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Panfilo posted:Plus, it's a little hypocritical of Butcher. If being a supe was so corrupting then by his own admission he just signed his death warrant. Well, yeah... That was the plot...
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Sep 8, 2020 05:00
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If Stormfront survives the entire season I’ll be pretty bummed.
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Sep 8, 2020 05:10
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Bust Rodd posted:If Stormfront survives the entire season I’ll be pretty bummed. Yeah... If this season had been written in Summer 2020 she'd be getting kaboomed this season for sure, but I suspect she'll be a terror all season long and her comeuppance will be a tease for Season 3
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Sep 8, 2020 05:18
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How Wonderful! posted:I'm surprised and embarrassed that I somehow didn't know this, I apologize for the terminology gently caress-up and thank you for mentioning it. I'm more used to seeing intersex these days anyway so I don't know what was going on in my head. It’s still the term used in botany and zoology, so it remains in regular use. That’s often why people don’t realize its fallen out of favor referring to humans. (Yes I see the username combo too.)
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Sep 8, 2020 05:46
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Bust Rodd posted:If Stormfront survives the entire season I’ll be pretty bummed. Me too. I guess the only consolation is that’s she’s definitely gonna get killed sooner or later.
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Sep 8, 2020 06:38
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actually being from Portland adds an extra level of horror to Stormfront's character because I see people like her every loving day. I'm loving this season so far, and the only downside for me is that now these alt-reich assholes have a hot pop culture character to resonate with. ugh.
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Sep 8, 2020 08:28
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There's already Stormfront Halloween costumes available online, but nothing as glorious as the Spirit Halloween Homelander:
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Sep 8, 2020 08:42
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It legit looks like it’s made of wrapping paper.
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Sep 8, 2020 10:07
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Looks like you'll have to provide your own muscles
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Sep 8, 2020 10:20
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Bro Dad posted:There's already Stormfront Halloween costumes available online, but nothing as glorious as the Spirit Halloween Homelander: This one seems to be more authentic. https://www.simcosplay.com/homelander-the-seven-cosplay-costume-the-boys-s1-costume-top-level.html  You just know people are gonna buy that costume and wear it for Halloween, too. Gonz fucked around with this message at 10:37 on Sep 8, 2020 |
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Sep 8, 2020 10:35
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Gonz posted:This one seems to be more authentic. Yeah this was the site selling Stormfront costumes so have a another Spirit Halloween spandex trashbag instead: 
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Sep 8, 2020 10:46
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Bro Dad posted:Yeah this was the site selling Stormfront costumes It’s like a dollar store Peter Pan costume.
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Sep 8, 2020 10:47
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Gonz posted:You just know people are gonna buy that costume and wear it for Halloween, too. Well, it is tradition to dress up as monsters on Halloween, isn’t it? 
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Sep 8, 2020 11:17
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Bro Dad posted:Yeah this was the site selling Stormfront costumes I mean, this is perfect to channel your inner Deep.
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Sep 8, 2020 11:21
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:They have GOT to be trolling you, what the hell! She's coded alt-right pretty hard. Confirmation bias is a hell of a thing. When I saw the Stormfront scene with Homelander and Maeve in a trailer before, I made the presumption that the name was an intentional red herring. It seemed too on the nose. I decided that her character was supposed to be commentary on Corporate pivots, and that she was the embodiment of soulless 'Woke Capitalism' corporate response. And I think they kept it ambiguous at the beginning intentionally. Portland is obviously a land of contrast and so she could be either direction as long as she's far. Starlight should be a darling to the right leaning and what must have been slut shaming of her costume could easily be interpreted as frustration with exploitation. The 'I don't care what sex you are, but shouldnt we do our jobs the best we can' comment is antithetical to both Neoconservative platform traditonal family roles and Nazi doctrine eschewing careers for women in favor of child rearing for the state. Barbie isn't a bad word to a conservative or a Nazi, right? My theory is that she was designed to be intentionally ambiguous for some deeper story or illustrative purpose what would have revealed her much later as 'duh she's racist her name is Stormfront' reverse red herring. But either too much ambiguousness drove the audience to confusion or confirmation bias that it left testers/the writing room unsatisfied or they just cut the thread for any other kind of reason (congestion or changing political environment) and unburied the lede. My only real support for this is how confident people have demonstrated being on completely opposite assumptions, what seems like intentional ambiguity early on, and the fact that the hard reveal was all done in scenes that that could have been easily added in post--things that don't affect previous or future dialog in significant ways and don't require rewrites to move around from a later point to an earlier point.
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Sep 8, 2020 11:28
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Although this season has been good so far, I have to say I don't think they've sold Giancarlo Esposito's character. I realize Homelander has all these sorts of dependency issues and thinks he needs Vought, but I mean he ended up killing Madeline Stillwell who was way more important to him, so I don't quite get why the gently caress he stands there listening to the CEO just berate him and say Vought doesn't need him. Granted he basically comes to the conclusion that he doesn't need Vought in episode 3, but they clearly tried to make Giancarlo intimidating in that initial stand-off and I did not buy why Homerlander didn't just immediately vapourize the guy at all. Edit: I'm keeping the Homerlander typo Hakkesshu fucked around with this message at 12:40 on Sep 8, 2020 |
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Sep 8, 2020 12:36
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Because every square inch of Vought tower is under surveillance, and Homelander can’t smooth talk his way out of 40 security camera videos of him murdering an old man. Also for anyone not clued in, Stormfront’s being an Oregonian is key because Oregon, not surprisingly, was originally settled by Southern white supremacists who believed that white people needed a land all their own, away from freemen and Natives, and the encroachment of immigration. It was basically supposed to be a White Nationalist paradise, and every racist cuckoo in the country knows it, so that’s why Portland in particular is kind of a national flashpoint in these current protests. The Portland PD is probably, conservative guess, 90% white supremacists at least. Here’s an absolutely awesome podcast about the settling of Oregon by racist idiots https://www.iheart.com/podcast/105-behind-the-bastards-29236323/episode/part-one-oregon-is-a-bastard-30217960/
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Sep 8, 2020 12:48
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Bust Rodd posted:Because every square inch of Vought tower is under surveillance, and Homelander can’t smooth talk his way out of 40 security camera videos of him murdering an old man. Why would he need to, though? Those videos probably aren't going to be made public, and it would be easier for them to simply install a new CEO rather than villify superheroes, which would break their entire business model.
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Sep 8, 2020 13:00
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Homelander benefits immeasurably from the Voight structure. Homelander doesn't just want to rule, but he wants to have people love and respect him in the process. Look at how he's trying to be some weird ideal of the perfect father - Homelander wants to be a patriarch, not a tyrant. Homelander likes exerting power and getting away with it. With Voight, he has underlings around and, presumably, nice legal contracts that allow him to maim people (such as the blind superhero) and get away with it. Without that, sure, he might get to be the King of the World, but he'd lose so much of what he enjoys. And that's not to say that Voight might have some way of dealing with him if he goes rogue, whether he knows that or not.Hakkesshu posted:Why would he need to, though? Those videos probably aren't going to be made public, and it would be easier for them to simply install a new CEO rather than villify superheroes, which would break their entire business model. The Compound V business model could never be broken. The world would very happily throw a superhero under the bus if there was the ability to create more of them on demand. He'd just be a failed prototype.
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Sep 8, 2020 13:59
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Yeah Homelander’s pathos of “I’m an unkillable god of death but I just want a mommy and a daddy who love me and tell me I’m a good boy” is such a perfect send up of the modern online incel ideaology, the difference being that Homelander is actually a perfect Chad elite T1 Operator and it’s still not enough to make people love him.
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Sep 8, 2020 14:07
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Bust Rodd posted:Because every square inch of Vought tower is under surveillance, and Homelander can’t smooth talk his way out of 40 security camera videos of him murdering an old man. Totally did not know that. Thanks a lot! 
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Sep 8, 2020 14:17
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Homelander and Maeve's discussion in the hallway of the active shooter (the one that homelander punches in the heart) basically addresses this on the nose. He even talks about how close Edgar is to death. Maeve says it's because he signs the checks and that's true, but "checks" isn't just money and extends to the entire "gig" that homey gets through Bought. He's not an out there deranged supervillain (yet), he still to some degree sees himself as The World's Greatest Superhero, Leader of the Seven, Saviour of America and Vought helps him believe his own lie E: Bought was a typo but I dig it in context
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Sep 8, 2020 14:24
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Bust Rodd posted:Yeah Homelander’s pathos of “I’m an unkillable god of death but I just want a mommy and a daddy who love me and tell me I’m a good boy” is such a perfect send up of the modern online incel ideaology, the difference being that Homelander is actually a perfect Chad elite T1 Operator and it’s still not enough to make people love him. Homelander Is not even as competent as the standard DC/MCU super. He doesn't have proper training outside of marketing, he has not faced any real villain that he was not dwarfing massively. Same goes for the other supes (in the comic there are villains, but they also work for Vought, it's basically wrestling kayfabe). He is smarter than his comic version, but he still fails to save the people on the plane, for example (comic version tries to steer the falling plane upwards and ends up breaking the plane in half, while the series version knows that if he attempts to do it, that's the result).
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Sep 8, 2020 14:29
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BurritoJustice posted:Homelander and Maeve's discussion in the hallway of the active shooter (the one that homelander punches in the heart) basically addresses this on the nose. He even talks about how close Edgar is to death. Maeve says it's because he signs the checks and that's true, but "checks" isn't just money and extends to the entire "gig" that homey gets through Bought.  The money and fame are linked with both of them being supplied by Vought. And Homelander needs his fix.
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Sep 8, 2020 15:53
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That Italian Guy posted:Homelander Is not even as competent as the standard DC/MCU super. He doesn't have proper training outside of marketing, he has not faced any real villain that he was not dwarfing massively. Same goes for the other supes (in the comic there are villains, but they also work for Vought, it's basically wrestling kayfabe).
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Sep 8, 2020 16:11
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Starks posted:Overall I thought the first episodes were pretty weak compared to last season but maybe it picks up and that’s why they released the first three at once. It seems like they have no idea what to do with Deep and A-Train but I’ll wait a little longer to judge that part of it. A-Train not ratting Starlight out made no sense imo. S2 first 3 eps spoilers Obviously part of that was just writing for the benefit of Stormfront "getting" to Starlight and having her be empowered but also corrupted, since that's the Stormfront storyline, but A-Train not ratting her out / caving in to Starlight's new-found confidence made sense to me, since A-Train thinks he's dying from heart failure on some level, and therefore is far more vulnerable mentally than some sociopath like Homelander. And there's also the running theme of "these supes ain't all that smart" running through the whole show.
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Sep 8, 2020 16:59
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is it just me or is Erin Moriarty just impossibly perfect?
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Sep 8, 2020 17:05
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A-Train has always been alienated by the Seven. His power is the only one that we've seen other supes have, and it's completely measurable too. All this stuff that drove him in the first season to get cranked up and do Homelander's dirty work is still in play, but now he can't do the things he needs to keep his position anymore, so he knows his days in the Seven are numbered. Since it's been more than 3 days, I'm going to stop using spoiler tags. That's the rule for movies, right? Annie's argument did seem weak to me too, but he's primed for an anti-Seven turn. Trying to stay in the Seven led to him killing his girlfriend and having a heart attack. If I had to guess, Annie is going to turn other Seven members into her agents. Maeve and A-Train are obvious ones. Black Noir and Stormfront are probably company men.
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Sep 8, 2020 17:11
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RYYSZLA posted:is it just me or is Erin Moriarty just impossibly perfect? I liked the montage of her shedding the Starlight costume and just becoming a normal person again.
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Sep 8, 2020 17:20
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PostNouveau posted:
I think she turns heel sooner or later. Superpowers corrupt superly and her position as a supe is incompatible with her opinion of Vought. Meaning I am fully on Team Butcher
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Sep 8, 2020 17:22
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Dropping spoilers too. So do people think Annie was about to kill Hughie before Butcher stepped in? I am genuinely conflicted on what I think was happening in that scene.
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Sep 8, 2020 17:27
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Zaphod42 posted:They killed Translucent. The boys are literally the only threat that exists to them at all on the planet. Even if a minor threat, why let that linger? The only reason no one in the scenes at Vought are talking about the Boys is b/c corporate is mostly concerned about the Compound V scandal (as A-Train succulently put it, you don't gently caress with the money)
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Sep 8, 2020 17:27
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Rappaport posted:Dropping spoilers too. I feel like she might have started but stopped before she actually finished it. First 3 episodes were really good. Can’t wait for Friday. I’m also in camp “wish stormfront was more low key racist” like I get what they are going for but I don’t wanna see 5 more episodes of that.
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Sep 8, 2020 17:30
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He was silently telling her to do it so HL didn’t murder both of them, that felt pretty clear to me. But TbH Annie probably would have flashbanged Homie and grabbed hughie like a baby doll and skedaddled
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Sep 8, 2020 17:30
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Bust Rodd posted:He was silently telling her to do it so HL didn’t murder both of them, that felt pretty clear to me. I was rooting for this to happen, but I'm not sure if that was the intent of the series.
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Sep 8, 2020 17:36
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For sure, when they get married Anne's gonna be the one to carry Hughie across the threshold.
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Sep 8, 2020 17:41
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I just don’t see her murdering Hughie, she demonstrated enough “courage in the face of tough odds” last season that I’m not comfortable making her a coward.
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Sep 8, 2020 17:41
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I think she would have killed Hughie if Butcher hadn't stepped in, which will make the voice mail all the more painful when she gets around to hearing it.
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Sep 8, 2020 17:44
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ZearothK posted:I think she would have killed Hughie if Butcher hadn't stepped in, which will make the voice mail all the more painful when she gets around to hearing it. 
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ruddiger posted:I thought he was laughing. I thought the same thing.
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