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SerialKilldeer posted:Similarly for computer science and engineering, as a lot of papers cite the R packages that they use for statistical analysis. Considering it's tweeted by a Quillette editor, "humanities" probably means "stuff I don't like because it's too social-justice-y" and "social sciences" probably means "stuff I like because they ask cutting-edge questions like 'what if racism is good'"
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dr_rat posted:Wait the alien language was just confusing graphs all along? 
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vyelkin posted:Considering it's tweeted by a Quillette editor, "humanities" probably means "stuff I don't like because it's too social-justice-y" and "social sciences" probably means "stuff I like because they ask cutting-edge questions like 'what if racism is good'" Don't worry, they'll just never provide any details, and leave it to the imagination of their
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ikanreed posted:Also, lol, a graph with literally no sources. Completely unquestioned by any twitter comments. This is my fault for not additionally screencapping the image, which does have a source, Twitter just crops it in the embed: 
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Am I crazy but... Doesn't it make sense that humanities papers would mostly cite humanities papers? I'm trying to think how referencing a paper about geology, chemistry, engineering etc. would provide illumination to discussions of art or literature... History, I could see.
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Depends on what they mean by "humanities." If it's, like, Shakespeare criticism, then you wouldn't expect citations from the sciences. Whereas philosophy would have some links to math and physics, linguistics would link to brain sciences among other things, and so on. I'd also expect to see at least a few links between social sciences and biology. Biology also seems to be very poorly linked to the medical fields, which seems like a more interesting and concerning takeaway point than "lol humanities is dumb."
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Digital humanities is big and growing, so you'd expect to see some computer science citations. Maybe 2010 is old enough that the links weren't that strong yet.
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Actually I now remember citing some pigment chemistry paper while writing an essay about Islamic calligraphy, so that's an example right there! I should probably be deported for even taking that class though, I'm certain, how unAmerican of me
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OTOH maybe we should be glad some of the fields aren't trying to interact with each other https://twitter.com/yellingatwind/status/1301700119419432960
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Physicists need to be encouraged to spend their time on physics and stay the gently caress away from everything else.
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morallyobjected posted:OTOH maybe we should be glad some of the fields aren't trying to interact with each other First, we modeled the spherical students in a vacuum,
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A student at rest tends to stay at rest unless acted upon by an outside force to PARTY
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Physicists who think other sciences are as uncomplicated as their own should be guillotined along with the economists. Seriously, there is an epidemic of idiots with simplistic models trying to "solve" other sciences. I remember the model of language change that didn't take geography into account, leading to a 300 year journey from Norway to Iceland along with other less obvious dumb poo poo. Also it didn't take into account that empires and the like have been a thing, leading to since interesting results ...Everywhere in the world except possibly Polynesia.
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morallyobjected posted:OTOH maybe we should be glad some of the fields aren't trying to interact with each other i mean that's less "different fields shouldn't interact with each other" and more "there should be a lot more focus on fields working together so that a pair of physicists don't think epidemiology is easy enough to pick up as a weekend project, endangering thousands" also love the framing that it's the children who are primarily at fault as if it was a given that they should ignore the adults telling them that it's time to return to normal. yeah you can go back to campus in crowded classrooms (and have to or get in further debt) and also return to living on campus with roommates, but don't go to any events
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ultrafilter posted:Physicists need to be encouraged to spend their time on physics and stay the gently caress away from everything else. Also engineers need to be encouraged to construct contraptions that will detect them typing any sentence beginning with "as an engineer, I..." and smash their typing fingers with a mallet As an engineer myself, I just see far too many colleagues spouting off about things they know dick-all about and it's embarasSHDFRVSDGRGSCS
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I'm much less bothered by physicists taking on an epidemiological study for a laugh than a university trusting an epidemiological study made by physicists having a laugh.
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Doc Hawkins posted:I'm much less bothered by physicists taking on an epidemiological study for a laugh than a university trusting an epidemiological study made by physicists having a laugh. This is the real issue. If you want to dip your toes into a new field then power to you: it's good self-improvement, and lots of fields are insular and can benefit from fresh ideas. But nobody in a position of authority should implement such notions in a way that could affect people's lives, that is straight negligence.
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BonHair posted:the model of language change that didn't take geography into account, leading to a 300 year journey from Norway to Iceland along with other less obvious dumb poo poo. Also it didn't take into account that empires and the like have been a thing, leading to since interesting results ...Everywhere in the world except possibly Polynesia. Link please? That sounds interesting/infuriating.
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Phy posted:Also engineers need to be encouraged to construct contraptions that will detect them typing any sentence beginning with "as an engineer, I..." and smash their typing fingers with a mallet SMASH
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Phy posted:Also engineers need to be encouraged to construct contraptions that will detect them typing any sentence beginning with "as an engineer, I..." and smash their typing fingers with a mallet You included "myself" in there, you clearly built this poorly and have nobody to blame but yourself. 
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SerialKilldeer posted:Link please? That sounds interesting/infuriating. It was a presentation unfortunately. The guy presenting it was politely taken down with very obvious points about Rome and mountains. I think he left rather embarrassed at least.
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BonHair posted:Physicists who think other sciences are as uncomplicated as their own should be guillotined along with the economists. Seriously, there is an epidemic of idiots with simplistic models trying to "solve" other sciences. I remember the model of language change that didn't take geography into account, leading to a 300 year journey from Norway to Iceland along with other less obvious dumb poo poo. Also it didn't take into account that empires and the like have been a thing, leading to since interesting results ...Everywhere in the world except possibly Polynesia. Look those are all just complicating factors, for this study we can just assume that humans are frictionless spheres on a featureless plain.
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The Cheshire Cat posted:Look those are all just complicating factors, for this study we can just assume that humans are frictionless spheres on a featureless plain. So it would have worked in Ohio?
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Absurd Alhazred posted:This is my fault for not additionally screencapping the image, which does have a source, Twitter just crops it in the embed: Wow, what a rabbit hole. That citation cites another source that cites another source eventually, eventually there's an organization called "sci-tech strategies" that has numerous papers that deal with the overall question of knowledge connectivity in science, and none of their papers I can find is the original source of that specific image. They're just cited generally as "Mapofscience.com" I read as many of their papers that are about maps of science as I could get from their publication list. Suffice it to say, the driving factor here is that humanties papers are very rarely published in science journals that they use for their sources. The end. That's it. That's the whole story.
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ikanreed posted:Wow, what a rabbit hole. That citation cites another source that cites another source eventually, eventually there's an organization called "sci-tech strategies" that has numerous papers that deal with the overall question of knowledge connectivity in science, and none of their papers I can find is the original source of that specific image. They're just cited generally as "Mapofscience.com" I read as many of their papers that are about maps of science as I could get from their publication list. LOL, owned.
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Nah, man, I loving love reading science papers that I have no use for. Scihub rips
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ikanreed posted:Nah, man, I loving love reading science papers that I have no use for. Scihub rips To be clear, I was suggesting that you have owned Dr. EvoCaliper by actually looking into the reference.
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Phy posted:So it would have worked in Ohio? 
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Phy posted:So it would have worked in Ohio? Kansas.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:To be clear, I was suggesting that you have owned Dr. EvoCaliper by actually looking into the reference. Turns out he gets to keep his six figure job spewing hate from a major publication no matter how many times he's wrong. So I guess I am the one who's owned.
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ikanreed posted:Turns out he gets to keep his six figure job spewing hate from a major publication no matter how many times he's wrong. So I guess I am the one who's owned.  Although... Quillette? Major? I don't know about that.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:
1.7 million hits per month isn't huge but it's more than a race bait rag deserves by about 6 orders of magnitude.
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I liked this and I am sad it got lost in physics chat and ignored.
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ikanreed posted:Liking that geology doesn't connect at all to chemistry. Definitely a sign that this graph is meaningful and useful. What are rocks? Where do they come from? We just don’t know. vyelkin posted:To be mildly fair to them, they were never told it was a return to normal. Illinois says all gatherings over 50 people are still illegal so all classrooms are capped at 49 students plus one instructor, and it seems like classrooms are operating at way below capacity--like six people in a classroom that normally seats 30, or 30 in a classroom that normally seats 300. Illinois also supposedly has some super-advanced testing thing that's like 2% of all national testing every day and students have to go spit in a tube twice a week to be able to enter campus buildings. It's very much not returning to normal in crowded classrooms, though you can obviously respond that if these are the restrictions required to resume in-person instruction and the system breaks down if a single frat hosts a rager, then maybe just tell everyone to stay home and don't do in-person instruction? Don’t worry. My BAC is only 0.07999%.
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 This is cool, but blame Reddit for the sizing problems!
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Erainor posted:
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The bigger issue is just having humanities a sliver of that chart when it requires its own separate chart also the phrenology thing
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