What other unique buildings are in the game? Egypt has the pyramids which give some pretty nice bonuses to own.

The wiki has a list at the bottom of the "barony" page

https://ck3.paradoxwikis.com/Barony

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.

Reveilled posted:

When you convert, you have to pay piety for every doctrine in the new faith which is different from the old faith. If you're a christian, lots of hellenism's doctrines are different from yours, and then the cost is multiplied by something ridiculous because you're converting from Christian to pagan, converting from organised to unreformed and converting to a faith that has no counties. We can't do anything about the last one, but we can remove problems 1 and 2 using existing faiths, and further reduce the cost by getting our doctrines close to Hellenism.

So what you probably want to do as an intermediate step is convert to an unreformed pagan faith that does exist, with similar doctrines. Something like Kordofan (the ancient egyptian religion which is still around in Nubia at the game's start). The trick here would be getting a kid who is Kordofan by faith, but you can probably do that by getting a kordofan vassal or lover and having them educate the kid (I'm not 100% certain this works if the pagan guardian is unreformed, haven't tried).

You could also go through a gradual reform process where you keep making new christian faiths which are progressively more and more like Hellenism until you're basically just switching the name and family.

The other option is to start Kordofan and slowly conquer the Greek holy site while working towards conversion to Hellenism. I might try that. Carthage and Alexandria are holy site for some reason.

Hyper Crab Tank
Feb 10, 2014

The 16-bit retro-future of crustacean-based transportation
I know this sounds like a weird problem to have, but I'm drowning in Prestige I don't know how to spend. I've maxed out all available men-at-arms regiments, I'm still working on getting all the science so I can feudalize, and I'm sitting on 6500 prestige (and some 20 titles I could make for even more prestige), and I just don't know what to spend it on. Recruit knights? I already have like 15 good ones. Are there any good prestige dumps? I've already done subjugation and kingdom conquering with this ruler.

Davincie
Jul 7, 2008

im done for now. first try so i didn't get everything, all the steppe areas suck rear end to conquer anyway






a big reason for gavelkind is probably the ai falling apart at the slightest push. you still get a bunch of rebellions with primogeniture to slow you down a bit (at one point i had a dozen kingdoms split off) but those losses can be recovered easily. some other thoughts:

-tree wise military is worthless once you get past early game the thing slowing you down isn't your military strength but how much your vassals like you and how many casus belli you can get. even better then casus belli however, is just taking over nations non violently. abduct a ruler, convert him to your religion and use the offer vassalization bonus from the middle diplomacy tree to non violently absorb any nation that isn't big. the other big obstacle is that huge late game armies will likely send you into insta debt, hard to stop

-once you get big warfare is extremely tedious solely due to muster time, it takes forever, i often just declared on 5-6 nations at a time and rolled over one by one, the ai isn't quick enough at capping, and they'll likely go for the same targets too, to resist most of the time. for tedium reasons i just started accepting any non independence peasant revolt, the mustering costs me more money then the loss in control. the game desperately needs a way to just only deploy like 10k troops, i don't need all 100k for every conquest. never need that much really. world conquest is a lot easier/more fun then ck2 though. easier at times and significantly less tedious then eu4

-after a while i just had too many vassals to get under the limit unless i carefully redistributed after every war, i didn't bother and didn't need to

-you can get almost all other cultures tech by just spreading yours to their area. at least one needed a decision you can't get as an outsider, i didn't get enough indian greek land for 2 of the indian tech maybe they do too.

-don't build baronies in your land, income wise its better then cities (oddly enough) but low nobles don't gently caress so unless you want to control every single one personally you will get a popup every so often about them going back to your control, very annoying. build churches, they give piety!

-it would be really nice if special buildings were easy to find somehow

-all the byzantine/roman events are recycled from ck2, only give prestige

-you can call in dynasty members for renown, don't do that, the trees are very strong

-there is no look at the map or history page when you win for anything except your ruler, major shame

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a fatguy baldspot
Aug 29, 2018

Randarkman posted:

I was running an observer game to check out the effects of a tweak I made to an event, and this couple in Germany caught my eye...



And yes, they've got children. Two sons.



Lmao

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